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9 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

They obvis have a market team working on these things & will know the sales from 2018 etc if the demand wasnt there they would not be doing this

Yeah. And really. They are set. They get their money either way. It's the promoters risk and they obviously have faith in their drawing power or it wouldn't happen. At those prices, it doesn't matter whether they fill a stadium with 50,000 people with cheaper tickets or with just 30,000 with more expensive ones. The money is there. Also it is only the fos/gc/standing tickets that are overly expensive. 80 for a seat is not that much really, if you like that sort of thing. I personally wouldn't want a seat at a rock concert though.

2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I'm stunned by them, and the decision to take the show to stadiums again....even the same ones in some places! 

 

Well, I was stunned by those prices 3 years ago. But not that they keep them and coming round again. What else are they gonna do?

4 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

 

Not really but you cant take your £££££ with you lifes too short i tell everyone that enjoy life £££££ is no good too you in the floor seen it loads £££££ cant bring you good health seen a few go with Cancer left sooo much in the bank no good too them now

Sure, that is not wrong and also my mindset lately, but that still doesn't want me to get ripped of by GNR and their hanger ons. I intensly dislike getting ripped of. And these prices are a rip off.

How much are Dublin tix? Does anyone with Nightrain know?

Just now, Gavin82 said:

 

I thought they would know more than us tho

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. In this case, they might.

5 minutes ago, SAU3R said:

Eventim Germany has a ticketalarm as well

That goes on rumours and really means nothing.

"Living on a Prayer"

2 hours ago, Amaya said:

I read your point.  However,  It is the entertainer and the personal side and both sides are related. Axl, the Emperor has no clothes  Duff, Slash are not surrounded and cocooned by yes people. They have children, lol. Try getting them to agree to everything you say and do. They have independent music taste and things to work on. Axl only ever had GnR.  They have strong, independent wives, Susan and Meegan.Really,  Izzy made his own life separate since 1990 and even Steve does of ALL people.Now you gotta laugh  there. I saw on his instagram a pic of him and his lovely wife at dinner with another couple. Real world, real kind of normal, typical  thing.

Yeah. Axl has none of that. He lives in his own bubble, far removed from the "real world", unlike Slash and Duff (well, as far as a rockstar can get into the real world). Also Axl has always been the one who was doing things the way that got him criticised the most, unlike Slash and Duff.

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Nobody has mentioned ''giving you shit'' - this is just something you've introduced to the conversation. 

Well, critizing everything he does, which is what we are doing here, is giving someone shit, isn't it?

11 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

Having loving and caring people in your life that speak their minds openly and can give you perspectives, tell you when they think you're wrong, etc. is pure gold, man. You can't buy that.

Does Axl have even one person like that in his life? I doubt it. Lots of Col. Parkers though for sure.

I'm sure though, in their way, TB "does love and care" for Axl. They just take it overboard to the point of viewing everyone else as the enemy and not giving a damn about anyone else.

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

Are you serious?? Yes, look how well that played out for Elvis and Michael

Would you like to live like that?

What? That it's human nature or that it's good that the crazy has been taken out of Axl and he seems more content/less angry and is more reliable when it comes to stuff like getting on stage in time?

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I'm quite certain I wouldn't want somebody crawling up my arse all the time. 

But you probably also wouldn't want to be around people who give you shit all the time and know everything better.

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

The problem with Rose is he likes to associate with people who are up his bum. Elvis had this predilection also, the infamous Memphis Mafia. If you only associate with people up your bum you've all these people sort of circling around you desperate for favours and interpreting your orders. There will be nobody there who can speak the truth. 

Further, I think Rose has been on drugs, downers, since circa. 2010. The change has been so dramatic. When I look at Rose now he looks like a hollowed-out shell. The fire has been extinguished. 

Hmm. Well. Isn't that human nature? Who wants to be criticised all the time for every move you make? Especially people like Axl, Elvis, Michael and so on, who get criticised in the media daily, probably don't want that in their private lives too... and since most people they associate with are on their payroll another human nature kicks in, which makes sure that those people won't risk saying or doing anything that could get them off that payroll.

Oh, well. Some fires need to be extinguished. I don't see that as a bad thing.

2 hours ago, LovelessNL said:

Shit I dont feel the least bit inclined to spend a € on this shit. 4 years ago i was willing to pay up to 300/400€ per ticket to see the reunion. What happened

Go to festivals. A lot cheaper and not directly putting money in their pockets.

4 minutes ago, downzy said:

The question is do Google and Facebook care.  From what I've been told, it's extremely difficult if not impossible for rights holders to speak directly to companies like Google or Facebook.  Most of this is done through algorithms and is automated.  As far as I'm aware there aren't proper channels by which artists and rights holders can work with media platforms to ensure that copyright claims are officially sanctioned, conducted or authorized.  

Again. So you want to tell me there is no override, nothing that a person over at Google or Facebook can do to prevent that from happening and really any lunatic has the free reign to disrupt the business of any band they choose.

