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On 16.1.2020 at 9:59 PM, allwaystired said:

I wouldn't bother with the early entry- unless standing a metre in front of someone who has paid significantly less than you is your thing! 

Well. Standing in front of someone is absolutely my thing. Wouldn't want it any other way. But I'm surely as hell not going to pay twice as much for early entry. And anyone who does is a fucking wanker. Queue up and run if you want to be at the front.

On 11.1.2020 at 12:40 PM, 6lake sa66ath said:

But, this 2020 tour should by rights be counted as an all new tour.. so they'd reset the bean counters for it

Why should it, when the setlist stays the same and there is no new album?

4 hours ago, sofine11 said:

Hi @Fernando

Back in September, in the below Reddit conversation, you said that an album would drop "within the next 6 months".  Is this still the plan?  I'm not sure if you realize, but your comments have spread like wildfire in the online fan communities and we want to know whether we should check our expectations, or whether there is some king of forthcoming release happening "soon".  Regardless, we're looking forward to an exciting 2020 in regard to all things GNR.  Thanks!!
 

 

Why do you need to know? If it comes it comes and if it doesn't it doesn't. You will see either way. Those 6 months are up soon anyway. And when it comes in 9 montha you will see it too. If they are ready to announce something, they will. No need for stupid open letters. And really, someone who is holding their breath for GNR albums in 2020 has different problems.

26 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

I see your point, but there is one thing to note: TRoS is technically the fifth movie of the new era, not third, if you count the spinoffs. If we count them that way, then the pattern still remains of first film making the most, second film making the least, and third film making somewhere in the middle:

Force Awakens - $2.1 billion

Rogue One - $1 billion

Last Jedi - $1.3 billion

A lot dumb people that I know walked into Rogue One thinking they were going to see Episode 8 (some of them were even dumb enough to walk OUT of the movie thinking they had just seen Episode 8!).

LOL yeah. It's time to give it up then. Considering that Rogue and Solo did 1 billion and .4 billion respectivly, which is some ways off from the "proper" Episodes, which all did more, I'm hoping that those are really only the dumb people you know.

6 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

I do see what you mean, but I don’t think it was ever getting to Infinity War, Endgame, Titanic, or Force Awakens numbers (i.e. $2 billion +). 

Yes. Because people realized it was starting to turn to shit. It had all the good will with TFA, even though it being a rehash. Then it disappointed many with TLJ, which halted multiple viewings and it disappointed further with TROS, hence diminishing returns. If Disney had played their cards right, there would have been no reason for it at least to do equal (or better) than TLJ. Traditionally the third one always did better than the second. Doesn't look like that will happen this time.

2 hours ago, appetite4illusions said:

But my instinct would have been to fully embrace Kylo Ren as the villain of the series. He had so much going for him in that capacity by the end of Last Jedi that I really thought you don't need a puppet master character like Snoke or the Emperor - Driver had really and truly grown into the psychology of this broken man.

Agreed. Would have been way better than to turn him into a man-boy who doesn't really know what he wants.

8 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You're missing the point by a wide margin. Here's what actually happened:

People's were discussing seeing the movie again, seeing as they like it. You chimed in and said that people shouldn't see it again because it'll encourage Disney to make more movies you dislike.

I pointed out to you that there are many, many people who like this movie, plus it's not up to you whether people go see a movie or not. 

You responded by saying that people who like the movie must have bad taste, which is ridiculous. You seemed to want to prove that you don't believe other people can have different taste than you. 

You then resorted to using phrases like "offended" and "triggered" because you have no actual argument to support your trolling with. 

No. It encourages them to make movies that are not good.

Obviously it's not up to me whether people throw more money at them or not. If it was, all copies would get burned. But big business shows them, that quality, continuation, creavitity and integrity don't matter and they have a hit either way, because "Oh, it's Star Wars. The movie is crap, but it is Star Wars.". And that is a undisputed fact. As long as their pockets are filled, there is no reason for them to strive for better. And that was my point, to which you injected something that was actually totally beside my point, which makes you the one missing the point.

4 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Dude seriously, knock it off with this crap. I by no means loved the movie - I thought it was okay at best - and even I'm sick of seeing you write stuff about how if someone enjoyed TROS then they must have no taste in movies. If you want to debate the merits and lack thereof in the film then go for it, no one is going to criticize that if you can have reasonable discussion about it. But coming into this thread and saying stuff like that isn't discussion - that's trolling. You're doing it to get a reaction, plain and simple. Turn this the other way around - if I went into the show thread in the GN'R section for one of the gigs you're attending this year and said "Yeah, the band sounds like shit, there's no redeeming factors, and the only people who enjoy the NITL tour are people with no taste in music", how would you react to that? 

