GNR Women's discussion

[sanity_lost]

5 minutes ago, RooSaa said:

12 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, this is what I make out from the video too. I think Axl was really pissed off, judging from his reaction when Duff sat by him; he immediately got up and it seems like he looked at Duff angrily. Then, when Axl was off stage, Duff went to Slash and told him something (maybe consoling him?). And when Axl came back, he didn't interact with anyone.

This case gets more and more mysterious ... wish we could find someone, who was at the concert and remembered what happened that night ...

I was always a little curious about what happened there, too. Axl did not look happy at all with how quickly he sprang away from Duff. Axl and Slash were both standing at the mike when the video came back from the quick jump. If only the person who recorded the show had either recorded or not cut out those few seconds before the video started again then we might know.

[RooSaa]

New information about our Axl/Slash/Fight case here. The cut in the video, there is  a song missing, they played 'Back off Bitch' after Nightrain ... so it probably has something to do with that song + whom Slash dedicated that song too, which must have upset Axl ...

 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Marc also said that TB intercept absolutely everything, and filter what they want Axl to see. That to me is controlling behaviour 

Edited August 25, 2016 by MillionsOfSpiders

[RooSaa]

So this is the one Song that is missing in the concert-video. Only Audio ... Both Axl and Slash are talking in the beginning, can someone please tell me what they talk about? Cant figure it out, my bad english *lol* Sounds like Axl ask everyone if they wanna play it and Slash is not sure?

But the main-part - where they both stand in front of the mic -  is still missing - the next video the guy uploaded is only women bleed, but he left out the talking.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by RooSaa

[MillionsOfSpiders]

4 hours ago, Padme said:

I saw that picture of Slash and Michelle Young. Any more info about that meeting? Was it at the L.A. shows?

Yes, the second LA show. She had a pic with Duff too  

Edited August 25, 2016 by MillionsOfSpiders

[giuls]

About the Lebeis thing, knowing it started with Beta being a nanny for a man partner's child, a man who is emotionally unstable (we don't know what he has but it's obvious he has something, he flung himself out of a car when one of his friends asked him very gently to apologize and he thought that him misplacing his contact lens was actually a conspiracy against him, like, those aren't the reactions of a healthy man) and finished with her giving him support and becoming the manager of his multimillionare bussiness by giving him an ultimatum about the aforementioned support, i find really difficult not to be suspicious about their motives, i would like to believe for Axl's sake they are really selfless in this, i kinda hope it,  because i get why he clings to them but then but then they do shit like "enemy lists", it doesn't take someone that graduated in psychology to know that this only fuel Axl's paranoia and it doesn't help it at all? Like, i doesn't see how they would think it would help Axl with his feelings of loneliless he complained about, having in front of his eyes a list of people he fighted with, they should have refused to do it and encouraged him to seek help.

 

Let's talk of something less heavy, the "fuck you, Slash/i love you too" case: @RooSaa i tried and basically what i hear, he's Axl wanting to try to play BOB, asking the others if they want to play that, Slash ignoring/not listening (?) because Axl repeat himself, Slash(?) go "what", Axl says it's BOB, Axl insists they got to play it and Slash said someting "fucking gro(?)" something , Axl presents BOB to the public, i guess the important bit may be the one i can't understand 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by giuls

[RooSaa]

12 minutes ago, giuls said:

Let's talk of something less heavy, the "fuck you, Slash/i love you too" case: @RooSaa i tried and basically what i hear, he's Axl wanting to try to play BOB, asking the others if they want to play that, Slash ignoring/not listening (?) because Axl repeat himself, Slash(?) go "what", Axl says it's BOB, Axl insists they got to play it and Slash said someting "fucking gro(?)" something , Axl presents BOB to the public, i guess the important bit may be the one i can't understand 

Thanks for trying one time i hear Slash say 'alright, he said it was okay'', right before they start playing the song, makes me wonder who he was reffering too ... did he ask someone for permission to play it?

Anyway, the most important part is the one after the song, and that part is not there

[cheesecake]

Maybe a good idea to post the video in the DnN board and see if luck has it someone on this forum actually went to the show and was there to witness the incident and can help shed some light to it.

[Lumikki]

@MillionsOfSpiders Thank you for posting that! Marc is basically saying what @killuridols and @Frey said: That Beta shields Axl from everyone and everything according to her own judgement and that she encouraged his hatred of Slash, etc. instead of suggesting healing alternatives, therefore leaving Axl to suffer.

