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3 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

To be fair - @HollyWoodRose84 has stated it’s actually done. If that’s the case then there was/is clearly intent to release it. WHEN appears to be the issue. When Live Nation pulls the deal?

If it’s done... Look, I think they would all like to release it. To say it’s 100 percent nostalgia isn’t exactly true. They want to do both, but right now they have the ability to cash in big time. Both can exist, but one clearly has priority 
 

Having it make financial sense for everyone involved might be an issue. The label isn’t going to release something and take a loss. GNR isn’t going to release something with it born to fail/or at their expense. 
 

A tour tie in is nice, but does that make UMG comfortable to move units? Who knows. They know their numbers. Same with Guns. Do they really need to release something now? They’re still getting paid big for shows. Maybe they hold on until it makes sense. Maybe they announce in a few weeks once the initial sales for the tour flatten out. 
 

1 minute ago, TheGeneral said:

They have to release an album to do a stadium tour...

They just have to...come on...

COME ON!!! 

As long as promoters are willing to fork over their fee, they don’t have to do anything. 
 

I don’t think an album moves the needle to jump from an arena to a stadium regardless. At best you get more VIP upgrades/charge more from the hardcore fanbase...which is worth something, but not to the extent that everyone thinks 

1 minute ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

I don’t understand either. There’s no way they come close to selling out by of these u.s.shows.

Live Nation doesn’t have to sell out these shows to make them profitable. GNR just wants their fee. They could give 2 shits as long as the check clears. If they sell out of have good attendance, it just means more $ for everyone. 

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

I get that they don't care about the hard core fans. They've made that more than abundantly clear. 

What I don't get is how they expect to sell this tour without a new album or another major act on the bill. 

That’s Live Nation’s problem. They aren’t going to turn down the check and think long term here. Cashing chips 

Just now, tsinindy said:

Boston wont' sell out in a minute, Chicago won't sell out in a minute unless they have seats covered. 

They may sell out, but not in a minute, that's laughable. 

They “sell out”. Meaning Live Nation only releases a certain amount and they sell out of that amount to create demand on their secondary ticket site 

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Boston will sell out in a minute and it is a Monday night.. The only people bitching are the people here. They haven't been here in a couple years and no matter what you read on this forum the show will be different than last time they were here.  There are a bunch of songs they played last time that have been dropped from the set and they have added 4 or 5 songs since then that I am very excited to see. I suspect they will add a couple more once the tour starts up. You guys can all sit here and follow the streams and cry about the set. I will be there drunk with horns up rocking the fuck out.

Yep. The majority of people who attend will say this: Oh GNR is coming? Shit, they were great at Gillette a few years ago. At Fenway? Let’s go! We can hit bars before the show 

2 minutes ago, Dean said:

Fuck knows what is brewing. If it was any other band, it wouldn't surprise me if an album release is announced in the next month or two to coincide with these tour dates.

But it isn't any other band. It's Guns N' Roses. They'll be dusting off the cobwebs on Think About You in order to support this tour. 

I'm still optimistic, somehow...

The time to announce something would be the next few weeks as the initial sales taper/or more dates added. After that, there’s little chance of anything happening 

17 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Will be interesting to see how they pull this off sales wise without co headlining or having new music. 
 

They’ll be in LA when I’m home for break but not sure I really even want to go considering it’ll be the same show I’ve already seen twice and Axl is getting pretty weak vocally.

They get a fee no matter what. GNR doesn’t care, they get paid. We’ll see what happens. 90% of who attends also doesn’t care and doesn’t want to hear new music. 

If it performs well, then Live Nation will sell an arena tour next year and round and round we go 

8 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Axl sucks on SCOM. It's as simple as that. They should have aired Jungle, Brownstone or Easy.

Prob not their choice

8 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said:

Axl sounded and looked 100 times better in 2002 than he does now. There is a stark difference between Axl's clean singing (2002) and Axl's mickey singing (2011-present). The 2002 VMA's Axl/Guns N' Roses is a dream compared to what we have now.

Gotta disagree. The VMAs were not only worse, but were watched by way more people. Nobody was watching this at 11PM Sat night before the SB 

9 minutes ago, jafeijo said:

I don't think so, it requires technique. Also Axl's posture was different, he had that visible fire. Anyway, just my opinion.