I'm sure I read stuff like that on this very forum, when it comes to the current tour, Chinese Democracy, the merits of Axl and the players involved, Steven's skills as a drummer and so on... and sorry, that is my opinion and I will stick with that. And if that opinion triggers some, not really my problem. I don't agree with the opinions that the movie is great. And I'm not the one throwing the "you're aware that there are tons of people out there who genuinely enjoy the movie, right? " around, like if that means anything and makes a shit movie a great movie and to which I've responded.

As for my reaction, A) I wouldn't care and B) for a moment in a low moment, I maybe would check if my assessment of the band is so off and then I probably would go back to A).  I certainly wouldn't send mods on someone who stated his opinion.

Just because there are people who like some shit doesn't mean it's good taste. And obviously because some of you are on the side of liking it, you feel offended by me stating that. How predictable. 

5 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah I had mentioned earlier the rushed production they had and the pacing problems that resulted from it, which I do acknowledge, but that doesn’t mean I dislike the end result. Like I said in my initial review, I think Rise of Skywalker is “a bad movie, but a good Star Wars,” and all I needed it to be in order to like it was a good Star Wars.

Which brings us back to the point that you want to like it because it's Star Wars. Would you go pay the Cinema several times to see a bad movie that doesn't deal with Star Wars?

16 hours ago, downzy said:

Nothing in the OT was original. As you mentioned, Lucas drew heavily from previous filmmakers. The only reason people cared about Star Wars is largely because of the advances in special effects.  This “grand vision” by Lucas you seem so certain of is a product of hindsight. Even Lucas admits he was making it up as he went along. 

Yes and no. Yeah. He was inspired by the serials of the 40s and made things up as he went along and moved things around accordingly. But some of those things were due because he couldn't know how successefull it all would be and if he could make more than one movie. But even when he made up things as he went along, he still had some sort of Vision and an overarching arc and was pushing the envelope to make that vision happen. And like I stated somewhere before, he started at a point where money was still an issue (the OT), where he still had to go from movie to movie and still what came of it is way more cohesive and in continuity than the crap Disney came up with. A multibillion company with unlimited resources (and access to top personell).

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

To be fair, the future starwars films are going to be new stories set in a different time period with all new characters, conflicts, etc. Plus, the creative team behind the future films is slightly different now (Kevin Feige from Marvel, for example). So I don’t think the success (or lack thereof) for this film has much of an impact on the future either way, honestly.

All that aside, if I like the movie, shouldn’t I be allowed to go see it as much as I want? Regardless of how it impacts their future plans or whatever? Just sayin...

Well, they put aside their plans for further spin offs after the failure of "Solo", didn't they? And the next trilogy is scrapped too, isn't it? All because of them making less money then expected with "Solo". So the only way to get something changed is thorugh their pocket book. And whatever, the doofus Kennedy is still going to be at the helm.

And didn't you mention the problems with story, pacing and whatnot too? And still you reward the crap with multiple viewings at the cinema, which is all Disney cares about.

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

You're aware that there are tons of people out there who genuinely enjoy the movie, right? 

Yeah. People with no taste. You are aware that there is an equally ton of people who hate it and do not just excuse all the problems it has, just because it's Star Wars and they desperately want to like it.

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah I’ve seen it twice so far. Planning to see it a third time soon.

Right and make Disney screw up the next one even more. Who cares for story, when it's SW and there are nice images? People are gonna watch the shit anyway. 

4 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

Sticking to smaller or local shows and bands for the most part. Fine by me

Only works if you want to see those bands. I don't. Once the dinosaurs are gone, I'm done with concerts too.

1 hour ago, username said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/are-concert-tickets-too-cheap-ticketmaster-thinks-so-2019-12-26 

I have no words for this. This is really depressing. 

Yeah. It is. But at the end of the day, the only ones responsible for this are fans, who see nothing wrong with paying extortionate prices on the secondary market. If artists, Live Nation and Ticketmaster want to do something for the fans to cut out the scalpers, the only solution would be to personalize tickets, but obviously, they don't give a shit about fans and only care to line their pockets.

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Lucas should definitely feel a bit vindicated given the furor over the prequels, considering Disney have produced three episodes that are at least as bad and arguably worse. Clearly it isn't easy making a Star Wars film!

Yeah. I'm sure he's chuckling a lot these days.  

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

Someone on another forum said “the only true story of Anakin’s grandchildren is the version that George Lucas would’ve done, which sadly we will never get to see.”

