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17 minutes ago, rebeldhipi said:

I think we are overreacting.

Beta basicly has said that they dont care about the videos going down.

It sucks for us hardcore fans. But also us harcore fans we have a reputation of leaking new songs. Hoarding all kinds of material and making money from it. (99% of us, me included dont)

So basicly either they wanna fuck with us or they are realising that there is a "war" between the hardcore fans and they dont care cause the fans have also fucked them over (leaks).

What we are fighting over is a bunch of clips where the majority will comment bullshit like Mickey mouse vocals, get Matt Sorum back ect.

Are the management gonna work their ass off to give us back our videos? I think not. 

Should they? Its up to them, in my opinion.

Its not a huge loss for them. Thats for sure.

Not using video as a platform in 2019 is a huge loss for them. Whether they realize it or not. As a management team, they should care in that regard. Either make your artist understand the effects of such a policy or use your reach to rectify the situation. Doing nothing will bite them  

It’s not just affecting hardcore fans. They are going after the paying majority of fans who are going to shows. People who might not want to attend in the future when their social accounts are getting strikes, can’t find videos of performances, etc...

On top of it they want to release music with this strategy. Good luck maximizing your reach and acceptance amongst the fanbase. Can’t blame the label this time around 

8 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

Let’s think for a moment:

Who could be the person interested in not having a live video on Youtube? I can only think of Axl. Any other guesses? It’s clear that Slash or Duff don’t give a shit. Although I think Axl is doing a good (sometimes great) job, we all know he’s not the 28 year old Axl that everyone loves.

Here’s what I think: Axl doesn’t want the videos on YT and TB is probably helping/covering for someone taking the videos down. TB cannot expose the real situation so they take the blame, fabs already hate them. At some point, Beta gets tired of the accusations and theories and makes a big scene. Sure she or Fernando don’t know how to handle stuff publicly, but they’re doing it because Axl wants them to do so. Why the hell would they do it for no reason, if Axl didn’t ask them?

That’s what I think.

Most likely. I don’t think TB is necessarily “dumb”, they have enough knowledge to know how things operate and what happens in the music business. The stance is coming from somewhere and most likely from the top. The execution/handling of it is definitely suspect and on them however
 

Let’s not pretend some of this behavior didn’t exist with other managers. This is an instance where someone needs to step in. It’s just mind numbingly inept for 2019

50 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Of course there's something they can do about it. 

They could start by giving a remote shit about the fans outside of just the fans money. Additionally, they could actively go after the one or two people behind this by getting THEIR accounts shut down. 

There are options. Otherwise, other bands would have to deal with the same things. But, yet again, other fans don't have to deal with the same shit GNR fans do. 

Let’s just say what they claim is true. They don’t know where it’s coming from. They should however know who to contact to fix the issue. Wiping vids off of YouTube is a big blow to your streaming rev at the very least not to mention the other downsides on the precipice of a release. Doing nothing about this issue is incredibly reckless on a business level in 2019 
 

Or maybe they do know...

Just now, GNRfanJen said:

This is absolutely appalling. What a crock of shit. And to Margott, of all people. In what world is uploading PERSONAL CONCERT VIDEOS illegal?! 

It’s technically illegal. The issue is that it makes no sense to enforce in 2019. It does more harm than any benefits of pulling them down.

Let’s say they are truthful in that they don’t know what’s going on. Then they are admitting in being incompetent. They should know and they should be contacting those channels to correct the issue. Video is an extremely important aspect to the music business in 2019. It’s incredibly short sighted to ignore 

Incredibly short sighted strategy in 2019. Not sure how they expect to release new music and not fully use YouTube, Instagram, Facebook videos as a platform

33 minutes ago, -Jaro- said:

he missed verse!

he didn't play exact solo like on album!

he was faster there!

he didn't jump at that second...

 

My God, in my dictionary - that IS a definition of live rock'n'roll band.

spontaneous and fun!

Even Axl's Mickey fits in this song.... Better than milionth time SCOM for sure....

If you want to hear it played exactly like the album, go listen to it...

This is one of the most exciting periods in decades (whether their own doing or not). You’d never know it here sometimes. Granted there are a few issues currently, but this kind of stuff is just crazy talk 

52 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I just saw something recently where someone was saying "Pitman and BBF have tons of unreleased GNR tracks and they're looking to sell". 

Nothing could be further from the truth. 

It would be a quick way to end ever working with any other artist either in a band setting or studio work on top of the legal issues. I doubt they are that self destructive

30 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

That doesn't explain why literally everything, including classic Guns shows, is being purged.

Knowing a bit about them, they view it all the same as demos/leaks/etc. It’s copyrighted material. They aren’t going to fight to have that stuff be available. I’m not sure if they meant for fan shot vids to be a part of it, but they most likely gave those two bozos free reign to take down whatever they see fit.

