Kurt Cobain's Donkey Kong-like game and skiis for sale.

[ohlovelyrita]

August 30, 2013 -"THIS week Sun+ travels to LA to chat to Nirvana legends Krist Novoselic and Dave Grohl about the 20th anniversary of the band ’ s final studio album In Utero.

Both recall the darkness following the huge success"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/5105034/interview-with-nirvana-about-kurt-kobain-and-album-in-utero.html

Dave Grohl has told The Sun newspaper in the U.K. that he didn't think Nirvana would make another record after Nevermind.

Dave Grohl didn't think Nirvana would make another record after 'Nevermind'. The 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' grunge band had a huge worldwide hit with their second album in 1991, but drummer Dave wasn't sure they would follow it up.

Dave Grohl thought Nirvana would quit after Nevermind

---Try not complain that it's The Sun! It says exclusive interview.

September 2, 2013 http://www.clashmusic.com/features/nirvanas-in-utero-at-20-pat-smear-interview

Axl Rose in link: http://kurt-cobain.rsspump.com/?topic=ketika-kurt-cobain-tirukan-joget-axl-rose&key=20130509022304_2c847bfff49d7c71759ef58242d32f01

I never heard these stories about Kurt. Read them in a chat forum:

"There were numerous reports that Cobain was left brain-damaged
after being found not breathing and slipping into a coma after a
drug overdose in Rome, which had led to the cancellation of the rest
of their European tour. Big money is at stake in any decision on whether or not to cancel a tour, so Cobain must have been in pretty rough shape.
Courtney Love described finding him grey-blue passed out on the floor
and calling an ambulance in Rome, which implies he'd stopped breathing, and it is oxygen deprivation which causes brain damage."

"things to consider :

about a son : documentary with kurt cobain speaking over pictures, footage of his hometown, seattle and olympia. Kurt mentions the ovbious abudcted by alien story, and also as I recall, how he and Courtney would be 'scoring drugs and fucking against buildings in street allies', and he seems more excited about this spoken bit then anything else in the film he sais. That said, while a comment like that could have connection to the whole 'my private idaho' thing, he could also just be a man genuinely excited on the memories of fucking courtney in her visual peek and being high on narcotics at the same whilst having sold a gold record.

other things : where does Tom Grant tie into the CIA theory?

Krist Novoselic : Do you folks beieleve the creepy story of Kurt trying to jump out of the speeding van on an highway exit weeks prior to Cobain's death? This story stems from the awful Charles Cross Corpse , 'heavier than heaven'

and this : A musical hero of Cobain's, Greg Sage, said about him in an interview:[32]
Well, I can’t really speculate other than what he said to me, which was, he wasn’t at all happy about it, success to him seemed like, I think, a brick wall. There was nowhere else to go but down, it was too artificial for him, and he wasn’t an artificial person at all. He was actually, two weeks after he died, he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized.

Originally Posted by datboider

he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized.

Could it be that Cobain was damaged goods and they decided to take him out in spectacular fashion to cash in on his fame and on the publicity surrounding his death? Cobain was surrounded/immersed in the whole
Geffen/CIA milieu which had surrounded the deaths of Sid Vicious and John Lennon, after all.

There were numerous reports that Cobain was left brain-damaged
after being found not breathing and slipping into a coma after a
drug overdose in Rome, which had led to the cancellation of the rest
of their European tour. Big money is at stake in any decision on whether or not to cancel a tour, so Cobain must have been in pretty rough shape.
Courtney Love described finding him grey-blue passed out on the floor
and calling an ambulance in Rome, which implies he'd stopped breathing, and it is oxygen deprivation which causes brain damage.

Quote:

THE ROME OVERDOSE

Could Kurt's drug induced coma in Rome be partly to blame?

Krist Novoselic noticed a change in Kurt after the coma in Rome and wondered if Kurt suffered brain damage. Krist said, "He wouldn't listen to anybody" and continued "he was fucked up". Dylan Carlson also said "He didn't seem as alive. Before he had more to him; after he seemed monochromatic ". (1)

Courtney Love claimed that she and Cobain had once had a huge argument over Cobain's decision to reject a very lucrative offer to play a big outdoor festival called Lollapalooza, but the truth could be that Cobain never fully recovered from his coma and it was realized that he could no longer tour.

Quote:

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April 7th, 1994 Nirvana’s management announced the band were withdrawing from the forthcoming Lollapalooza tour, citing Kurt’s "ill health".