On 25.8.2016 at 2:53 AM, killuridols said:

Duff's casual encounter at that hotel was something that happened out of pure destiny and luck, or else it would have never happened. They also thought Axl wouldn't want to see Duff and kept insisting on Duff to leave, until Axl checked who was making all that noise outside his room, came out and approved to have him come in.

That is just one example of how they think Axl needs this or that, wants this or that, acting like rottweilers, but they are not always on point with what they think Axl needs/wants.

They don't need to do anything evil or movie-like to control someone as vulnerable as Axl. They are already in control of a lot of things Axl is not. A phone call not transfered, a letter not given, a message not delivered, anything can be manipulated towards not having certain people get in touch with him. These subtle little things add up and can work very well towards a goal.

Maybe Axl wants lots of things but he is afraid of asking or doing them. He's insecure at times. He's not confident at times. He's known for asking opinions on lyrics, songs, his own album, etc. to people around him.

One person from his circle that he respects saying certain something is either not good or right for him, I'm pretty sure he will take their word and change his mind on whatever he wanted before.

If he was more independent from the Lebeis, he'd travel alone and do a lot of things on his own. When do you see him not surrounded by a hive of assistants?

The Duff story always gets me. We would all not be here chatting in this thread and enjoying this reunion if Duff hadn't been so stubborn and if Axl hadn't heard him.

And all because TB are convinced they know what is best for Axl, despite the fact that they clearly don't. They go to ridiculous lengths to shield Axl from the outside world and everything they think might upset him (or that goes against their own interests?).

Wasn't one of their ridiculous arguments to keep Duff away from Axl even "You can't go in there, he's naked!" ?

To which Duff replied that he doesn't care and that he has seen Axl naked a million times. Bless Duff and his stubbornness.

Second bolded sentence: Yes, exactly. It's small, subtle things that add up.

Two other examples of TB shielding Axl from reality or manipulating what he gets to hear:

- The incident where Beta lost her shit here on this forum, bitching about how "they'd worked so hard to keep this from Axl and now he knows about it". Unfortunately any traces of this seem to have been erased. But the jokes you still sometimes see about Beta monitoring Axl's internet access started there. I remember lots of people were creeped out by her straight-up admitting that they manipulate what Axl gets to see and what not.

- The Slash at Axl's house incident. I'm not convinced that the exact words Axl/TB released in their press statement are really Slash's, because it doesn't sound like him at all (all that stuff about Axl being victorious in this on-going war between them, etc.). I can believe Slash badmouthing his bandmates to a certain extent (he was pretty frustrated with VR, Scott, etc) and I can believe him making some comments about ending this insanity (or "war"), but not in the way it was presented by TB/Axl. And Slash wasn't talking to Axl, he was talking to Beta, because this is yet another example of TB intercepting someone and keeping them from actually getting to Axl. So who was responsible for probably distorting and twisting (or at least exaggerating) Slash's words? Has to be Beta. And judging by what I've seen her write and say it does sound like her (much more so than it sounds like Slash at least).

On 25.8.2016 at 3:41 AM, killuridols said:

He can pick up the phone and do all of that but these things are not so simple. Remember Axl considers them family and has a high opinion of Beta. If Beta says such and such person are bad, then he will back off from contacting them. Like when Yoda used to tell him who had a "bad aura" (or something of the sort) in the crew and he had to get rid of them. Axl believed that woman and probably have unfairly fired a lot of people. So while he does have the power to pick up a phone or send a message, after he does that, he may have to endure the disapproval of a woman whom he considers his "mother" and that is something hard to deal with.

When you love someone as much as he loves Beta, you dont want to disappoint them or make them upset.

That's why he had no choice other than make her manager when she threatened to abandon him.

That's how awful and sad codependency is

This is probably especially hard for Axl because he has no experience what a normal/functional relationship with a mother is supposed to be like. And it's intensified by the fact that he suffers from that "you are either 100% with me or you're not on my side" thinking that Tracii Guns described for example. He probably struggles with the idea that you can have disagreements and differences of opinion with the people you love and it's okay for that to happen. Disagreements happen in every family, but it shoudn't affect their love for you.