It requires technique, but it’s a one trick pony. Def harder to switch between registers and keep things even and on pitch. 
 

Again, if he weren’t preparing for a tour, he wouldn’t last more than a few shows before blowing his voice out 

He simply doesn’t have a voice to perform like the studio versions for a show let alone an entire tour anymore. This is and has been the reality for a while. 1st night of a return is also not the best way to judge where everything is....

That being said, it’s not due to a lack preparation. If he went out there cold without doing anything to prepare, he’d blow his voice out the 3rd week of a run and have to cancel a tour.
 

This is just where Axl is in his 50’s, having to sing with that style and more importantly using different registers. It ain’t AC/DC... If all he needed to do was sing Shadow every song, it would be much easier

5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

The point here should be, why does Axl consistently sing his biggest song like crap... not why did they choose this song to broadcast. They why it was chosen is clear. 

Network probably chose it 

1 minute ago, Tom-Ass said:

I justs watched one from a different angle and he did look pretty out of shape and winded at points.. That is on him. Sounded great during other parts though. Too bad he couldn't ever pull it 100% together for this reunion. I am convinced getting in shape would have a positive effect on his overall performance. 

Weren't there supposed to be highlights aired on TV tonight?

He’s in his 50’s. People get older. The crime is that they needed to do this a decade plus earlier 

16 minutes ago, MildlyArtistic said:

If there's one thing the lack of new music, last night's show, and the past couple years of tour legs have shown, it's that Guns N' Roses is a spent force at this point. Now that the initial excitement of Slash and Duff being back in the band has worn off, we're just left with a band going through the motions with a frontman on autopilot whose voice is totally shot.

The only releases we're getting out of this lineup anytime soon are probably gonna be Conspirators albums, Duff solo projects, and whatever Dizzy and Richard put out.

They’ll continue to do just that as long as the pay is the same. This band doesn’t need to release an album. The people who are attending don’t want to hear it 

If they release anything, it will be because they want to on a artistic level, or to try and fulfill their contract so that they can try other endeavors 

Cant wait for the UYI Anniversary Tour 

1 minute ago, tman636 said:

9:50 and still waiting 😂😂😂😂

Did Snoop go over? 

Honestly it’s the next few weeks. Summer tours are starting to get announced. Unless they  announce that they are tying a release alongside with those rumored US Stadium dates, then nothing is coming. It makes little sense to announce anything afterwards

20 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

And the rage begins. This place is going to be a nightmare in 12 hours.

They could play Breakdown tonight and people would still complain because of some made up expectations 

“If you're waiting...don't. Live your life. That's your responsibility not mine. If it were not to happen, you won't have missed a thing. If in fact it does, you might get something that works for you — in the end you could win on this either way. But if you're really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus 'cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater."

6 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Haha- I have both those shirts! 

I just feel a prick when I leave the house proudly wearing my Illusion tour shirt, walk into a bar and see some group of particularly obnoxious women on a horrendous looking hen night, one of which is wearing a brand new version of the same shirt, 'artfully distressed', that she picked up in a chain-fashion store that afternoon. It makes me cringe inside a bit! 

Actually, my lowest moment came in 2012, when I was on my way to see them and struck up a conversation with a woman in a bar near to the venue who was wearing a GNR shirt, assuming she too was on her way to the show, expecting a bit of light-hearted Chinese Democracy related chat.  She didn't really know who they were, had no idea they were doing concerts, and even less idea that they were playing in a venue down the road! 

I'd dragged along a friend to the concert who found it all absolutely hilarious and took it as opportunity to inform me that "he'd told me before that no-one cares"! I got the last laugh though - Axl came on really really fucking late, it was a weeknight, and he spent a fortune on over-priced beer staving off the boredom of waiting in an Arena for hours to see a band he didn't even like. 

  

There are multiple levels of fandom. Not everyone is like us/or relates to music like us. They make a ton more $ off fans like the above than the one’s who would and didn’t buy Locked N Loaded. That being said, they’d would love to gouge both sides of the spectrum. There’s just much more at the bottom than the top of the pyramid. That’s why new music doesn’t matter. They are going to try and play stadiums until Live Nation says they can’t. They’re going for volume to cash in. They will roll out Jungle/Paradise every night if it means they get their pay day. 