If the real reason for cancelling Lollapalooza had been Cobain's brain damage, then the purported Lollapalooza argument may have never happened. It could be more of Courtney Love's subterfuge, building the story that he was depressed and leaving music.

The picture that I see as possibly accurate is that of a brain damaged Cobain returning from Rome still addicted to heroin ,continuing to use heroin during the following recovery period from the coma, with the combination of heavy drugs and the brain damage rendering him dysfunctional.
The jury might have been out on whether he'd ever recover completely , or if the continued heroin use was slowing his recovery , and whether or not his system could take withdrawal from heroin while he was still recovering from the coma and from the brain damage.

So if the Lollapalooza argument did happen ,it could have been based on Courtney trying to convince a brain-damaged Cobain that he didn't even need to play, that he could just go onstage and fake it, lip-synch etc., and
that all he'd have to do is quit heroin so that he was functional enough to even lip-synch.
Cobain being still so brain damaged that the discussion went nowhere.
Maybe Courtney lost her patience and lost her temper and told him outright then and there that there were people who would make more money on him dead than alive, so he had better start listening up , etc. Not a light threat, given some of the things that she'd likely divulged to him about who she really was, what she'd really been involved with, her family's scary background etc.
Cobain may have replied to the effect he'd rather be dead anyway than have to live with her and listen to her every day, etc.

When that threat didn't work, Courtney and her advisers (family/industry)may have decided that if Cobain stayed high on heroin, he'd never fully recover and there would be no way to assess how permanently damaged he'd been until he got off the heroin, which may be why they arranged a family/group intervention to get Cobain off heroin, where everyone in his life was invited to the home to lay down the law. It was reported that Krist and Dave were brought in to tell Cobain that if he didn't get clean, it was over. No more friendship, no more Nirvana. Courtney Love told him the same. She'd leave him, he'd lose access to his daughter , etc. He was threatened that he'd lose everything basically. His money, his career, his friends , his family, and that everyone in his life and in the industry would make damn sure it all happened if he didn't get clean. Cobain was convinced/compelled to attend a drug detox clinic in Marina Del Ray, a suburb of Los Angeles.

Here is where things get blurry, but we can speculate on what may have happened.

There may have been a plan afoot to have Cobain detoxed and then psychologically evaluated and assessed for brain damage in the hospital attached to the drug detox clinic.

If the verdict came out good, Cobain could be sent back on tour. If the verdict came out bad, Cobain was as good as dead. He was dead weight, and worth more to them dead than alive.

He would become the next Elvis, the next Sid Vicious, the next John Lennon.

Another factor in this could be that Cobain had badly damaged the sales of other rock
music with is campaign against 'hair bands' and 'cock rock' , and was becoming more of a political headache
by the day with his financial support of groups opposed to the Gulf War, allowing them to use his name and
pictures in their literature, etc.
When the initial news broke of Cobain having badly overdosed and having become comatose in Rome, there may have been industry people and pro war people who had half-hoped he'd die, and this may have been the genesis of a plan to do something about him.
The final straw may have been when they realized that he could no longer tour and that he was brain damaged.
The Gus Van Sant film 'Last Days' could be Gus Van Sant's vision of the life which awaited the brain-damaged, narcoleptic, gender-dissociative Cobain if he'd remained alive.

Edited March 4, 2014 by ohlovelyrita

[Aaron_H]

It's very hard to follow how you've posted that there.. All I see is more conspiracy theories.

[dalsh327]

After watching Patty Schemel's documentary, I kind of threw all those conspiracy theories out, except why Kristen Pfaff died 2 months after Kurt did.

[arnold layne]

I swear ohlovelyrita and Ratbrain could be paired up on some Internet dating shit some day.

[wasted]

I think Kurt was a junkie and died a junkie's death. It's a weird take on it, but he just seemed to middle class or educated, there was no ambition or feeling of power that money gave him. It just made it easier to be junkie. He didn't suddenly move to some fancy mansion in LA and hanging out with porn stars at the playboy mansion. If he bought a corvette and partied with Tommy Lee he might have found a sick way to sustain himself. But he lived the same dreary life a guy on welfare would, only with better hotel rooms and rehab. There was no upward mobility or pride in the success.