This is actually something I've also heard from foster/adoptive parents who have adopted children that came really abusive home lifes. A lot of these children tend to display the same black and white thinking Axl engages in when it comes to matters of family/friends. Once these children have accepted their original biological family as bad and abusive, they idolize their new family and expect everything to be peaceful and pleasant all of the time. Because they have no experience what a healthy, functioning family is supposed to be like, so they think it must be the exact opposite of their abusive family. And also because things like arguments, yelling, etc. remind them of their previous experiences.

On 25.8.2016 at 3:59 AM, killuridols said:

Although I do agree that such encounters should not happen before a show (it is not the appropiate place and time to talk heavy shit), what rings a bell to me is the similarities among these stories: all of them tried to contact Axl in person by going to a show.

I believe phones exist since... how many decades? fifty, sixty? doesn't matter... the point is, if Duff, Slash and Steven thought the ONLY way to contact Axl was by directly approaching him somewhere, it is because a phone call was not an option for them.

Talks about how much shielded Axl is/was and how everybody in that organization were not helping him get out of that shell by telling him "dude! kill this shit now, talk to them! get rid of the anger, talk it out, solve it!".

No, it was all like "ok Axl, don't deal with your problems, they will get tired and go away soon. Keep harboring hate inside, anger inside, sweep it all under the rug".

That was the approach. Very healthy, indeed.

Yes, it's really worrying that they apparently felt they had no other way to get through to Axl.

Another example is Izzy. Izzy has mentioned periodically calling Axl and leaving messages with his assistant (Or secretary? Either way, I assume he means Beta). But Axl never called back.

Think about it: Every time Izzy called Axl he never actually reached Axl, but only ever someone from TB and then left a mesage for Axl with them.

Who is to say that these messages ever reached Axl? What if Beta just decided (like she and the rest of TB often seem to do) that Izzy calling would also be upsetting to Axl, so she just never mentioned it to him at all?

It's no surprise that Izzy chose to regularly drove by Axl's house to see if he was there in addition to leaving calls (maybe Izzy too suspected that his messages weren't actually reaching Axl). And the one time Izzy finally got a hold of Axl was also pure luck again: Izzy drove by Axl's house again and Axl was there that time and saw him. And just like in the Duff incident, Axl was happy to see him and hugged him.

On 25.8.2016 at 4:15 AM, cheesecake said:

So basically Beta jumped from one nanny post to another nanny post?  j/k 

That's actually quite true, unfortunately. First Alan Niven hired babysitters for Axl (his words, not mine), and after they left Axl got himself an actual babysitter. And if you read what Niven's babysitters had to say (like Craig Duswalt) and watch how Beta treats him now, it becomes apparent that they all treat(ed) him kind of like a child.

On 25.8.2016 at 4:18 AM, killuridols said:

When you do a little research on those pictures posted by models and him on there IG's, they are always thanking either Andrei or one of the Lebeis, so it looks like all of it is arranged by them.

Probably because of their age, they don't know older women who could be a good fit for Axl. It looks like Axl hangs out with what his assistants pick for him and he doesn't go beyond that.

It is always the same kind of women. Never someone slightly different. I find that odd.

I've seen Susan bringing her hot sexy friends to the shows. I had hopes Axl could meet one of those women who are more age appropiate for him than the young models and find an alternative to what he is constantly presented for dinner night after night.

Again, I think it is the problem of being dependend of a reduced circle of people and the people those people like, instead of him exploring new ways of connecting with a different type of woman.

Yes, it's almost like they don't want him to meet anyone who could actually be a good match for Axl. And by bombarding him with 20 year old models they can be sure that he doesn't accidentally meet someone who might peak his interest.

On 25.8.2016 at 4:21 AM, Blackstar said:

Yes, it did.

Marc Canter: "In 2006 I heard the finished and mixed album totally finished with vocals and everything.  This was after the gig at Hard Rock in August and Steven and I both were up in Axl’s room while he was blaring the new album for us.  Steven had originally been thrown out of the gig by Del but Axl was like “Why?  I wanted to talk to him”  so we both were up there enjoying it; it was friendly between Steven and Axl."  

And there was another incident, according to a forum member who had met Axl at a party and had a short conversation with him, with Del intervening and Axl saying something along the lines "no, I want to stay and talk".

On/Off topic: Has anyone watched "Love and Mercy", the biopic about Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys? It's a case like this.

Yes, that was HisRoyalSweetness. Same guy that Axl complained about being lonely to.

Haven't watched it, but I'm going to now lol.

