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No he is, I'm 99% sure I saw a clown in there somewhere

Well to be fair Myles said fuck this shit too, since Slashs bass player sings it lol. But yeah that seems to be an excuse, seeing as GNR even played Garden Of Eden live which has even MORE words and tempo.

That's an awesome show setlist, really filled with Slashs deep cuts for hardcore fans who know the catalogue. We Will Roam was last played when I was still in Highschool 11 years ago damn.

So dumb to drop a video for a song you released over a month later instead of on release. GNR timeline I guess, this is not a professional organisation, this is fucking mayhem lol

That’s a pretty usual tuning for bands even from the 70s (like Van Halen). It just makes everything sound like Slash played it a half step lower on the neck, like the root chord for 14 Years would be played on the 4th fret on the E string instead of the 5th, not really a big difference to sound, it’s so unnoticeable I don’t think anyone would even be able to tell if they don’t have perfect pitch. You can test this yourself and listen to a band you don’t know and try to see if you can tell it’s in standard or a flat key. If I remember correctly Slash started doing it because it’s easier on the vocals, not for any sound reasons.

What the hell I've never heard this before, do you remember what source this originates from? I got to say it doesn't sound like Speed Parade to me, I can't tell if it's legit or not. Good Enough from 5150. He also did it on Spanked from the FUCK album in early 1991 (pre-grunge) though I'm not sure it's Drop A, but it's ridiculously low for that time in rock still.

What makes you think Nightcrawler is in a different tuning than any other GNR song?

Oh yeah how could I forget about Fat Bottomed Girls? It's insane to think they used Drop D as far back as the 1970s, when Drop D only really became a popular tuning in rock starting from the 1990s. It's so rare to hear heavy guitars such as that, other than Sabbath, before that time.

I'm not into those metal genres but I have no doubt you're right. I was more talking about more straight ahead hard rock bands of the 70s - 80s like GNR, that would use drop tuning. It was really not popular until late '91 with grunge bands using it. Drop B is VERY low and a popular tuning among metal bands of the 2000s, so Eddie Van Halen using Drop A, which is even lower, in the mid 1980s is really unusual. Drop A is even an unusually low tuning TODAY for rock bands. The only example that comes to mind for me is Motley using Drop D in 1989 on Slice Of Your Pie. Literally cannot think of any other band utilizing it other than that, from that genre.

I can't think of any 70s bands (beside Sabbath) that drop tuned. Maybe Zep on some acoustic tracks? I'd hardly call that "popularized".

Drop tuned guitars were pretty rare for rock bands in the 80s, I can only think of a handful of examples of bands that even used them during the 80s era before grunge hit and made that popular. Beggars (already 1995) is the earliest one I can think of with Slash that had the strings tuned considerably lower, if you pay attention to it you hear how heavy the low string on Beggars actually is, even though it's not technically a drop tuning. Eddie Van Halen, always ahead of his time like always, used Drop A tuning in 1986 (!) which for anyone familiar with guitar, is completely insane for that time, this low of a tuning only came popular starting in the early 2000s or maybe late 90s. It's what you hear all the metal bands use nowadays. No surprise Slash didn't start to mess with it until after grunge.

That is being saved for the 41st Anniversary

They've already made more money playing 2 shows than you have working your entire life. THAT is what the reunion is for. These songs are just being released for the hell of it, they don't care how well they perform or are received. There is no money being made from new music ever since streaming, it's all from touring.

Maybe it didn't leak from the vinyl, but from one of the studios where Axl and Slash listened to new mixes this summer somewhere in Europe. The General seems to be an older mix and has been done for a while since it was done by Caram, so perhaps they listened to both Perhaps and Monsters. I mean it is kind of a big deal to have Axl and Slash come in to do that, not impossible one of the studio engineers decided to be sneaky and record it that day. Other than that, there is no explanation how anyone would get their hands on a NITL lineup leak.

They need to release Eye On You next to take some heat off The General

*we have seen, of like 150 more, which are rotting in a vault

But we already have the song. Tell me what does it matter? What is the psychology behind wanting Monsters to be "released officially" at this point now, instead of other songs? We already have the song to listen to, so what is the thought process here, we will get a slightly better quality of it when it's officially uploaded and that's it, so what are you really caring about here..? Other people listening to it, instead of you..? You have access to it anytime you want, as does pretty much anyone on this forum. We HAVE the song, we've HEARD it, I'd rather they release something we do not have, like a finished State Of Grace, Berlin, Seven, whatever the hell we haven't heard. Absolute no brainer for me, so I don't understand where you're coming from.

Except you have to deal with that whole circus 1992 lineup going on with the horns and backup girl singers, they had already made it big and were stars, and Axl was already not in his 20s anymore, so it is a band in their later stages. I think 1987-1989 is what would be their absolute peak in terms of performance, line-up, and pure ferocity in the vibe of the show. There is something endearing about watching a band shortly before they exploded, and knew it was slowly building, which is 1987-1989. They need to release that Cathouse 1989 proshot in full, goddamn.

Probably one from 1986-1988 that wasn't recorded (but who knows on how much gold Marc Canter is sitting there that we've never seen)

All I see is "Love that these guys and other bands from this era are still making music, keep on rockin " with 141 upvotes lol

I think you guys are being way too anal about the clipping. Not even the HARDCORE DISLIKER reactions on Youtube ever mention anything about clipping or the sound quality of the song. I also don't have an ear for it either, I just hear the song, and that's it. Changing something about the mix would literally do nothing for me in regards to my opinion of the song.

No, because it would be pure comedy to read all the responses to that song, I don't care about any of that other shit you mentioned lol

I'm not sure I can really ever derive "fun" from listening to a song about someone being in pain. But I agree what makes Coma work is the sheer scope of the musical ambition that they pull off, and you appreciate that when listening to it. The General doesn't have any of that. They somehow really missed the mark in the arrangement, working in the orchestra in more, giving it a longer intro like the concert one. It's just basic, and that's why it doesn't work like Coma does. Which is insane considering how long Axl sat on this song, and I guess Slash and Duff didn't care enough to seriously rework the song (or Axl didn't want that).

A pretty positive reaction to The General (by a girl listener, no less) Honestly what I can say for me now, this song is so far out musically and thematically, it's really no surprise it doesn't appeal to a large part of GNRs fanbase. The section of the fanbase that appreciates a deep cut dark song like Coma must already be like only half of them, and this song is even a step darker than that. It would definitely not get the flack like it is currently getting exposed as a standalone song, if it was where it should belong and have been released and placed, track 7-8 of 10 on an album, surrounded by more accessible tracks. I think it makes sense to say you'd listen to it for the same reason you'd go see a horror film. It's not exactly a "fun" time, yet we do it to feel certain emotions, because we just want to. This is Axl's pain as a child set to music, it is supposed to sound somewhat ugly, and that's where a lot of people check out.