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4 hours ago, Flake said:

Like little babys who cry because the presents they got are boring after two days and they want something else. It's so ridiculous.

and @Lio

What's the point of having it at some shows, but not at others, but still shoving down covers people's throat!? What's the point of when having it, removing the only other interesting song, but keeping the covers!? Why can't they play both GNR songs for the fan, who knows their shit, but drop one of the covers, if they really need to drop a song when playing Locomotive. There is nothing cry baby about it, just legitimate questions, for why can't they can't keep the only new GNR song they are playing in the 4th year of their reunion as a permanent fixture in the show?

Wow! Those white couches. How metal. At least people are also allowed to stand.

5 hours ago, RussTCB said:

This whole idea is so foreign to me. 

I have a weekly music gathering at my house nearly every Friday. All of the regulars outside of me "know UYI I & II" but none of them would know Locomotive. 

The  idea to think that someone would know an album, but not know this song, like it's the Bermuda triangle, is foreign to me. If they "know" the albun, but don't know the almost 9 Minute song on it then guess what, they do not really know that album.

7 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Gotta disagree with your argument here that any casual fan should know Locomotive. It’s one of the deepest cuts in the bands catalogue. 
 

Let me give you some perspective. My favorite band has 16 albums. I’ll have seen them 135 times by this time next week. I’ve spent...far more money on them than I care to admit. There’s probably about 10 tracks from albums (I.e. not B-sides or anything) that they could play and I would only vaguely recognize or not be familiar with enough that I know what they are offhand. These songs are the same tier of obscurity as Locomotive. So...does that mean I’m not a real fan of this band?

If you know the fucking album, you know the fucking song. If you don't know the fucking album of a band who has not 16, but 3 fucking albums you're not a fan, but a casual listener, who probably owns a greatest hits album. I feel like I'm repeating myself here. GnR catalog is so tiny, that there are no obscure songs to fans.

35 minutes ago, rebeldhipi said:

As a fan i cannot understand bitching about the gig being too long.

Im a fan and when i pay 100 bucks or more to see a gig. Sure as hell im not sad that they played most of my favorite songs last year. Quite the opposite. I was hoping to get the same dream setlist as in the la forum 2017.

I saw nine inch nails a few years back and i was a bit dissaponted they only played 1h20min. 

Exactly. Bitiching about it is totally alien to me. Especially in this day an age, as shows constantly seem to get shorter (while the artists are getting older).

18 minutes ago, izzy92 said:

Lol this convo is ridiculous, of course you can be a fan of a band without knowing every single song on every single album. If that was true, I'd only be a fan of two bands despite attending over 600 concerts by 180 different acts. Just because GnR has less to discover doesn't really mean anything, you're either going to try and dive into an artist's entire discography or not. You're also expecting people to remember and re-listen to tracks that they don't even enjoy...some people ONLY know SCOM and Welcome to the Jungle - probably a casual listener. Others know those, Paradise City, Nightrain, YCBM, November Rain...casual fan. Throw in Patience, Don't Cry, Estranged, KOHD and LALD and that is a solid, regular fan of the band. Anything more and you're hardcore! Probably 15-20% of the audience at a given show know more than those songs. Just look at Izzy performing 14 years with Gnr in London, 85% of the audience cheered his name but looked completely lost when the song started!

But that's the point. If you only enjoy 2 songs, then you are not a fan of the band. You are a fan of those 2 songs, but not of the band, because then you would also enjoy the other songs. And if you enjoy other songs but don't know them, then you are just a casual listener and not really a fan.

7 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Maybe we question everyone who wears a gnr shirt at a show , name 3 gnr songs! Case in point,

 

 

Now that is fucking ridiculous. Wearing band shirts and not having a clue. These people should be ashamed. But that's the problem. They don't give a shit. So obviously they are not fans and never will be. But I do guess, at least some of them are just to high, drunk, stoned, whatever to remember and knew at one point.