On 25.8.2016 at 4:29 AM, Axl_Fetish said:

There was also a video clip on YouTube from 2014, S. America where Beta basically told some fans to get lost, and Axl (very strongly) intervened... then spoke with the fans for a few minutes.

Yes, exactly. But in the end she still won and made him leave. I remember when that video appeared people were weirded out again about Beta being able to tell Axl what to do like that.

Might be harmless (maybe they were late for the airport or something and she was just trying to get him to hurry up), but it also might be an indication of something more worrying going on.

 

So to sum up:

- We have Marc Canter saying the same things people in this thread have suspected about Beta and TB. And Marc should know better than any of us here.

- Various incidents of TB trying to keep people from getting to Axl directly in person: Duff, Slash, Steven, Izzy probably too...

- Which is something that these people had to resort to in the first place because they apparently couldn't find any other ways to reach Axl.

- Beta admitting that they're actively working to keep things from Axl and throwing a hissy fit when their plans got thwarted.

- Beta pulling that whole shady "Make me and my kids managers or I quit" move. No matter how pure her intentions might have been, I agree with the people who said it was neverthless a shitty thing to do.

- Beta (and Del) trying to get Axl away from fans and trying to tell him what to do (and succeeding in Beta's case).

- TB constantly throwing endless streams of young girls at Axl that Axl doesn't seem to be interested in.

- Izzy leaving messages that probably never reached Axl (Since Axl was so happy to see Izzy in person, one would assume he also might have called him back if he'd actually known about Izzy having called).

- Marc saying Beta never told Axl about his email/the book either, causing trouble between him and Axl. (And also making it more likely Beta also didn't pass on other messages to Axl- like Izzy's for axample.)

- Marc referring to Beta as "controlling" a lot and saying Beta is so controlling as to even make Jarmo delete mentions of Slash and Duff saying nice things about Axl on HTGTH.

- Marc saying TB also have finanical control over Axl.

- The whole suspicious as fuck Slash at Axl's house incident.

- The way TB acted with Duff when he tried to get into Axl's hotel room.

- The way they kept feeding and encouraging his hatred and delusions about Slash, Duff, etc. for years and years (key word: enemy list) instead of suggesting and providing healthier ways for Axl to deal with his issues.

- Beta apparently writes emails with titles like "how to trick Axl" according to the leaked mails (which the Pitman debacle seems to indicate were true).

- Beta and TB side and conspire with people like Doug Goldstein behind Axl's back (see Axl/Goldstein/Beta drama, which supposedly led to Beta being temporarily fired or even kicked out of Axl's house. See also Doug Goldstein's letter to Axl.)

 

And I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting right now. But anyway, it's more than enough to make me suspicious of TB (and everyone else belonging to that entourage).

 

 

Edited November 8, 2016 by Lumikki

[Lumikki]

3 hours ago, RooSaa said:

New information about our Axl/Slash/Fight case here. The cut in the video, there is  a song missing, they played 'Back off Bitch' after Nightrain ... so it probably has something to do with that song + whom Slash dedicated that song too, which must have upset Axl ...

3 hours ago, RooSaa said:

So this is the one Song that is missing in the concert-video. Only Audio ... Both Axl and Slash are talking in the beginning, can someone please tell me what they talk about? Cant figure it out, my bad english *lol* Sounds like Axl ask everyone if they wanna play it and Slash is not sure?

But the main-part - where they both stand in front of the mic -  is still missing - the next video the guy uploaded is already knocking on heavens door.

 

@RooSaa Still out of likes, but thank you for posting that. More great CSI work from you!

I'm really bad at making stuff out from bad audio recordings, but from what I can tell, Axl starts introducing a new song (not BoB):

Axl: "This is song that... Izzy and I started writing in the same night, in different places at the same time (maybe he's talking about 14 years?).... I heard that!"

The "I heard that!" part most likely refers to people in the audience yelling for BoB (Axl reacted the same way to people in the audience screaming for Touch Too Much). This is also supported by the comments on youtube:

"My friends and I had row 40 floors aisle seats for this concert. When the house lights went out to start the show we made a run for the front row without getting caught. My best friend had a bootleg from the 80's with back off bitch on it. I thought this was one of the coolest unreleased GNR songs ever. Between every song we were yelling BACK OFF BITCH!!! and near the end of the set Axle finally heard us!!! That's what you hear in the recording! Thanks for posting this concert!!!"

