Popular Post John Bonham Posted November 28, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2013 "Axl is exponentially more successful" I was up early this morning, and I took some time to do a little research on YouTube. I wanted to see which Guns N' Roses videos had the most views. I was unsurprised by the results. First, here is the Top Twenty: 01. November Rain (official) 202 million views 02. Don't Cry (official) 101 million views 03. Sweet Child O' Mine (official) 87 million views 04. Paradise City (official) 57 million views 05. Sweet Child O' Mine (official) 51 million views 06. Sweet Child O' Mine (official) 46 million views 07. Knockin' on Heaven's Door (fanmade, classic lineup) 42 million views 08. Patience (official) 40 million views 09. Welcome to the Jungle (official) 37 million views 10. Paradise City (Freddy Mercury tribute) 30 million views 11. Estranged (official video) 26 million views 12. Knockin' on Heaven's Door (Live in Tokyo) 20 million views 13. Knockin' on Heaven's Door (fanmade) 20 million views 14. November Rain (Live wtih Elton John) 18 million views 15. You Could Be Mine (official) 16 million views 16. Civil War (fanmade) 15 million views 17. Knockin' on Heaven's Door (fanmade, classic lineup) 15 million views 18. Since I Don't Have You (official) 15 million views 19. Sweet Child O' Mine (official) 14 million views 20. You Could Be Mine (official) 11 million views ALL feature the Classic Lineup (no surprise), 13/20 are "official videos." 4 are "fan-made," and the other 3 are "official" live videos (Freddy Mercury Tribute, Live in Tokyo DVD, VMAs '92). I had to dig a little deeper to find any evidence of New GN'R on the list. They make their first appearance with a fanmade video of This I Love which has racked-up a respectable 2 million views. But, what about live performances of New GN'R on YouTube? Does the public want to view those? Apparently, yes. The top live video of New GN'R is "Buckethead guitar solo (Live, Rock in Rio)" at 1.5 million views. But, since that video is really just Buckethead solo, I've included the next highest live New GN'R video, Don't Cry (Live in Japan 2007) at 1.5 million views. Not bad. And... This took me a long time, but buried on page 15, the top live video of a New GN'R "original" song: This I Love (Live in Osaka, 2009) at 700 thousand views. Clearly, This I Love is the new band's most popular original. That is a surprise to me. 700 thousand isn't bad for a 4-year-old video, but to compare, the top live video of a Slash "original" is Starlight (Live at Max Sessions, 2010) with 1 million views. So, if we go by YouTube views, Starlight is a more popular song, video, ballad, whatever... than This I Love. Is that a surprise to anyone? Here are some other Slash view-counts: Slash and Myles Kennedy Sweet Child O' Mine (Live at Max Sessions) 23 million views That... Is amazing! 23 million views actually puts Myles Kennedy's "Sweet Child" at #12 on the Guns N' Rose Top Twenty. That's more than You Could Be Mine or Since I Don't Have You. Again, the most views any live video of New GN'R has is "Buckethead guitar solo (Live, Rock in Rio)" at 1.5 million views or Don't Cry (Live in Japan, 2007) at 1.5 million views. So, that is a staggering, staggering disparity. 23 Million for Slash doing "Sweet Child" live, and 1.5 million for New GN'R playing Don't Cry. Kind of punches holes in the whole "Axl is GN'R" theory, doesn't it? A few more... Velvet Revolver - Slither (official) has 10 million views. Velvet Revolver - Fall to Pieces has 7 million views. Slash - By The Sword (official) has 3 million views. Back From Cali (official) has 2.4 million views. Beautiful Dangerous (official) and You're a Lie (official) have 2 million views each. So, even Back From Cali and You're a Lie have EXPONENTIALLY more views than anything New GN'R-related anywhere on YouTube. Considering these numbers, I just can't see how anyone would think that New GN'R is more popular than Slash. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figueredo Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Nice job! Slash has indeed an amazing and popular career post-GNR. Funny things is, he does exactly what any artist do and yet he's considered a "media whore" by some nutjobs around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Actually really interesting. Can't belive you took the time to do that but glad you did. Thanks. I don't know what youtube views tell us other than it's people searching out music by the artists they want to hear. The more people who are interested in said artist or song the more youtube views you'll have. So if videos of Slash's original material as well as his covers of classic GnR material are getting more views it's easy to draw the conclusion that more people want to hear Slash than new GnR. Can't wait to see the Axl minions explain this one. All this nonsense that Axl is Guns N' Roses and that Slash is shit without Axl doesn't seem to be an opinion shared by the masses. Knowing the demographics of who's searching out these videos would be interesting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Come on, The Axl Rose disaster video is pretty popular with 2 millions views... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 23 million for Kennedy's Sweet Child O' Mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Hater alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I didn't know there was any consensus that Axl was doing better in terms of popularity than Slash...I know Chinese Democracy technically "shipped" more units than Slash's multiple works, but the actual sales don't live up to units shipped, right? I just always thought it was a matter of personal opinion.I would rather listen to Chinese Democracy than almost any of Slash's solo work, save for a song or two here and there and maybe certain solos, such as the "Street Child" solo. I find Slash's solo work to be mostly boring and generic. Chinese Democracy was a huge let down for me, but I can see the greatness in it. I agree with Dave Navarro, Chinese Democracy is 70 percent cool and 30 percent weird. I think if it they had went in the direction of Oh My God and Shackler's Revenge, they might have had a blockbuster album by gaining new fans as well as drawing in old fans with the updated, somewhat heavier sound. So, I realize that Slash is the great rock icon in the public's eyes, even today. Axl is only a vague memory of greatness. Therefore, Slash's work is more popular today than Axl's. Slash keeps putting out album after album of his signature