As a digital strategy in 2019, it’s mind numbingly short sighted. Good luck with that. Normal fans outside of the “board community” are getting social media strikes/banned as a result. It’s a great way to not guarantee repeat business for the next tour, merch sale, or album. That’s for sure 

1 hour ago, Azifwekare said:

Team Brazil know what the situation is regarding Wanker and BloJo, but then they still do shit like this. They are actively trying to fuck with the fans. Team Brazil can suck my dick. This band is a fucking joke.

I guarantee that whoever is running their social media went ahead with this and never got the memo from management. 

From experience, those guys are always the last to know that type of stuff. It’s as simple as that.

They’ll get the message in the comments and then go to management for an answer. If they’re worth their fee, then they’ll push back with the ludicrousness of the idea. They prob won’t listen 

Well it’s obvious whoever is running their social media hasn’t gotten the memo from management. 

In the meantime countless fans are getting their SM accounts flagged on their behalf. Probably doesn’t bode well for those “casual fans” to buy merch come Xmas time. 

10 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

The thing is, if I was a musician and my music was leaked on the wilds of the internet without my permission, I would be pretty pissed. If Axl did not release the material it was because he thought it wasn’t good enough, wasn’t ready, whatever.

That said, once it was out there’s not much you can do about it, you’re chasing the dragon, like Metallica was with Napster. And it’s not that the new GNR album was leaked, one that’s ready to go. As far as I know, it’s music from 100 years ago, instrumental, unfinished, played with random people. This is the kind of stuff that’s only interesting to people like us here, the general public doesn’t care, they don’t even bother to stay after the band plays SCOM for christ sake! I’m not particularly interested in these pieces of music from that bizarre era, the only thing I’ve listened was Hardschool because you talked so much about it.

So, imo Axl should let it go, live his life, be happy with his buddies, write new music and forget about Rick and that ridiculous ban. Just learn to choose your battles, this one doesn’t worth it. And be careful with your stuff next time so it doesn’t happen again. 

You assume Axl knows about any of this in detail. Let alone he himself demanding a ban. That could simply come just from mgmt for example. We don’t know the extent of it. To comment at this point is a bit unfair. 

Im sure it sucks to have music that wasn’t meant for public critique/consumption suddenly made available. I also don’t think it’s fair to ask for an artist to simply “get over it”. He’s can feel whatever way he wants about it. It’s his songs...

There’s not much to compare between artists and how they’ve reacted. Different circumstances, different industry dynamics, etc... While I agree to an extent that it’s easier to play along in some instances, we don’t get to see the bottom line on what it affects. Perhaps they won’t even see it for another 5 yrs. Time will tell

Also we all want Axl to be this “don’t give a fuck” type of artist and be this rockstar, yet some constantly complain why he’s not doing things by the book and not acting within some type of perceived box. I just think it’s funny when people say “he should this or that”. People have been trying to make him do things for the majority of his life. Label executives, A&R, Promoters, Agents, Managers, etc... I don’t think that starts now 

5 minutes ago, swishtz said:

This isn't embracing the internet, embracing the internet doesn't mean ignoring the rule of law, taking someone elses unfinished IP and deciding to distribute it because you want to, without the consent of the creator is just outrageous. Remember what Napster did to the music industry and revenues on music sales, then you all bitch why music on the most part is so absolute shit these days and concert tickets so high, why there are merch grabs everywhere too..... There are repercussions to these types of thoughts.

People wonder why there’s not much good rock in the “mainstream”. Rock music is about taking chances. The labels don’t take those chances anymore. The old model was centered around one success made up for your 10 failures. That luxury simply isn’t there and the label structure has moved on to mitigate those risks and take more proven revenues elsewhere.

Artists are now in the mode of maximizing their worth. It’s harder to sell out shows now than 10 yrs ago. Everyone is on the road longer than they should be and the product is watered down across the board. It’s not just a GNR problem. 

As far as the video/YouTube issues, who knows how far it goes in their camp. I think it’s obvious it starts there somewhere. I don’t agree with the stance at its core, I’m just not sure if that means any of the Big 3 are even aware of it. Hypothetically, I’d think the label and the band would love the revenue it would/could generate. 

Random fans who attend their shows are getting their vids pulled down. It has nothing to do with the forum crowd. That doesn’t help public perception for the band. It makes them look like dicks. You’d think they’d want this train to keep moving. It’s this type of behavior that makes people think twice about seeing them again. 

37 minutes ago, kiwiguns said:

Its a very simple thing to understand. 

The guy was paid money in good faith. 

Now he is seeking attention, fame and fortune at the bands expense. 

The band and its management are protecting their interests. 

Thats what any person or business would do, to ensure they are not opening themselves up to further attempts to be taken advantage of and distancing themselves from this person and their behaviour. 