"I can verify BeegLooU's comments. That was an amazing night. If u remember, I got caught when u ran up for Skid Row. Security said I could stay in 16th row if I stayed sitting (prick). I joined u guys between Skids and GNR. Baz kept telling me to stand up and I kept shaking my head. Haha. Wish there was video!!"

Slash then asks Axl what the people in the audience requested I think ("What have they got?"). Axl tells him and says "You wanna play that? You wanna play that?"

Axl goes on: "I have a really good reason to-" but gets interrupted by Slash saying "Why not?" Then there's some confusion going on with lots of "What?"s thrown around (think I even hear Duff there). Some more inaudible stuff, then Axl asks them "You can wing it?" (I think). Slash also says something about winging it and just throwing it out there for once and just doing it. Axl says something I can't make out and then Slash says something like "Alright, he said it was okay." (Maybe referring to Sorum or someone).

Sooo... basically I think things were still going alright at this point and the key to this mystery really lies in the missing piece of video/audio.

Best guess: After BoB, Slash said something about it, dedicated it someone or something, Axl wasn't really paying attention, but then when it hit him a few moments later, he got pissed, like Frey said.

I also agree with @cheesecake, it would be a good idea to ask about this in D&N. Maybe someone was at that concert and remembers.

 

14 hours ago, stella said:

I don't think that TB are walking around with halos or that they've been awesome in every respect, but I do think they care for Axl - and I also honestly think that if they hadn't been there for him, Axl wouldn't be here today. We can all talk about who should have been there for Axl and talked to him, etc. etc. etc. but the bottom line is that there wasn't anyone else, other than Del, TB, etc. People do the best with what they have, at the time they have it, and I don't think TB want Axl to fail.

That's something that always makes me sad when I think about it. It's true, but I can't help but wish he'd have had different people around who could have been there for him. You know how in the early days of the band they all used to talk about being family and stuff like that? I wish they could have kept it up. Unrealistic, I know, but I'm romantic like that. I wish that instead of TB, Del, etc. Axl would have had Duff, Slash and Izzy to rely on. Or even people like Erin, Shannon Hoon, West Arkeen, etc.

 

1 hour ago, giuls said:

About the Lebeis thing, knowing it started with Beta being a nanny for a man partner's child, a man who is emotionally unstable (we don't know what he has but it's obvious he has something, he flung himself out of a car when one of his friends asked him very gently to apologize and he thought that him misplacing his contact lens was actually a conspiracy against him, like, those aren't the reactions of a healthy man) and finished with her giving him support and becoming the manager of his multimillionare bussiness by giving him an ultimatum about the aforementioned support, i find really difficult not to be suspicious about their motives, i would like to believe for Axl's sake they are really selfless in this, i kinda hope it,  because i get why he clings to them but then but then they do shit like "enemy lists", it doesn't take someone that graduated in psychology to know that this only fuel Axl's paranoia and it doesn't help it at all? Like, i doesn't see how they would think it would help Axl with his feelings of loneliless he complained about, having in front of his eyes a list of people he fighted with, they should have refused to do it and encouraged him to seek help.

Exactly, I very much agree.

 

14 hours ago, Mandy123 said:

thanks for the Sluff shout out @Lumikki!! 

Aww Duff. Like always, trying to keep the peace between everyone. 

You're welcome lol. And yeah, Duff really is such a sweet guy. 

 

13 hours ago, Frey said:

13 hours ago, Jane M. said:

Those journals must have amazing quotes. 

Axl: Izzy on March 29, 1978 while we were jamming at your parents house you said that you were always going to be my friend. That you were always going to be by my side, for better or for worse, it's on my journals. 

Izzy: WTF?!?

"And today Slash said he never liked my white leather pants and jacket! What an asshole! What does he even know? Wearing the same pair of piss-stained jeans day in, day out..."

Axl: And on May 16, 1984 you told me that ass-less leather chaps were a good idea. Why did you do that, when you all hated them and people thought I looked like a biker f**? Even Johnny Thunders said so! It's all your fault, Izzy!

Izzy: Dude, WTF?? That was like 500 years ago! I don't remember ever saying that, and if I did, it was probably just a joke.

Axl: No, because it says here somewhere... *rustling of paper* .... There! Your exact words were-

Izzy: *Hangs up the phone*

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by Lumikki

[MillionsOfSpiders]

@Lumikki There are quite a lot of times Marc mentions how controlling Beta is, from having things deleted from Jarmos GNR forum about Slash and Duff so Axl won't see what they've said (good things) to her role in his fall out with Axl. He emailed her about his book assuming she would tell Axl, she didn't and then he found out in a bit of a shitty way, and they fell out  he said Beta doesn't like him because she thinks he talks shit. It's all there in Canter Banter, very interesting. He uses the word "controlling" an awful lot when it comes to TB and Axl. 