[dalsh327]

I think Kurt was a junkie and died a junkie's death. It's a weird take on it, but he just seemed to middle class or educated, there was no ambition or feeling of power that money gave him. It just made it easier to be junkie. He didn't suddenly move to some fancy mansion in LA and hanging out with porn stars at the playboy mansion. If he bought a corvette and partied with Tommy Lee he might have found a sick way to sustain himself. But he lived the same dreary life a guy on welfare would, only with better hotel rooms and rehab. There was no upward mobility or pride in the success.

Just because someone becomes famous doesn't mean their demons go away. I think they get motivated by money and dreams of becoming a famous rock star, but once they actually experience it, might be thrilled with what they have to do on their end and the people they have to deal with. I think of it like someone who loved creating art, but they lost the love once they realized they had obligations to fulfill, sometimes not by choice.

He didn't really think it through, he just wanted out at the time, whatever was weighing on his conscience was too much to deal with.

[netcat]

If labels killed all the rock-stars who became useless or unguided, most of them would not make it. I hate to say it but Axl probably is more valuable for the label dead than alive.

As for Kurt, yes he was a junkie, he was unhappy with his career and he was unhappy in his personal life so he had nothing to hold on to

[Dazey]

I didn't bother reading all the original post because not only is the structure nigh on unintelligible but I suspect it's just more conpiricy bullshit.

Also Kurt Cobain was a miserable whining smackhead. That is all!

[Dariablue]

Let me guess this is another one of those "it's all Courtney's fault" posts? Not interested.

[Dazey]

Let me guess this is another one of those "it's all Courtney's fault" posts? Not interested.

No idea to be honest. I'm just wondering where David Icke's involvement lies.

[machinegunner]

I didn't bother reading all the original post because not only is the structure nigh on unintelligible

OP: A date timeline of the events somewhere prominent would help, was trying to figure out how far his death was from the Rome gig, etc.

If the brain damage thing is true that's pretty sad.

[ohlovelyrita]

I wasn't posting the info to highlight conspiracy stories. I saw "Kurt and Courtney" when it came out and heard nothing else. I wasn't of the opinion

Courtney was involved in his death even though he was taking her out of his will. I don't know why he'd kill himself

with a newborn tho. At Kurt's last age, the brain has barely finished developing so people tend to be more impulsive and

combine that with addiction and the result is hopelessness.

Very sad and depressing to think he suffered the public, his own demons, and had a possible damaging event like lack of oxygen to his brain

that meant he might not ever been able to perform again. If only he had better guidance around him. You're either busy living or you're busy dying.

[izzygirl]

Of course it was Courtney.

[wasted]

I think Kurt was a junkie and died a junkie's death. It's a weird take on it, but he just seemed to middle class or educated, there was no ambition or feeling of power that money gave him. It just made it easier to be junkie. He didn't suddenly move to some fancy mansion in LA and hanging out with porn stars at the playboy mansion. If he bought a corvette and partied with Tommy Lee he might have found a sick way to sustain himself. But he lived the same dreary life a guy on welfare would, only with better hotel rooms and rehab. There was no upward mobility or pride in the success.

Just because someone becomes famous doesn't mean their demons go away. I think they get motivated by money and dreams of becoming a famous rock star, but once they actually experience it, might be thrilled with what they have to do on their end and the people they have to deal with. I think of it like someone who loved creating art, but they lost the love once they realized they had obligations to fulfill, sometimes not by choice.

He didn't really think it through, he just wanted out at the time, whatever was weighing on his conscience was too much to deal with.

I think Kurt was a junkie and died a junkie's death. It's a weird take on it, but he just seemed to middle class or educated, there was no ambition or feeling of power that money gave him. It just made it easier to be junkie. He didn't suddenly move to some fancy mansion in LA and hanging out with porn stars at the playboy mansion. If he bought a corvette and partied with Tommy Lee he might have found a sick way to sustain himself. But he lived the same dreary life a guy on welfare would, only with better hotel rooms and rehab. There was no upward mobility or pride in the success.

Just because someone becomes famous doesn't mean their demons go away. I think they get motivated by money and dreams of becoming a famous rock star, but once they actually experience it, might be thrilled with what they have to do on their end and the people they have to deal with. I think of it like someone who loved creating art, but they lost the love once they realized they had obligations to fulfill, sometimes not by choice.

He didn't really think it through, he just wanted out at the time, whatever was weighing on his conscience was too much to deal with.

fuck, ive tried a few times to make a reply but each time i got nothing. I don't really know about why he suicided. i actually don't see how they sold so many records in the first place. what was the differecne between Kurt and Layne Staley or Eddie Vedder, Mark Arm. was their something more fatalistic about kurt from the get go or was he just one of a pack of guys who's shoot heroin for fun?