And people wonder why management have issues with the forums. These are some of the people they deal with. Not the best motivation to make things better 

44 minutes ago, nycgunner said:

Well said and totally agree. I had some sympathy initially, but this is just stalker-like behavior.  Also, who has time for all of this bullshit?

Naming your child Axl is legit scary.  Axl and TB may need to look into a restraining order

That very well may be the next step here. Especially if he gets caught and arrested. Guy needs to take a step back and reassess what’s really important here 

3 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Smart move 10/10

He better have a motive here....otherwise this is utterly stupid to announce 

4 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. 

He’s getting a slap on the wrist compared to being possibly bankrupted by legal fees/damages. That’s if they or more importantly the Label/RIAA don’t pursue anything against him. If they do, I’d feel bad for the guy and his family. That’s not a situation to take lightly. I don’t think anyone here wants that for him. We’re just stating the reality. 

The leaks are great for this community. I’m sure the majority would support the band in any official way. It doesn’t seem to affect the band outside of this circle. However being public about your involvement and possible intentions isn’t the best strategy to go about it. Everyone knew and was using his name publicly within a few hours of his update.

It’s a situation where you’re allowed to feel multiple ways about it. I hope for Rick this is the extent of it. If I were to give advice, I’d say just accept it and move on. Don’t poke the bear. If you must attend shows, get seats off the floor and don’t line up pre show at the gate. Head in around show time with the masses and you prob won’t be caught 

1 minute ago, Axl2002 said:

If Guns would release more music in a official way nobody would care about those leaks. I think it´s Axls own fault.

Come on 11 years since the last records without a single new song. How can you justify that. Why not releasing an

EP before touring in 2019 again. He is so afraid of failure it seems to me. I wish the old axl would come back

who didn`t give a fuck about what other people or the Critics think. Even Tool and The Who Releases new albums

Ehhh...I think we’d at least all be still interested here even if there were more music. At least I would hope. 

The question is would management or the band care as much about songs from sessions that were from 4 album cycles ago? That while possibly not being tied to a label/contract where they could just release them without much notice.

On 10/10/2019 at 9:09 AM, SoulMonster said:

But they would likely contest that and be able to prove you are wrong. 

Those songs have already long been copyrighted even if not released/or have lyrics. They have rhythmic and melodic structure even as instrumentals. In any copyright case it comes down to proving an argument that the offending party has heard your work. In this case that’s pretty open/shut here 

3 minutes ago, username said:

In fairness that was almost-as released material right when a release was going to happen. These are 20 year old demo's by another band and fuck GnR for all of a sudden "having a release planned". I have 0 sympathy for them on this one. 

Those leaks definitely didn't help in that it was most of the album and so close to the release date. Also streaming the entire album on Myspace a week beforehand was probably a mistake. Anyone who was vaguely interested had heard some version of the songs by the time it was released. Certainly a different environment both in the situation and in how the music industry operates this time around...

The fact that there was no promotion/strategy by the Artist/Label coming off yet another cancelled tour being near the top of that list. They took a year off before going on tour to support it. Could an effort there have at least helped mitigate the loss seen from piracy? There were a lot of variables looking from the outside that contributed to how the album performed past the first week and overall. 

I believe Big Champagne (who held stats on torrents) said the album was a popular downloaded albums during that time span. People were interested. They just didn't capitalize on swaying public opinion that version of the band should be supported. 

Just now, estranged_85 said:

Exactly this. That dude knew exactly what could happen and he luckily just got away with a ban from shows and not his life ruined in court. 

You can legally buy the CDs. That’s not the issue. You just just have no rights to make copies and distribute. Being public about it puts you on their radar. When the content becomes available that’s the first place to look

The ban is essentially that they don’t want to see him around. Which is fair imo considering all of the bs the situation is creating. Im sure there are multiple ways to go about it to make that known/felt besides legal action and press fall out. 

I’m sure he can get a ticket from other sources and sit somewhere else to go unnoticed but it probably won’t be the same experience. They don’t want to see him upfront or in VIP 

Just now, Gordon Comstock said:

When these songs leaked, nobody outside the forums gave a shit.

I played the songs for some friends when they leaked, and they liked the songs, but they didn't know about them and didn't care about tracking them down online. One of those same friends texted me a link to the article earlier today though... TB has fucked up yet again by not only bringing significantly more attention to the leaks, but making themselves and the band look like petty fools.

Ehhh I think that’s music in general in 2019. If it’s not readily available to stream it’s not worth the effort. That’s just reality outside of the fanbase 

23 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said:

Actually, every single leaked track from the last month contains a portion of The General. Find them and put them together to unlock the song. 

They’re all the General just like every song is about Slash.

Therefore The General is Slash

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Ugh... What a shitty spot for the forum to be in. 

This sounds a shitty position for everyone associated. 

Good luck to you guys