[Słash]

I agree with Lumikki and what others are saying about Beta. 

But that Andrei guy seems the worse out of them all, yeah he is not controlling Axl or anything, but he got access to many things, how is he even related to Beta? 

[RooSaa]

6 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

@RooSaa Still out of likes, but thank you for posting that. More great CSI work from you!

I'm really bad at making stuff out from bad audio recordings, but from what I can tell, Axl starts introducing a new song (not BoB):

Axl: "This is song that... Izzy and I started writing in the same night, in different places at the same time (maybe he's talking about 14 years?).... I heard that!"

The "I heard that!" part most likely refers to people in the audience yelling for BoB (Axl reacted the same way to people in the audience screaming for Touch Too Much). This is also supported by the comments on youtube:

"My friends and I had row 40 floors aisle seats for this concert. When the house lights went out to start the show we made a run for the front row without getting caught. My best friend had a bootleg from the 80's with back off bitch on it. I thought this was one of the coolest unreleased GNR songs ever. Between every song we were yelling BACK OFF BITCH!!! and near the end of the set Axle finally heard us!!! That's what you hear in the recording! Thanks for posting this concert!!!"

"I can verify BeegLooU's comments. That was an amazing night. If u remember, I got caught when u ran up for Skid Row. Security said I could stay in 16th row if I stayed sitting (prick). I joined u guys between Skids and GNR. Baz kept telling me to stand up and I kept shaking my head. Haha. Wish there was video!!"

Slash then asks Axl what the people in the audience requested I think ("What have they got?"). Axl tells him and says "You wanna play that? You wanna play that?"

Axl goes on: "I have a really good reason to-" but gets interrupted by Slash saying "Why not?" Then there's some confusion going on with lots of "What?"s thrown around (think I even hear Duff there). Some more inaudible stuff, then Axl asks them "You can wing it?" (I think). Slash also says something about winging it and just throwing it out there for once and just doing it. Axl says something I can't make out and then Slash says something like "Alright, he said it was okay." (Maybe referring to Sorum or someone).

Sooo... basically I think things were still going alright at this point and the key to this mystery really lies in the missing piece of video/audio.

Best guess: After BoB, Slash said something about it, dedicated it someone or something, Axl wasn't really paying attention, but then when it hit him a few moments later, he got pissed, like Frey said.

I also agree with @cheesecake, it would be a good idea to ask about this in D&N. Maybe someone was at that concert and remembers.

you are welcome Lumikki thank you for writing some of the audio down. I thought it was Slash's voice who said 'i have a really good reason to', because it sounds so Slash-drunkish and Axl interrupted him with another 'you wanna play that' and Slash ask 'What?'  ... but i am probably wrong.

Yeah, the best option right now would really be to find someone who remembers ...

[killuridols]

6 hours ago, stella said:

The things Axl spends money on are things that benefit Axl, or others he cares about. That's not wasted, at least to him. TB is his adopted family; he wants them around. It's far less of a risk for him than it would be to invest millions in composing, recording, releasing and promoting a new album that's going to be pirated five seconds after it's released. He has his reasons for not doing so; and there's nobody here who can say it's because he's lazy. That's a judgment with nothing behind it. None of us know what he's doing when he's not on tour.

From what I've seen at the concerts I've attended in the last few years, for most audience members it IS about the hits.

GnR really wasn't sustaining stadiums on this tour, either. It didn't sell well in some markets and there were a lot of discounts out there. They'll have to move down to arenas. That is where most people are and there's no shame in that.

The pirate thing has been going on for 2 decades I believe... It's nothing new and it's nothing that Axl is not aware of. It is also not something that has prevented artists from making music ever since. New ways have been figured out by different bands and they work.

I honestly don't think money issues are involved in his not releasing of new material and when I said he was just being lazy I was being mean, because that's how I am , but I don't think that either. It is something else.

During the China Exchange conference he was asked about this topic and in a couple times he said he does want to release new material, said he was working on new material and that it is his intention to record more under the GNR name, and as usual, he said "but I don't know if soon is the word". So I think it's clear he does want to expand his catalogue and not just sit on past glories. Money is not an issue for a band like Guns N' Roses and you don't need millions to make a great album or write a great song.