9 minutes ago, downzy said:

I don't think they have the ability to stop it.  It was expressed to me that they don't like what's going on, and I do believe them on that front.  It's not ideal for anyone to have what's going on to continue.

But like I said in a previous post, i don't think the motivations by those perpetrating this nonsense is to simply appease TB/GNR.  It's more about fucking over other fans and making it difficult for the community as a whole.  

If that really would be the case, who's to stop any lunatic to totallly disrupt any bands business on any given platform? If I would be crazy enough, I could make it my life's mission that band x doesn't make another cent through Youtube, without anyone able to stop me??? Is that what you want to say?

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't think they support it in the sense of masterminding it or even giving tacit approval to it, but as long as they see no bad things coming out of it they have no incentives to stop it.

They will have to care if the rightsholder has an issue with how their copyrighted material is handled on their platform. GNR is not just anyone. It's a band that just made 500+ mio. $. I'm sure they do have some pull and weight behind their demands.

3 minutes ago, downzy said:

I don't think they have the ability to stop it.  It was expressed to me that they don't like what's going on, and I do believe them on that front.  It's not ideal for anyone to have what's going on to continue.

But like I said in a previous post, i don't think the motivations by those perpetrating this nonsense is to simply appease TB/GNR.  It's more about fucking over other fans and making it difficult for the community as a whole.  

Why not?? As legal rights holder they have the ability to inform Google and Facebook, about who has the authority to claim copyright on their behalf in relation to their copyrighted material. I refuse to believe that some random fan/third party can cause this copyright stir up without the actual copyright holder having a way to put an end to that. And even if that were the case, non of you have been informed that they even tried to stop it, but failed.

6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Because they don't understand the value of live videos on YT. They probably also find some satisfaction knowing it bothers what they consider to be a fringe, extreme part of the fanbase that they have clinched with before. 

So they agree with it and support it, which is my point.

34 minutes ago, downzy said:

I would be careful with the deductions you're making.  Having a wonky or dubious grasp on legal responsibility or liability doesn't necessary equate complicity in the video takedowns.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but here is mine on the matter.  

I truly do not believe that GNR, Universal, or members of GNR management are behind the rash of video takedowns and copyright complaints.  From a financial and PR perspective it would make no sense. 

Then why don't they stop it?? If none of them is behind it/supporting it, then it should be a matter of a couple of calls to put an end to that. But the fact that they don't, but also lump people who merely talk about the leaks into the same category speaks a clear language. They want total control about what is out there and what is talked about.

36 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

So this is the fault of the band? I thought it was just a couple disgruntled losers?

The band stays idly by and does nothing. So yes, it is the fault of the band.

50 minutes ago, fabrph5 said:

so you work NOT to make money?  Every bands goal is to make money.  Only the ones that dont, pretend they dont care  about it

My god man, get your head out of your ass. Nobody is begrudging the band to make money. It's only problematic, when that becomes the only/major directive and everything else be damned..

On 23.11.2019 at 3:11 PM, UcudBmine said:

U2 is shit, sorry.

Plenty of people say the same about GNR. And not only since 2019. So, whatever.

8 hours ago, downzy said:

GNR seems to be on the forefront of having some real pieces of shit as fans.

Or more like GNR seems to be at the forefront of being a real piece of shit as rock band as they let it all happen. They are the ones who clearly want this to happen (and most likely are behind all of it) or otherwise they would do everything in their power to shut those fuckers down, which they easily could by identifying to those outlets who has the power to make copyright claims on their behalf.

8 hours ago, downzy said:

 (GNR management has already expressed to me in writing that our allowance for the discussion of the recent leaks put us in the same legal grounds as those who distributed those leaks). 

Management as in Fernando?? So in other words, he thinks that a unrelated person discussing a recent bank robbery is as bad as the person who actually committed the bank robbery? A unrelated person discussing a recent murder is as bad as the person who committed the murder and will face the same legal punishment? What a douche. And in more other words, it is clearly Guns N' Roses, who is behind and appreciates all take downs, even though they don't have the balls to publicly state that on all of their web presences.

2 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

True that. I'm 5'1 so yeah....always always someone blocking my view! 

Yeah. And nobody says "ban tall people, because they are blocking shorter people's view". They really don't give a shit that they are blocking anybody's view, but get all mad when someone blocks their view.

6 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I think if TB had their way they would wish the fans were just casual fans as their expectations are minimal. But they dont fill the bands pockets like hardcore fans do.

Uhm, well. Actually they do. Out of the 20.000 to 50.000 people attending an arena/stadium gig only a couple 100, maybe a couple thousands (if you extend that term to beyond people bitching on message boards) are hardcore fans.

On 19.11.2019 at 1:11 PM, yourcrazy said:

It’s definitely here to stay. I find it ironic though that Axl started a riot over one guy with a camera and now the entire crowd has one.  I still cannot believe how many people are more concerned with using their cell phones than actually paying attention to the performance.  

Who says that people recording are not paying attention to the performance?? They record it for christ sake. It's a myth to believe that they are not paying attention. I'd wager to say that they pay more attention as the ones not recording, as they watch it back as soon as they get home.