evader

Happy Birthday, Mr.  Rose. Can I make a wish on your behalf?

4 hours ago, GNRfanMILO said:

I’m pretty sure that both @Mindray11’s recording and @evader’s reconstruction of “The General” (Monsters) were hoarded for a few years (probably between 2011/12 and 2018 when they were shared).

My fake vocals seem to have been last modified in late February of 2018. Any edits after that were minimal. I won't be divulging when I first received the cellphone clip.

7 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I assumed Kaneda just had the cell clip. He got pissed off one time in like 2017 or so and posted on here asking if he could leak 2 minutes of the song. Well, the cell clip is 2 minutes

It would probably be best just to ask @Kaneda what he remembers about what he had/heard. Probably not a huge problem for him to divulge an extra detail or two, 6 years later.

35 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

But a few select people definitely had it before that. Here's a thread with Kaneda talking about it in late 2017: 

 

I'd be curious to know "how" Kaneda heard it. Odds are he heard something over the phone as bait. And I know my clip is raw sewage, but by October 24, 2017, I had quit working on it. It was 2 minutes and 30 seconds long, and I suspect could have fooled many people under the right circumstances. And I wasn't the only one with my clip.

3 minutes ago, evader said:

Probably already mentioned:

The cellphone clip is from.....(fill in the blank...2010-ish?)....., and it has a completely different guitar solo (by Finck) and different song structure. Some vocals have been cut since that party recording. Maybe this helps with the guesswork?

Holy shit, it just occurred to me that the cellphone guitar solo could have been Ashba. I may need to phone a friend on this one. @Voodoochild?

1 hour ago, D.. said:

If the leaker is who I think of, he's a diehard fan and must have followed the credits thing regarding the vinyl, so either he named the second song because of those credits (& lyrics during the song) or it was already named like this when he bought & received the files. It's not impossible Monsters has been called that way for quite some time.

Or it's an inside job but it's unlikely the more I think of it, because it did leaked in a specific place.

Most likely scenario: as the vinyl was about to be released and the credits got out, whoever leaked those tracks bought it from a hoarder who felt the value of both songs would crash after the vinyl's release. The deal must have happened recently, but before October 26th, when it was clear the vinyl would be delayed or even cancelled.

If those came from a hoarder, it's more likely it's old versions from the 2000s. Maybe early 2010's. I'm just not hearing it, I'm still convinced it's Slash & Duff. If it's not then great news, means we'll have two versions.

 

Probably already mentioned:

The cellphone clip is from.....(fill in the blank...2010-ish?)....., and it has a completely different guitar solo (by Finck) and different song structure. Some vocals have been cut since that party recording. Maybe this helps with the guesswork?

@Blackstar, I didn't know this topic existed until you linked to it today. What an incredible collection of data you've found, and what a fantastic presentation it is... thank you.

9 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

Evader

Can you wadger a guess as to how clean or raw you think the vocal tracks on General are? Meaning, in your opinion and with your experience, do you think this is the final product or do the vocals seem weird to you? At least in the chorus of the first part of the song.

I'm no musical expert. I just like doing puzzles, so take this for what it's worth.

I think these are probably final vocals. The vocals on Monsters are all great. Many vocals on The General seem to be intentionally distorted (artistic choice). It's probably best to assume they are all final, and be surprised if they end up slightly different.

3 minutes ago, D.. said:

While you're here, can you 100% confirm it's Slash on the leaks, and that the phone recording had another guitar player? ; )

This is probably a better question for Voodoo or another guitar expert that's highly familiar with each of the lead guitarists' styles. I'm no gambler, though I would bet the solo from the cellphone recording was Finck.

1 hour ago, Voodoochild said:

So your friend from the industry doesn’t know how to use his phone to record even a snippet of the song blasting off the speakers? 
 

BTW, there’s no guitar riff in November Rain. 

Something tells me that Seiya was just missing a comma or a dash,  and probably meant to imply something like:

"no chorus, no guitar riff.....kinda like november rain "

If I'm wrong, don't shoot me. Not til next week anyway.

10 minutes ago, Powerage5 said:

I think the mythical status of the song is certainly part of it, or at least why so many people seem so vehement about it in this instance. But that’s also why I mention that I’ve seen plenty of similar comments about UYI and LNL AFD. It may be more drastic in this instance, but it’s not an isolated incident. 
 

I also think the nature of the song, from what little bit we know and have heard, may be why it’s not getting a widespread release. We know according to Bach it’s the heaviest GN’R song to date. We’ve heard enough from the cellphone clip to support this statement I think. The song is alleged to be about child abuse. Combine all of this, and it’s clear the song is not going to be mainstream in any way. It could very well be a calculated move to release it as an exclusive track that’s available to the diehards who know the song’s reputation and are excited to hear if, while not making a big fanfare about it to a mainstream audience who the song may not sit well with. 
 

There is another option I haven’t seen mentioned yet. Suppose the 7” comes with a download card - these UMG press releases wouldn’t technically be false as the only (legal) way to get the song would be to purchase the 7”, but would still give the option to have a digital copy. I wonder if people would still feel so upset if that scenario were to play out. 

Great points, all. If the 7" comes with a download card for digital release, I imagine that would be a nice band-aid for those who've been injured by the news of this vinyl-only release. Well, at least kinda.

Still, to beat a dead horse, most don't have access to record players, and some of us old-schoolers don't even do the digital purchasing thing. Hopefully, a broader range of buying options will follow at some point so that GNR can maximize both exposure and profit. Maybe that "broader range" will be a full album, like what was once common in the days of yore.

7 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

Buckethead list***

If any of you haven't seen Bucket perform live, you owe it to yourselves to add THAT to your bucket list.

6 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

This is how the GNR Twitter once replied when someone asked what intros they play at GNR concerts: "there are several.. "the General" is probably most played before CD".  So, it's not just speculation based on what Axl said. They have actually confirmed that they used The General as an intro

Thank you for this quote! I had completely forgotten about it.

My misguided doubts about it being The General were entirely from FL calling it a "Monster." That's an odd tease, considering there's another song with Axl's "meanest vocals" ever (or whatever he said on Trunk) that is supposed to be called "Soul Monster". That actually wouldn't be a bad title for the cellphone song if it is about what I think it is about.

1 hour ago, jacdaniel said:

People are entitled to an opinion if they clarify its their own opinion. 

Buckethead can be your favourite Guns guitarist.

Even DJ Ashba for some. 

 

My first opinion is that Buckethead is fucking awesome.
My next opinion is that Slash used to be - and may still be - fucking awesome.
My final opinion is that nobody cares about my opinions.

13 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

Robin's parts is what I play in the intro here. And I play only Navarro's solo, not the Tobias part:

That, sir, was absolutely fantastic. I enjoyed every single note.