[MillionsOfSpiders]

6 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

I agree with Lumikki and what others are saying about Beta. 

But that Andrei guy seems the worse out of them all, yeah he is not controlling Axl or anything, but he got access to many things, how is he even related to Beta? 

They seem to be friends, I think it's because they're so totally clueless on how to run a band they turned to these people for contacts within the music industry. That's why I think slime balls like him are there. But that's just my opinion. 

Also, Marc said Beta and TB have financial control over Axl too, they pay everyone and blah blah. So they employ all these people! 

Edited August 25, 2016 by MillionsOfSpiders

[giuls]

14 hours ago, Lumikki said:

They had one of their heart to heart talks, which led to them confessing their undying love to each other, which led to them showing each other their love (if ya know what I mean), which led to all the cuddly and lovey-dovey feelings on stage that night  Makes sense, right?

Seems totally legit 

 

And i agree with both @Lumikki and @MillionsOfSpiders they seem VERY controlling of Axl and, as i said before, i find it suspicious.

Edited August 25, 2016 by giuls

[Słash]

3 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

Also, Marc said Beta and TB have financial controller of Axl too, they pay everyone and blah blah. So they employ all these people! 

Thats true, she made more say in what to do in regards with GNR than any NuGNR member.

I guess now when it came to Slash and Duff, there would have been many lawyers involved.

Slash and Duff won't take shit from Beta. 

Over the years if she was a "mother" to him then she should have told him what is the right thing to do and not put negative things in regards to his friends.

Duff is a diplomatic person, but this is why I love him, at least as a friend he wanted the best for Axl. 

[Frey]

Glad to see Mark agrees with me

 

34 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

I agree with Lumikki and what others are saying about Beta. 

But that Andrei guy seems the worse out of them all, yeah he is not controlling Axl or anything, but he got access to many things, how is he even related to Beta? 

Andrei is a friend of Fernando's I think. And Fernando himself comes across like a giant ... , so it doesn't surprise me that he would have friends like that. (Not typing out what I think about Fermanager because I don't want my post to get deleted again.)

31 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They seem to be friends, I think it's because they're so totally clueless on how to run a band they turned to these people for contacts within the music industry. That's why I think slime balls like him are there. But that's just my opinion. 

Also, Marc said Beta and TB have financial control over Axl too, they pay everyone and blah blah. So they employ all these people! 

Is there anything they don't have control over in Axl's life? 

50 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

This is probably especially hard for Axl because he has no experience what a normal/functional relationship with a mother is supposed to be like. And it's intensified by the fact that he suffers from that "you are either 100% with me or you're not on my side" thinking that Tracii Guns described for example. He probably struggles with the idea that you can have disagreements and differences of opinion with the people you love and it's okay for that to happen. Disagreements happen in every family, but it shoudn't affect their love for you.

This is actually something I've also heard from foster/adoptive parents who have adopted children that came really abusive home lifes. A lot of these children tend to display the same black and white thinking Axl engages in when it comes to matters of family/friends. Once these children have accepted their original biological family as bad and abusive, they idolize their new family and expect everything to be peaceful and pleasant all of the time. Because they have no experience what a healthy, functioning family is supposed to be like, so they think it must be the exact opposite of their abusive family. And also because things like arguments, yelling, etc. remind them of their previous experiences.

Axl idolizes Beta too. According to Beta, Axl said to her "I wish you were my mother" or "I wish you had been my mother" or something like that after he'd watched Beta with her own children for a while. And by now no one is even allowed to even come near Holy Mother Beta or Axl will take you down to the pavement (see airport incident).

And on the rare occasions that Beta does something that goes against the idealized image Axl has of her, Axl freaks out. Like when she left him alone at the party in Sweden or when she went behind Axl's back with Doug Goldstein. Axl freaks out, throws a tantrum, even wanted to fire Beta after the Goldstein incident (remember, with the way Axl thinks, Beta was betraying him and he immediately cuts people out of his life if they're not completely 100% on his side about everything). But of course Axl doesn't know how to live without Beta, so nothing ever comes out of Axl's tantrums. He's way too dependent on her.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by Frey

[Italian girl]

35 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They seem to be friends, I think it's because they're so totally clueless on how to run a band they turned to these people for contacts within the music industry. That's why I think slime balls like him are there. But that's just my opinion. 