sound. He's giving the fans what they want, and you can't ever deny the appeal of straight up rock 'n roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 700 thousand views for This I Love, and 10 million views for Slither.It looks like those "whining, former members are doing pretty well without Axl Rose.That is, if you want to look at this objectively, and just consider facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Not sure about the rest of it but it seems to tell us that November Rain is the pinnacle of success that any band member of GnR has achieved inside and outside of Guns (unless people are viewing it in a omg weren't the 90s hilarious type way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Not sure about the rest of it but it seems to tell us that November Rain is the pinnacle of success that any band member of GnR has achieved inside and outside of Guns (unless people are viewing it in a omg weren't the 90s hilarious type way).Nah November Rain was massive and ina good way. Pretty much from 1991 to oh maybe 2001 it had to be the most popular slow song at highschool dances. 1. it's an amazing song. 2. it's nearly 9 minutes long so it was fantastic for highscool dances haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 YouTube doesn't mean shit, it's record sales that matter. Slash hasn't even hit gold since leaving VR, and VR was pushed to platinum status with Scott Weiland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Slash fans are cheap motherfuckers? That's what I'm gathering from it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figueredo Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 YouTube doesn't mean shit, it's record sales that matter.Welcome to 1995! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 LOL now we know you have no life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 YouTube doesn't mean shit, it's record sales that matter. Slash hasn't even hit gold since leaving VR, and VR was pushed to platinum status with Scott Weiland.Yeah cause music is all about sales. You're such a dumb kid. Yes it's against the rules but I had to say it. Almost every of your interventions are dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Can't wait to see the Axl minions explain this one.They will probably just ignore this thread, or resort to personal attacks against me. That's my prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 YouTube doesn't mean shit, it's record sales that matter. Slash hasn't even hit gold since leaving VR, and VR was pushed to platinum status with Scott Weiland.hahaha You realize Axl has the Guns N' Roses name to boost sales right. I'd love to see your GOD Axl Rose have the fucking balls to release an album without using the GnR name. And whata fucking load of shit saying VR was pushed to platimun thanks to Scott. You and you kliq are fucking insane and dellusional. how do you manage simple day to day life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Oh great, now the U2 fans are coming out to cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bono Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 LOL now we know you have no lifeWay to address the topic you chicken shit. Can't really argue those numbers now can you so you just laugh at the effort someone put into finding them out yet had the numbers shown the opposite you'd praise the person who took the tim to do it.Oh great, now the U2 fans are coming out to cry.You as well. How about you minions addres the topic at hand instead of acting like a bunch of cry babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 LOL now we know you have no lifeWay to address the topic you chicken shit. Can't really argue those numbers now can you so you just laugh at the effort someone put into finding them out yet had the numbers shown the opposite you'd praise the person who took the tim to do it.Oh great, now the U2 fans are coming out to cry.You as well. How about you minions addres the topic at hand instead of acting like a bunch of cry babies.I addressed it on the first page, idiot. Learn how to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) Maybe people are more interested in Slash's current projects than new gnr however November Rain was predominantly an Axl song which i believe he had to push the others to do despite their derision for big ballads. So in the grand picture Axl's muse is the most popular to the tune of 200 million. It seems like he doesn't always get fair credit for that achievement. Slash works hard to promote everything he is involved in which I imagine pays off in things like youtube views (that's not meant as sarcasm just a factual reap what you sow type thing). If Axl took the same attitude things might be skewed differently. Edited November 28, 2013 by alfierose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITG Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I think it's pretty obvious. There has been a longstanding subversive conspiracy against Axl and Nu GN'R by Slash and his cohorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Once again;You guys are more than capable of making your arguments without insulting each other. Both sides of the fence need to stop resorting to name calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) YouTube views do mean something. It's the same as buying the single off iTunes or buying the album or watching the video on MTV. Also, there are people in this thread that are making excuses such as "Well, Axl is only doing worse because he didn't promote his work, whereas Slash works to stay in the media and advertise his material." That's true, but it has no bearing on the discussion at hand. It doesn't matter why Slash is doing better than Axl in terms of public popularity, it just matters that he is. This topic wasn't created so much to argue the reason why but more to show that some of the Axl fans are apparently either uninformed or delusional. The numbers don't lie. and this guy apparently did his research and didn't try to skew the results one way or another to fit his own agenda. EDIT: He seems to have chosen solid comparisons and based his conclusion on a solid number of examples. Of course, who's got the time or nerdiness to actually check his facts? Not me Edited November 28, 2013 by Amish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Those videos have been around forever. It's normal they have more views than a video from 2012 for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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