3 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Agree to disagree for sure, I still lobby for the approach the concept of calling someone a "fan" something that is much more inclusive and less of a binary "you must be "x" tall to ride this ride" sort of way lol

 

But regardless of the very specific debate over that, I am still stoked as hell that Locomotive was indeed played.  It is one of my favorite GNR songs and listening to the videos, I am pleased that even Frank did a decent job on it which I was cautiously worried about when I first saw it show up on the setlist lol since the song's backbone is all about that groove. 

Agreed.

2 minutes ago, Thorbear said:

But this is all relative, you could argue that people could be excused for not knowing anything beyond AFD since the band changed too much between that and the Illusions albums. 

 

And someone like me, who got into GNR in the 2000s and absolutely love CD and still listen to it pretty much every week, who go to concerts, hang out on the forums, own all the ablums, dvds and shit, do I not count as a fan because I don't know every song on UYI or Spagetti Incident by heart? 

Well. When you stand at the concert and when they start to play Coma and/or Locomotive and you ask the people around you what songs those are, that certainly would put your fanhood in question. One could argue though that you are more of a Axl fan.  Even though even then it could be expected that you know most of his songs. But either way, there is still something like a casual fan. I wouldn't quite consider them a "real" (despite me hating that distinciton) fan. There are just nuances of fanhood.

7 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Again I will just end it by saying I would never tell someone they are not a "true" fan if they didn't know one 7+ minute UYI deep cut randonly busted out at a show lol that just isn't the way I approach that whole concept of fandom in that binary "is or isn't" way

Yeah. And there's where we disagree. Some people use the term "fan" to lightlly.... kinda like calling all the people following you on Facebook "friends". Well, they are not. And it's not just a random 2 minute throw away forgettable song. It's a 7+ minute semi-epic in an already small back catalog of 3 albums.

4 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I still disagree.  As long as someone somewhat knows a decent percentage of the songs and shells out money to see them live, I consider them a fan, regardless of anything else

So the person next to me knew Chinese and heard the Illusions long ago and didn't remember Coma and asked me what it was - I still consider that person a fan

 

This is gonna get circular really fast so I will just put a coda on it in saying all in all I agree with Russ' original point regarding Locomotive

I like AC/DC. I go to their concerts. But I own exactly 4 CDs of them. I do know many, but not all songs of them. I would feel a fraud to call myself an AC/DC fan. I like them. But I'm not in the category that would get me called a fan.

And again. In the case of GNR we are talking about a band that has exactly 4 albums. We're not talking about Alice Cooper, who has 20+ albums or Prince, who has 30+ albums. We are talking about a band with 4 albums. I would accept people not knowing CD stuff, as that is not really GNR. But a fan who doesn't know the songs of AFD, UYI 1 + 2? Get the fuck out of here.

18 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I dunno, to me I don't necessarily look at being a fan of something as a strictly binary concept in that way 

Considering that fan comes from fanatic, knowing the songs of the band a person claims to be a fan of is the least anyone can expect. So yes, it is strict.

38 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

In reality there is an in-between between hard core fans like us and casual fans who only know the radio hits.  For example the person I struck up a conversation with next to me at the GNR show in San Diego back in 2016 really liked the show and even was a Buckethead fan and liked CD, and told me he heard the Illusions as a whole long ago but didn't know all of them by memory (mentioned this after Coma was played and asked me what it was)

You can not know a 7+ minute deep cut from a double album released in 1991 and still be a GNR fan

No, you can't. When you're a fan of band who only has released 4 albums in 30 years, you know every song. Or you just simply are not a fan but a casual listener.

Just now, Crowebar said:

I totally appreciate the 3 hour show but I'd appreciate them dropping most of these covers to replace them with their own songs. Preferably newer ones. Playing Locomotive was a good start

Obviously all original songs top any cover. But any cover tops shorter shows.

1 minute ago, GNRfanMILO said:

That's not how it works. Bloating a 2 - 2.5 hour setlist with covers and solos is making it longer for the sake of it. No one wants that. 

Give me a shorter setlist that doesn't make you fall asleep, I'll take it.