Also, Marc said Beta and TB have financial control over Axl too, they pay everyone and blah blah. So they employ all these people! 

I hope axl Gets married, makes 5 children and Gets rid of all these lebeis bloodsuckers.

So he'll have his own family and heirs!

[Słash]

8 minutes ago, Frey said:

But of course Axl doesn't know how to live without Beta, so nothing ever comes out of Axl's tantrums. He's way too dependent on her.

 

 

True, he is way too dependent on her for anything, I don't think so he will change now.

Like my Ideal fantasy or even a suggestion to him would be that be with Erin again, treat her little daughter like her own, have a small happy family, if he see's Beta as his mother, its ok, he can meet Beta/Fernando hang out with them, but like divide things.

A person loves his mom and his wife, but he needs to divide time for both of them.

Yeah its Axl life and Axl's money, but as Beta is there since such a long time, I think she also doesn't wants Axl to have a long term relationship cause she would be insecure that the house and other properties might go to the other girl. 

Beta is ok with hookers like Sasha and all cause they are just fuck buddies. 

[SerenityScorp]

All these truths about TB (rather thn Team Brazil, its more like Team Beta) makes Me 

3 minutes ago, Italian girl said:

I hope axl Gets married, makes 5 children and Gets rid of all these lebeis bloodsuckers.

So he'll have his own family and heirs!

This. But I doubt He can if beta still there with Him.

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I wish that instead of TB, Del, etc. Axl would have had Duff, Slash and Izzy to rely on. Or even people like Erin, Shannon Hoon, West Arkeen, etc.

 

 @Lumikki N' This. I wish Sluffizzy didnt leave the Band. I know its hard to deal with Axl since They dont understand Axl. No matter how They try to understand Him, They cant cause They dont have same experience like Axl. Rather than leave maybe The Band could just hiatus or something.

 

Since theres Duff N' Slash now they cant do something like before anymore

I wish Duff could just read this N' help Axl with this (Or Someone could secretly send this truth to Duff)

[Whiskey Rose]

2 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Maybe a good idea to post the video in the DnN board and see if luck has it someone on this forum actually went to the show and was there to witness the incident and can help shed some light to it.

Hmm, I was at this concert but don't remember this incident AT ALL   I'd almost think that the guy who posted the bootleg had the wrong date on it, that it was actually the June 8 concert, but I DO remember those god-awful leggings, so I guess I guess I just have a very very bad memory. 

[killuridols]

17 minutes ago, Frey said:

(Not typing out what I think about Fermanager because I don't want my post to get deleted again.)

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Axl idolizes Beta too. According to Beta, Axl said to her "I wish you were my mother" or "I wish you had been my mother" or something like that after he'd watched Beta with her own children for a while. And by now no one is even allowed to even come near Holy Mother Beta or Axl will take you down to the pavement (see airport incident).

I wish I had studied psychiatry or psychology to be able to understand this "mother" issue.

It is so very interesting. His relationship with his biological mother was so controversial and the one he has with Beta is weird too.

 

 

[SerenityScorp]

Safe to say All the wasted time of GN'R because of TB. Cause Axl even didnt mind to talk with Duff, Adler, Matt, N' I read somewhere I dont remember who but this Girl is one of The Girls of the past. When She try to meet Axl, person from GN'R camp didnt allow Her to meet Axl. But  I think She finally can meet Him.

 

I guess Sebastian Bach is The only Axl's true Friend. Cause I cant even trust Del now 

Edited August 25, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[Asia]

23 hours ago, Frey said:

That MySpace thing is hilarious, but the entire quote is interesting actually:

This rings very true to me. The first thing is definitely true (is that kind of black and white thinking indicative of something?), and I've also always suspected that Axl is actually really fucking insecure and full of anxieties.

 

It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that )

This is what Axl says:

"Fuck you, Slash!"

"I know what that little dedication is about."

"I love you too." (Axl was being sarcastic, because Slash had done something to piss him off.)

 

I'm actually curious about that little incident. Wth is going on there? What did Slash do to piss Axl off? (And what show is that from?)

Please explain this to me, oh wise ladies of the womens' thread

(The end of that video if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about)

 

No, he wasn't being sarcastic. I found this "dedication" Axl was talking about somewhere in an audio clip (there was no video of it). And that little dedication was in fact some kind of appology. Axl was just appreciating the fact that Slash decided to appologize.