And when I read that, I immediately thought of this:

https://tenor.com/view/fat-bastard-boo-hoo-fatbastard-gif-10647085

 

You may make fun of it, but in a way that's true. Everything else is just fan fiction.

Just now, downzy said:

People can say whatever they want.  Just not ad infitium to the point where it makes discussion miserable for everyone else.  

Right, but if I would be saying ad infinitum how much I love/enjoy that movie, like others do, you wouldn't tell me to shut the fuck up.

7 minutes ago, downzy said:

It's funny how now all of sudden you have a problem with people going out of their way to say something...   Oh the irony... 

What problem?? I said their goal wasn't to be original, but to rehash. That is the problem. Not that they are saying that that was their goal. And really, you came at me for saying something. So you have the problem with people saying something (you don't like, for that matter).

5 minutes ago, downzy said:

Except wasn't that really Leia speaking through Han?  Or do I have that screwed up.  Or was it Leia's use of the force that brought Han back?  Still not too sure.

I would say it was just Ren's Imagination. Or do you really want to believe now that the force allows Jedi to also bring other people's ghosts back from the dead, which really would be another reason of the suckage of this movie.

7 minutes ago, downzy said:

Except it's my forum and I can, and kind of have to, read it.  The point being no one needs to hear you say the same thing over and over again.  We got it.  You didn't like it.  If someone says they liked the film, feel free not to tell everyone again for the umpteenth time that you think they're wrong.  

Oh. It's your forum. So you're the Emperor now telling People what they can say??? Again. I did say different things.

9 minutes ago, downzy said:

The person didn't say he liked it over and over again.  He simply stated it once.  

It's one thing to go back and forward about various aspects of the film, but from what I can tell, the fact that you need to respond to anyone who simply wants to state that they simply liked the film is waste of everyone's time.  

Why would they talk about the film they didn't make when providing audio commentary for the film they did make?  

Granted I don't listen to a lot of audio commentaries, but when I do, rarely do I ever find writers/directors defend why they didn't do something.  Instead they provide commentary for why they did something. 

Well, if it's a waste of time to you, 2bad. Don't read it. I said stuff I hadn't said before.

When they go out of their way saying they did things because of familiarity and because it's been done before then it is obvious what their goal was. And yes, sometimes creators do explain why they did or didn't do something.

9 minutes ago, downzy said:

The person didn't say he liked it over and over again.  He simply stated it once.  

It's one thing to go back and forward about various aspects of the film, but from what I can tell, the fact that you need to respond to anyone who simply wants to state that they simply liked the film is waste of everyone's time.  

Why would they talk about the film they didn't make when providing audio commentary for the film they did make?  

Granted I don't listen to a lot of audio commentaries, but when I do, rarely do I ever find writers/directors defend why they didn't do something.  Instead they provide commentary for why they did something. 

Well, if it's a waste of time to you, 2bad. Don't read it. I said stuff I hadn't said before.

When they go out of their way saying they did things because of familiarity and because it's been done before then it is obvious what their goal was. And yes, sometimes creators do explain why they did or didn't do something.

9 minutes ago, downzy said:

I’m sure it occurred to them, but they chose a path you disagreed with.  

Many, including myself, enjoyed TFA for what it was. There is no right or wrong here. Some preferred the more ambitious and disruptive take of TLJ, others preferred Abrams attempt to invoke a nostalgic style and approach.  

Listening to the audio commentary, it didn't. All they are talking about is to create familiar scenes. Not once did they mention that they could have done something original.
I too enjoyed it for what it was, but can't help to realize that it is a missed opportunity, could have been so much better and what came after that, even though those movies are worse, dragged the whole thing down. And equally many hate it for what it was.

11 minutes ago, downzy said:

Ugh, this is why talking about Star Wars can be such a pain in the ass. 

Metallex78 simply stated that he enjoyed the film and you feel a response is needed to shit all over it. We get it: you didn’t like the film. You have stated this numerous times already. We don’t need you responding to every post made by someone who enjoyed it. 

Why? If I praise it, I'm allowed to say that over and over and if I dislike it, I'm supposed to shut the fuck up? Thats not how it works. And I did comment on something he said.

10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Force Awakens is probably one of the most cynical films I have ever seen. It is as if Abrams had bottled nostalgia, and was intravenously administering it to his viewers. 

Yeah, listening to JJs commentary, their main objective was to create scenes we have already seen, thinking fans would like to see a rehash of what has been out before. To be original was the last thing on their mind. Apparently didn't even occur to them.

But it still is the best of the bunch. That would have been a great starting point to branch off into something new. Then Last Jedi ruined itself with some "Really?" moments (I could have been good, had they treated Luke differently) and then the whole thing really went downhill from there fast.