Crash Diet Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I really laughed when I read "undeniable proof" - where is it? A booklet with 2010-2011 printed on it? Some fanatics need an education. Seriously.i'm not a "fanatic" by your standards, but tell me do you honestly think this is fake?If not, then why are you denied that this is a proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 OK then, why is the copyright from 2010 and 2011 if, as you said, the original copies from 2008 are not sold out?No idea. Explain why would they re-release an album that is not sold out? Do you even know what "first print run" means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Could easily be fake....I wouldn't want a re-release or a remix album anyway. CD has dragged on for 19 years, it's time for the band to do something new. Whether that is new material or material from the cd sessions that has yet to be release, idc, but it makes no sense to remix songs we already have and wait another 4+ years for an album of new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew07 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 the real question is what really stopped this, did the record company not want to fund this release or were they not able to come to terms with axl on it, i cant help feeling like it could be a llittle bit of both haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I really laughed when I read "undeniable proof" - where is it? A booklet with 2010-2011 printed on it? Some fanatics need an education. Seriously.i'm not a "fanatic" by your standards, but tell me do you honestly think this is fake?If not, then why are you denied that this is a proof? I never said it was fake. Troccoli wouldn't fall for that. He's legit unlike some overweight D class former wrestler.To say this is "undeniable proof" is laughable, however, the possibility of a failed re-release has been in the air since 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 3 covers on 2008: FACT.Didn't work out: FACT.2010/2011 re-release: The picture on the OP is a very strong evidence. Add that to the strong rumors back then, the remix album leaks, and the new tour gear related to the alternative artwork (like the Chinese Democracy fist on the piano top, the giant inflatable Mao head and the Red Hand) and I think it's pretty safe to say: FACT.Didn't work out either: FACT.The reason it's all theory is because in reality, it would be a really stupid career decision for the band. Why in the world would you re-release an album that didn't sell as well as you'd hoped? Why would you do a remix of an album that undersold?Anybody with any sense of the music business would have looked at that idea and said "Uhhhh, no way in hell is that a good idea. If you want to strike while the iron's hot, then release a new album."That's why I'm not completely sold that your facts are facts. Surely Beta and her children aren't that ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Maybe the Grenade cover was real but a bootlegger wound up reprinting them. To me it's a lot of work for something that wasn't guaranteed to sell if that's true. The record company wasn't putting any more money or promotion into Chinese Democracy. As far as they were concerned, it was over and done with, move on to Lady Gaga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I really laughed when I read "undeniable proof" - where is it? A booklet with 2010-2011 printed on it? Some fanatics need an education. Seriously.You should run this place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Groghan, back on 2009 before the tour I emailed Brain and asked him if he was going to be with them on Asia. He said that he was not, but he was still working for Axl in a remix album. When Better Gone leaked I emailed him asking about it, and he confirmed it's his. There is a remix album.And you say "Anybody with any sense of the music business would have looked at that idea and said "Uhhhh, no way in hell is that a good idea"Well, does Axl sound to you like someone who has any sense of the music business and how to deal with it? He spent 14 years to release and album that flopped! What about his management team? Five years ago they were cleaning Axl's house and now they're managing Guns N' Roses. They certainly don't have much of a clue how things work either.That's why this whole re-release thing doesn't surprise me at all. Edited July 16, 2013 by ManetsBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) If this is real, this confirms that GN'R were committed to some sort of re-release of cd in 2011. That is about all we can be certain of. So am I the only one that remembers MSL saying Atlas Shrugged would be included? Edited July 16, 2013 by DieselDaisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If this is real, this confirms that GN'R were committed to some sort of re-release of cd in 2011. That is about all we can be certain of.So am I the only one that remembers MSL saying Atlas Shrugged would be included?Maybe as a bonus on Vinyl or something like that? maybe a digital release? The are endless possibilities in the GNR world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I don't remember that, all I remember about Atlas Shrugged is that Ron said recently that before the release he recorded a solo to it, but it was gonna pass the 74 minutes mark, so they removed the song.On one of his recent podcasts with Hitman, MSL confirmed all of this "theory" is truth. When did he ever lie to us? Honestly. I don't wanna appear like a fanboy, but he never lied to us. Guns N' Roses on the other hand...I also remember before the release they revelaed the tracklist, and there was a song called Stardust, which if I'm not mistaken is Street Of Dreams, and Catcher In The Rye was simply Catcher. Edited July 16, 2013 by ManetsBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoM Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It's a fuckin miracle that Chinese Democracy was released in 2008.Look at all that stuff that failed: South American Documentary (2010), re-release of CD with another cover and proper booklet, remixes, DVD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Let's start for the beginning, if they tried to re-release CD in 2011 with a new booklet, remix album, whatever whatever, then why do the actual CD exists? I mean, did they print millions of records again and didn't sell one single copy? Are these copies that Troccoli owns promo CDs? Are those prototypes? If this was supposed to be released with a remix album, where is that album?I believe no one has bothered to ask Troccoli as to how and where did he get those from.Yeah "undeniable proof" everyone. Fuckin' smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.wa.T Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 