[Zint]

"Kurt was caring, nice, sweet and a wicked son of a bitch'

Yeah aren't we all...

[Guest Len B'stard]

"Kurt was caring, nice, sweet and a wicked son of a bitch'

Yeah aren't we all...

Out of interest Zint, what was your opinion of Nirvana? I've always got the feeling like you kinda...looked at em with a sort of suspicion maybe? I might be way off the mark. You always seem somewhat...unconvinced in your comments about Cobain/Nirvana. Did you like em? Did you go see any gigs? What do you think about the grunge thing as a whole? What did all the girls and boys from the scene think, what was the consensus?

[Zint]

I think they were pretty good, not a top ten fav or anything.Not a band I would listen to on a regular basis.

That's just personal taste, but, I did think they served their generation well, and I think the way they pissed all over the then-current rock scene was funny as hell, and in most cases, quite deserving. What I'm not convinced of is that that was their intent. I think they just presented themselves as themselves and it struck a chord.

I think the GnR baiting and some of the other shit felt contrived at times, I think they started to roll with the persona that the media was creating for and of them, and I also think Kurt eventually became self-aware of that.

It all started to feel a tad like a puppet show.

I found them overly smug, for a band willing to ride the big industry wave.

I didn't see them live.

I thought about going to the big hockey-arena tour of the band who made fun of bands that play hockey-arena tours ( ), but yeah, decided not to.

I guess I had mixed feelings about them. I liked Nirvana the band, wasn't keen on the image wankery that mucked it up.

It didn't always wash down well as completely sincere to me.

They did have some damn fine songs though.

No one will ever convince me of this "as good as or better than Lennon" shit.

I was given the heads up about Nirvana in the late 80's, before they broke. I drove to my old hometown for a reunion gig of a local band and people were gushing about Nirvana. Same people are hardcore fans to this day. I think they got into it from a "oh thank GOD, we're saved, something decent on the horizon" point of view. I think some just appreciated that they were a damn fine band. They used to go see some of the club gigs and always had great reviews of the show.

I just somehow couldn't muster that level of enthusiasm.

As for grunge itself, I'll do another post.

[Zint]

"Kurt was caring, nice, sweet and a wicked son of a bitch'

Yeah aren't we all...

What do you think about the grunge thing as a whole? What did all the girls and boys from the scene think, what was the consensus?

The grunge thing was pretty cool. I had no qualms with it. I watched the genesis of it play out. Essentially, kids who were bored with the same-ness of Hardcore were branching out, trying new shit, taking more of an interest in their craft and in some cases, actually learning how to play.

The boys and girls from the scene understood that and watched what unfolded with interest. It wasn't hard to spot the crap from the good stuff. Everyone had their own favs. I think no one appreciated the industry milking and homogenizing of yet another good movement, but hey, we've all been through that, so you just ignore the torn lumber jackets for sale on 5th Avenue and concentrate on the music. And there was some damn fine music.

What would become known as "Grunge" was already happening in Canada. We were watching a shift take place from hardcore into excellent bands like these guys in the video below. They were called SLOW, they hailed from Vancouver.

Watch this video, and keep in mind, in the mid 80's, these guys used to cross the bridge and go play gigs in..um...what was it called again??..oh yeah, Seattle.

[Angelica]

Of course it was Courtney.

[Randy Lahey]

I didn't even know his name until after he shot himself in the head. To me, Oasis were the best band of the 90's.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Randy Lahey

[ohlovelyrita]

Of course it was Courtney.

I never read his "suicide" note before right now and noticed how the lower case "f"s suddenly tilt right at the end. Possibly the note was a work in progress over time and when he decided to take his own life he just wrote in bigger letters to finish the letter and fill the leftover space. I wonder if he wanted to kill himself after escaping rehab thinking he's never be clean? I never heard before he attempted suicide in Rome only the month before.

