BOSSY78 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 10 hours ago, downzy said: They don't need this forum's help. The hardcore online fanbase is such a small percentage of fans who buy tickets, merch, and albums that it's really not worth their time to worry about us. It was different ten years ago when they had no real online presence, no fan club, and the hardcore fanbase was needed to push concerts and new material. But we live in a different time when the band is selling almost a quarter of a billion dollars worth of tickets and this forum, the largest by far, may represent 1 percent of concert going fans. We get on average 100k unique visitors a month, which sounds like a lot and I'd wager this is more than all other GNR forums combined. But to put that into context, that's about the same amount of people that attend two (maybe three) GNR concerts. So it is what its. If Duff and Slash had such an issue with TB managing the band, I don't see why they'd rejoin. You might want to first understand what a manager does before attacking Beta or Fernando. Contract negotiations aren't usually done by artist management save for monetary demands and broader terms. Most artists like Axl/GNR would depend on a lawyer or legal team to handle the nitty gritty of contract negotiations. I really don't get this attitude towards TB. They've been with Axl for over two decades and if you think they've kept their heads in the sand not learning anything about the music industry you're nuts. Since TB took over management the band has only released a live DVD and oversaw the biggest tour of 2016. I'm sure mistakes have been made (cough, Nightrain), but let's not gloss over their successes. Not sure if you've met too many A&R guys, but I wouldn't be too worried about insulting them... Well said. It always mind boggles me when people base this forum's members opinions on how most GnR fans think or feel. There are so many out there that have no clue about forums. We represent a big portion but a small drop on a whole here. I know someone at work who is a huge GnR fan but because they don't do the whole online thing he said it took him months to figure out Slash was back. His younger sister bought him tickets to a concert for his birthday. Same thing goes with TB I'd have to say I see the most hate towards them here but I suspect that's because its the biggest fan forum. I assure you there's many in the world who could care less about their management or their lives as long as they get GnR and GnR music etc. My co worker did make me see that maybe some more advertising where those not present on social media/online could be worked on but they're doing well with tickets so I don't think its that big of a deal. At the end of day some still let the issues Axl/Slash etc had over 20 years ago form the opinion of how things must be today still. Where as GnR doesn't need this forum as you said it is home to some of the most dedicated fans and I think they get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post downzy Posted May 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, BOSSY78 said: Where as GnR doesn't need this forum as you said it is home to some of the most dedicated fans and I think they get that. Although limited, any interaction I've ever had with TB has been friendly. They have expressed a lot of understanding for what this forum is and is not. I made it clear from the onset that this forum would never censor any opinion critical of the band, its members, and management. Many might be surprised by this but there was never any pushback on this matter nor has any member connected with the band ever requested any post or opinion be removed or edited. I did commit to cleaning up some of the behavioural abuses in this forum but this was done not to curry favour with TB or the band but for my own personal reasons, which is why we started enforcing the unofficial "don't be a dick" policy a couple of years ago. When I purchased this forum I expected anger and resentment directed my way due to the sheer amount of vitriol and hostility that gets directed towards TB, Axl, and the band in general. But that expectation was never met. They've made it clear that they're interested in doing their own thing and I totally get that considering they see little direct benefit from third-party GNR fan platforms outside of the promotional aspect. I was hoping to explore some possibilities of greater integration between this forum and the band that would hopefully yield tangible benefits to our members but that hope went away after the reunion was announced. The opportunity costs of interacting with an outfit like this isn't worth it when you have multimillion dollar deals and massive world tours to manage. Things might have worked out differently if the 2009-2014 lineup had stayed together but we'll never know. Like I said, I've never really expected anything from the band or management and have always expressed that this forum would help in any way possible to promote what needs to be promoted. If a new album were to come out I'd be more than welcome to do whatever I can to help build awareness and excitement for both the band and the many fans who visit this forum on a regular or infrequent basis. I'm happy to keep this place going for those fans that don't want to pay to join the fan club or find little appeal in other online alternatives. This forum provides an anonymous free platform for GNR fans that welcomes all opinions but expects a baseline of behaviour. So far, with tremendous help and dedication of the staff, it's worked out fairly well. Here's hoping the band and the forum have many years to come. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 11 hours ago, downzy said: What basis are you making the claim that the reunion was going to happen regardless of management? GNR has been managed by some of the most pre-eminent music managers in the industry (including the biggest name in artist management, Irving Azoff), and none of them got Axl to agree to a reunion. I'm not saying that any one person deserves the credit, but to suggest that Duff is solely responsible is absurd. Axl trusts and has a lot of faith in Beta and Fernando. I would suspect that Axl might not have been as agreeable if he had a management team that he felt wasn't working with his best interests in mind. On that basis alone TB deserves a lot of credit if seeing Axl, Slash, and Duff share a stage again was important to you. Anyone could have called Slash for Axl. I think Duff deserves credit for making it happen and Axl's will. He simply wanted to do it. I'm guessing he saw a lucrative offer on the table after Duff was already half on board. I don't believe it was one person that made it happen. It was just the right time and no real better options for all 3 of them imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, Rovim said: Anyone could have called Slash for Axl. I think Duff deserves credit for making it happen and Axl's will. He simply wanted to do it. I'm guessing he saw a lucrative offer on the table after Duff was already half on board. I don't believe it was one person that made it happen. It was just the right time and no real better options for all 3 of them imo. A lot of things had to happen for the reunion to become something real and possible. I could be wrong in my assessment, but I truly believe that if Axl was being managed at the time by someone who he felt was only looking out for themselves (i.e. payday) he'd be less inclined to entertain the option. I believe he's on record in an interview from the past four or five years about being weary of big-league managers or management teams coming in with the intent get the classic lineup back together and make bank. TB has been with him through the thick and thin and have supported whatever he wanted to do at the time. That has to count for something when Axl began entertaining the idea of reforming GNR with Slash and Duff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lassie Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 9:37 PM, Billsfan said: Would you prefer to love and lose, or just never love at all? All right, it's not the same thing but I would rather get new GNR material versus just watching them milk the old songs for the next ten years. Yes sure i would love a album from them, and they still have songs from back then, if they took some songs that never made it out back then, it might even be a great record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shjtjustgotreal Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 downzy you're da man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comboguns Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 if we sum up all the members from the main gnr forums we have a total of 150.000 but 2,1 millions fans attended to the shows. for each 14 gnr fans that attended the shows, there is 1 gnr fan that have an account on this gnr foruns. that proportion means 7%. the other 93% dont have an forum account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PITBOSS Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, comboguns said: if we sum up all the members from the main gnr forums we have a total of 150.000 but 2,1 millions fans attended to the shows. for each 14 gnr fans that attended the shows, there is 1 gnr fan that have an account on this gnr foruns. that proportion means 7%. the other 93% dont have an forum account. #forumlivesmatter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 14 hours ago, PITBOSS said: #forumlivesmatter Haha, out liks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBrownstonex Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Many people have accounts on different forums, many people are inactive. So that math is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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