MSL, he only cupcakes when hes tryin to get stuff to share.That is one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum...you were just kidding right?Other then random trolling, like everyone on the forum does at sometime, yeah. He's admitted to trolling when looking get stuff. You dislike him so much, did you download leaks? or just blow it off as MSL trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeBaZ Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151715577808069&set=a.355783028068.156550.10901008068&type=1&theaterTake 2 - Axl driving his "Chevy Blue" piano in November Rain under the Sound Academy lights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ron said that, regarding the Red Hand booklet, after it's release was cancelled, they sent copies to band members, tour crew, friends etc. Notice that the Red Hand booklet has a copyright from 2009! Not 2008 like the regular booklet, but not 2010 or 2011 either.As for the Grenade booklet, Mr.SoulMonster found two copies of it on his local music shop and sent one to MSL. The vast majority of the Red Hand copies found were found that way: a lost copy among all the other regular booklet versions.I don't know if they printed millions of it, if Axl has boxes full of it somewhere, what we do know is that the first print of Chinese Democracy never sold out, but for some reason they printed alternative versions 1 year later, 2 years later, THREE YEARS LATER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Let's start for the beginning, if they tried to re-release CD in 2011 with a new booklet, remix album, whatever whatever, then why do the actual CD exists? I mean, did they print millions of records again and didn't sell one single copy? Are these copies that Troccoli owns promo CDs? Are those prototypes? If this was supposed to be released with a remix album, where is that album?I believe no one has bothered to ask Troccoli as to how and where did he get those from.Yeah "undeniable proof" everyone. Fuckin' smh.Some good points, some shitty ones. But i thought you didn't care about this band or CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.wa.T Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I don't remember that, all I remember about Atlas Shrugged is that Ron said recently that before the release he recorded a solo to it, but it was gonna pass the 74 minutes mark, so they removed the song.On one of his recent podcasts with Hitman, MSL confirmed all of this "theory" is truth. When did he ever lie to us? Honestly. I don't wanna appear like a fanboy, but he never lied to us. Guns N' Roses on the other hand...I also remember before the release they revelaed the tracklist, and there was a song called Stardust, which if I'm not mistaken is Street Of Dreams, and Catcher In The Rye was simply Catcher.MSl also confirmed that to be true/ the Stardust, Catcher thing. Though its pretty easy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Nash Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ron said that, regarding the Red Hand booklet, after it's release was cancelled, they sent copies to band members, tour crew, friends etc. Notice that the Red Hand booklet has a copyright from 2009! Not 2008 like the regular booklet, but not 2010 or 2011 either.As for the Grenade booklet, Mr.SoulMonster found two copies of it on his local music shop and sent one to MSL. The vast majority of the Red Hand copies found were found that way: a lost copy among all the other regular booklet versions.I don't know if they printed millions of it, if Axl has boxes full of it somewhere, what we do know is that the first print of Chinese Democracy never sold out, but for some reason they printed alternative versions 1 year later, 2 years later, THREE YEARS LATER.Those booklets are real, there's no way someone took the time to make up this thing. Hell, even some of those paintings are in Axl House! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoM Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Ron said that, regarding the Red Hand booklet, after it's release was cancelled, they sent copies to band members, tour crew, friends etc. Notice that the Red Hand booklet has a copyright from 2009! Not 2008 like the regular booklet, but not 2010 or 2011 either.As for the Grenade booklet, Mr.SoulMonster found two copies of it on his local music shop and sent one to MSL. The vast majority of the Red Hand copies found were found that way: a lost copy among all the other regular booklet versions.I don't know if they printed millions of it, if Axl has boxes full of it somewhere, what we do know is that the first print of Chinese Democracy never sold out, but for some reason they printed alternative versions 1 year later, 2 years later, THREE YEARS LATER.Those booklets are real, there's no way someone took the time to make up this thing. Hell, even some of those paintings are in Axl House!Correct, cameltoe from This I Love page could be seen in Axl's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Rose aka God Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 This is the most interesting thing that's happened in about a year....which kind of sucks to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLDEN CAULFIELD Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Fuck man why cant anything go through????KEN MAN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Here is what msl said...A full North American arena tour and Best Buy exclusive reissue of Chinese Democracy would both launch on March 29. (2011)...The album reissue would contain new artwork and a second disc containing bonus material. In addition to remixes of tracks from the album, the bonus disc would contain a new song 'Blood In The Water' as well as a new version of 'Better' featuring DJ Ashba, which would serve as the radio single for the reissue. Edited July 16, 2013 by DieselDaisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I really laughed when I read "undeniable proof" - where is it? A booklet with 2010-2011 printed on it? Some fanatics need an education. Seriously.i'm not a "fanatic" by your standards, but tell me do you honestly think this is fake?If not, then why are you denied that this is a proof? I never said it was fake. Troccoli wouldn't fall for that. He's legit unlike some overweight D class former wrestler.To say this is "undeniable proof" is laughable, however, the possibility of a failed re-release has been in the air since 2011.I see your point nowbut i don't think this is laughable, the possibility has been here since 2011, now here is the proofAs you said troccoli is legit, so this is enough proof for me Edited July 16, 2013 by Crash Diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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