From Reddit:

“Kurt was divorcing Courtney”

Kurt during his last few months would occasionally state he wanted to divorce Courtney that is true but these outbursts were drug fueled. He wrote a nasty letter to Dave saying he did not fit in with the band and to Krist that the band was over and he didn’t want him in it. The last thing Kurt ever said to Krist when Krist dropped him off at the seattle airport was “fuck off!” These types of behaviors of tearing apart relationships are common among hardcore drug users and Kurt was cutting off ties with everyone at this time

“Someone used Kurts credit card after he died’

Kurt was doing about $400 worth of heroin a day and he often times owed people money for drugs. He had several dealers come and go at his house and would give them access to his credit cards to pay them back. A dealer or friend who was a woman, used his card shortly after he died not aware that he had passed. If someone was trying to steal money after he died this would be a foolish way as debit and credit card transactions are easily traced and would look extremely suspicious

“Kurt had 3x the lethal dose of heroin in him, he couldn’t have pulled the trigger”

Drug addicts and dealers in Seattle often stated that he was doing more heroin than anyone they had ever seen and his addiction was very strong which sky rocketed his tolerance. Some state that he had no track marks on his arm which may or may not be true but heroin can also be ingested which can take much longer to take effect. The film Kurt and Courtney proved that a person could still survive and function with that amount of heroin in their body.

“There were no finger prints on the trigger”

There were. When the police showed up they had to pry his finger off the trigger which then left a mixed print of the officers and Kurt’s, a print which could not be legible.

“The suicide note was him stating he was leaving the music industry”

Kurt had already written a more suicidal note after his Rome suicide attempt in March of 1994, for this note he wanted it to be more poetic. If he was leaving the industry how would the line “its better to burn out than to fade away” make any sense? If he was quitting he would be fading away from the public eye but if he was going to die he would be burning out and gone right away.

“The writing at the bottom of the note was not Kurt’s handwriting”

Handwriting experts have come to different conclusions, some say that they are not sure if it is Kurt’s and others say it is. Kurt wrote the top part of the note in his house. When he got to the greenhouse he finished the note by filling up the remaining space by writing bigger which makes the handwriting seem different compared to the smaller size of the bulk of the letter.

Reasons for his suicide: Felt loss of creativity, Severe stomach problems, Severe heroin addiction, Bi-polar disorder, Depression, Severe back pains, Booked for 6 months of touring he didn’t want to go on, Strong history of suicide in his family

Peoples feelings of Courtney being a money hungry bitch may be true but this does not make someone a murderer, there is a fine line between a gold digger and a murderer. Kurt’s best friend Dylan Carlson stated that if he thought someone murdered Kurt he would have taken care of (killed) them a long time ago. If Courtney wanted Kurt dead why not just let him O.D himself and not bring him back to life like she did in the several documented times she did. If Courtney had not woken up to find Kurt unconscious in March of 1994 in Rome, which in his hand contained a 3 page suicide note, he would have been dead then. If she woke up and found him and really wanted him dead why not just go back to sleep and pretend she never woke up to find him and then have him kill himself? Seems a lot easier than plotting a murder.

[wasted]

I was watching that Live at Reading show and I've never been able to work them out.

In terms of what they were putting out live they were astonishing. They could write a great song and make a hell of a racket. Was Kurt fresh from rehab for that show? He doesn't seem like he's going to commit suicide ever. But the in jokes about "this is our last show" and "we love you courtney" seem like theres more going on.

I've also seen Live Tonite Sold Out and at this show Kurt looks insane, almost distraught. It's the In Utero show. What did he do to himself, I mean its just him singing and playing guitar, but it's like he's in pain and I don't know what the lyrics are about. I do kind of but they don't seem like specifically meaningful, they are kind of abstract. Was the real problem is that it was really simple, it's just him writing and singing songs and it got so big and they don't know why all they could do is joke about it?

I don't get the relationship of the fans to Kurt and Nirvana either.

[izzygirl]

Of course it was Courtney.

I thought it was pretty clear I was being sarcastic. I need to use more emoticons.

[wasted]

I wouldnt be surprised if Kurt was doing Keisten Pfaff and Courtney murdered them both.

Why do people put Ronyphol is champagne anyway.

[ohlovelyrita]

I wouldnt be surprised if Kurt was doing Keisten Pfaff and Courtney murdered them both.

Why do people put Ronyphol is champagne anyway.

I don't think she is that crazy but probably doesn't want to reveal the turmoil going on at that time. What is this story about the "second note"?

It must have revealed something worth concealing.

http://www.cobaincase.com/

I saw where it seemed Courtney with was all HuffPo with a fake name posting about how much Kurt loved her.

It seems plausible that he was gonna take a break from her but I don't doubt there was still love.

This isn't the profile I mentioned but interesting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Courtney_Love?action=comments