I saw 21 shows on that tour. And I saw no one fall asleep. If you can't appreciate a band giving you something for your money and giving their all for 3 and a half hours, maybe that band isn't for you.

1 minute ago, El Guapo said:

No.

Yes. After the money they are asking, they better give a long show. You can leave, if it's too long for you.

2 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

I I think this has been the best leg of the NITL tour so far. The set minus the covers and being a bit shorter works better.

Geez. Get your head out of your ass. That they played Locomotive is great, yes. But they ditched Coma for that. And a 3 hour 40 minutes show is always better than a short one.

And seriously, Train kept a rollin? Another fucking cover?? They can do that once they played the fuck out of all the Illusion songs. Before that, any of those are far better options.

1 hour ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

Exactly! What about the video/audio quality?!

I remember I was a teenager and used to watch these horrible VHSs, where you could only see Axl’s shadow moving.

Once my room’s door was open and my dad was walking around the house. Every time he would pass in front of my room he’d take a look, until finally he couldn’t help himself but stop and ask me what the hell I was doing watching that black screen with a wheezing sound for 2,5 hours. Was there anything to watch? I had to point where Axl was and tell him what was going on, but he still couldn’t see it. 🤣

Yeah. And for that you paid a shitload of money. Don't miss those days.

2 minutes ago, gunsguy said:

In Canada he could be charged with tresspass at least.  Not sure about USA

How? Is Gio, or whatever that guy is called, saying to him at a random show "We don't want to see you at our shows." enough to charge someone with trespassing in an arena in the next city? Wouldn't the venue in question have to tell Rick: "You are not allowed to enter our venue." for that to work?

1 minute ago, tsinindy said:

So, whoever posted that to YouTube is pretty much an ahole.  Pretty sure that's Margot's video that they posted to their account without any credit. 

Which in this day and age probably is better. Next Margot is not allowed back in the pit for posting that stuff.

2 hours ago, Axl_morris said:

I think Rik's ego and bravado got the better of him. Mouthing off online bragging about the CDs then to have the audacity to go VIP is one of the most retarded things I can imagine. That's like rolling up a spliff in the reception of your local police station 

 

 

Yeah. Like he'd expecting they give him a high five in "VIP".

4 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

He made a legal purchase of goods that were legally purchased by someone else. He did NOTHING wrong. Unfortunately, this is the kind of bullshit you have to deal with when one of the top 5 greatest American rock bands is managed by 5th rate hired help. 

He made a purchase of, what anyone with a brain would know, something stolen/wasn't up for sale legally. And he talked about it and leaked it (? He did leak it after buying it, did he?).

2 hours ago, sl4yer said:

These shorter sets are good. Put Hardschool or Quick Song between NR and Kohd and it will be perfect

Why would you want a shorter set?? Still paying fucking money for it. A lot. I'd rather have a longer set, even if I don't like all songs. And really, adding Locomotive is great, but it taking Coma's spot sucks, as Coma is the better song.

3 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Highly doubt Axl knows who he is by sight or what’s going on the day of the show. 

Management however? Definitely so and this screams of their involvement. They’re probably pissed how this blew up in their face. 

As far as lifetime bans? Just means he’ll be recognized in VIP areas or close to the stage/can’t buy through the fan club. I’m sure he can get into the building in the future in other ways.

No way they can enforce that across all avenues. They say those things to scare you. There a good chance he could buy off Stubhub tonight and walk through another ticket gate 

Yeah. And throwing him in jail? For what? Buying a ticket and going to a concert?? Of course they could go after him legally, for leaking that stuff. And for that, I'd say, the fucker got what he deserved. If you leak stuff, try to stay anonymious and not let the band know that it was you who leaked that stuff and expect them to give you a high five.

2 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

She was surprised about her videos being taken down, everyone was explaining to her what was going on, so she said she would check and get back to us.

Yeah. I saw that. So nothing else was said? Why did she take that down? Seriously, GNR and everything around it is just fucking strange.

11 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

And now the comments were closed on that post. 

Why? What was said??