The members of GNR are in their late 50’s. It is very extremely unlikely that they will have mainstream success with new material. The majority of people don’t go to see McCartney play his new songs, Nor did they go to see Sabbath play material off of 13. They go for the hits, relive something in their youth, or see something out of the fear of missing out. Of course that’s not a blanket statement across the board, but that’s the overwhelming reality. 

I hope Guns releases new music. Maybe it gets good reviews. Maybe more people passively listen. It’s just never going to be like 88-93. That time has passed. Kids who are music fanatics who push culture don’t really relate to past middle aged men playing rock songs. It’s success doesn’t matter to me. I just hope I enjoy it 

43 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Personalized tickets and that shit would stop then and there. But really, all of them give a shit about the fan. They only cry about lost revenue/someone else making the money that should be theirs.

It’s a way to gain extra revenue on top of the band’s fees. Take the difference between face value and the secondary market price. A cut goes to the band, a cut goes to the promoter, the scalper (which is Ticketmaster), etc.. 

It’s all a racket. Release some tickets, say it’s sold out and then sell some directly to scalpers to help set their market and collect on the difference. Then they release some more and repeat the process. 

Now sometimes it’s necessary. Especially if the band’s fees are high. The promoter needs to dip into the scalping market to help make the show more profitable and they’ll negotiate the band’s cut down/or even out of the equation. They’ll do this and sometimes the artist isn’t even aware. They’re getting paid, who cares. 

Now if the band didn’t want this to happen, they’d have to ask for less $.....which for many artists won’t happen. So on it goes. 
 

You see a lot of the personalized tickets with smaller shows.  

1 hour ago, DownUnderScott said:

Yep, isn't this what Metallica recently got exposed for?  It's pretty shitty really manipulating ticket sales and prices and fucking your fans over...

Yeah. They knew what they were doing. Don’t be fooled if they say they didn’t know this was going on. It’s been a common practice for a lot of artists

They hate to see tickets on the secondary market going for high prices. Not because fans are getting ripped off, but because they aren’t getting a cut of that revenue and more importantly, that’s what they should be charging. 
 

So they sell a certain amount of tickets directly to scalpers and take a percentage. They do this to avoid getting blowback from the fans if they had just listed tickets at the true market value. No one wants to see $300 balcony tickets set as the initial price, but for some reason it’s ok if the demand pushes the secondary market to that point.  
 

We’re moving closer to just setting up live bidding for in demand shows. Otherwise, if artists want to set low prices for their fans, they can not only do that, but they can also take extreme measures to make sure there are no secondary tickets available 

14 minutes ago, Draguns said:

Really?! When I checked it was $360 for the last row at MetLife. I went on Stubhub. 

Stubhub is a secondary market site. That’s not necessarily what the tickets costs. That’s what people are willing to pay once they’ve been sold
 

Not saying artists don’t sell on the secondary market (some do). However it’s certainly possible to grab at face through certain channels. Pearl Jam is also not one of those artist that practice this. They try and keep scalpers/secondary sellers out of their system.
 

I’m also sure if GNR could, they would practice something Such as selling on the secondary market. They release a certain amount of tickets, and Claim they are sold out. Then they immediately put some up through secondary channels. It’s a fairly common practice  

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

They are all greedy old farts. Argument closed.

Millionaires want to keep being millionaires 🤷🏻‍♂️

16 minutes ago, Draguns said:

So you are  basically saying that Pearl Jam should be treated like the Rolling Stones?? Rolling Stones had $360 tickets for the very last row at MetLife Stadium last summer. Cheaper than Pearl Jam's standard ticket for the last row at MSG. Sorry, I'm not buying that it's due to demand. It's priced artificially due to the band for various reasons.  Other people are saying the same thing.

As I said before, tickets for GNR were cheaper than PJ. You stated VIP packages cost $500 to $700. I never even mentioned VIP packages nor would I get one since I would expect the price to be high. I'm talking about a standard ticket. Heck, I'm going to see Bon Jovi at Prudential Center in July. I paid $130 for a sold out show. 
 

I was at MetLife for the Stones. Row 48 Sec 123. $150 per ticket plus fees