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11 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I think a polished version of this song, with the same upbeat tempo and sound, would do well in today's pop-rock market. It just needs to be cleaned up a bit, maybe add in another solo to break it up, and include some more verses in lieu of the repeated chorus.

What is today's "pop/rock" market, and why in the living hell should any of us care how future songs would chart? I don't get that line of thinking in 2019 for determining success. There are many other attributes. One being people not taking a pee break when it gets played live and actually recognizing a song. 

5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm flat out stunned that the music press hasn't picked this up. 

If it were the 20CD set or even an unreleased album all at once it surely would. Snippets and one song at a time doesn't move the needle in 2019 unfortunately 

Something tells me a lot of these songs with intros are supposed to sequence with other songs 

For example, the intro to atlas kind of goes with TWAT. The intro to Hard School kind of falls in line Atlas, etc...

2 minutes ago, Stro said:

Lol at Slash not wanting to make Soundgarden/Pearl Jam/more ballads then going on to form VR and do a bunch of STP songs, and all the stuff Axl was writing that wasn't Buckethead driven songs (which came after slash's replacement was replace) sounds like it could have been on UYI 3 in 1993. Obviously the musical differences was not the real issue between those two and that part of the break up history can probably be retired.

The difference from afar looks more like Axl wasn’t in writing mode/wanted to flesh out songs to get inspired and Slash wanted to lay down his riffs and get on the road. Prob more wrong time/wrong place for them in their lives at that point to be working together.

If Slash was locked in rehearsals/studio for years on end for an Axl approved album, it probably would have killed him before it was finished  

Just now, GNRfanJen said:

$50 for a bag. A bag. 

And a shirt and hat. Not outrageous 

Maybe this is also a subtle shot at the forums for airing the “dirty laundry” via leaks 

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I have no idea what TB or GN'R are thinking but I sure as shit just received an email from the GNR store trying to sell me.......I SHIT YOU NOT.........a GN'R branded LAUNDRY BAG. W T F 

Saw that...They also may be clearing out some inventory by including a hat and a shirt. That might be a good sign

6 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

Well he tried to have catchy choruses on a lot of songs, he just failed to create a single one. He wanted to do everything in one album and failed

There are multiple songs that have just simple refrains. What are you talking about? 

3 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

There're exactly 0 hits on that '00 album. Not a single one. And remember at that time there were a lot of huge rock anthems. Which of those songs could compare to Californication, Time Of your Life, In The End, Everlong, Bitter Sweet Symphony etc etc I'm not talking just about quality, I'm talking about potential to be a hit. Exactly 0ž

Would they be played more than in the '08? Sure, but there're 0 big hits there and GnR should be compared to the other rock giants

You think Axl was going for that? Sounds like he was going for a melting pot of influences from the entire decade. More Ok Computer era Radiohead than freaking Nimrod era Green Day 

1 minute ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

Just wondering where the holy grail of CD session demos is at? People waited 20 years, thinking this would be some type of opus. Maybe I’m being dramatic. I love hearing new Axl takes, but the tracks so far don’t really pull me in; minus the CD version with Josh. Killer bass in that song

I think it’s obvious that some of these leaks were a work in progress mix wise let alone even finished recording. None of it has been mastered. So it’s tough to make such final judgements and compare them against released material. That’s not exactly fair  

10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

It has a lot of changes, verses, bridges, with no discernible chorus or hookline. It rather is difficult to comprehensibly grasp.

Sometimes with those types of songs it benefits if you actually stop and start again within a section and give a chance to reset what you’re listening too. This song could benefit from a few breaths 

Obviously not a final mix. I’d be interested to see if a good one takes it to another level. There’s a lot to play in there dynamically to make certain parts stand out. 

It actually fits nicely between There Was A Time and Catcher on my 99/00 playlist.  

Just now, nycgunner said:

Have any music journalists picked up this story?  Surprised given Hard School is the first new Axl song in 11 years. 

No one cares. Now if 20 unreleased songs leaked? Yeah that’s news worthy. Question if people actually go through the trouble of downloading. Everyone is on to streaming and that stuff won’t hit YouTube 

4 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

So far I haven't heard a good hook on the leaks of this song. A lot of Axl's epics from that era are light on riffs and hooks.

Prob what the record company told him in 99/2000. So they went and brought in Buckethead and redid a lot of the guitars. My opinion is that those songs didn’t need riffs. There’s enough going on texturally to be interesting 

It’s unfortunate because you know down the line, if it turns out that certain individuals are the only ones to possess some long lost source material, they are also the ones who will most likely ask for an exorbitant amount of $ from the band and purposely kill any chance of stuff from even being officially released.

6 minutes ago, TeeJay410 said:

I swear to God Axl could just put out his favorite version tomorrow on Bandcamp, and we would all buy it this is so fucking stupid. We just want the fucking music because we are fans why is this so fucking hard you wouldn't need to sue everyone if you just put out music.

UMG would have something to say about that. They need to agree to release it and it won’t be on Bandcamp 

1 hour ago, D.. said:

But from a pure musical point of view... I feel Axl needed to be angry & disappointed & betrayed to write his best lyrics and sing his best. Just being honest here, I know it sounds harsh.

He's at his best when he's depressed. Which is the case of any true artist. You only write your best material when there's a urge, when you're fucked, when you're desperate, when you're anything but happy.

I think Axl writes what he knows and his version of what he believes to be the truth. Whether that’s LA in 1986, the double edged sword of success, breakups, etc... he doesn’t just write about those topics, he tells it from his experience.

So unless he has something that affects him personally in his life, the songs probably dry up 

56 minutes ago, Blue Phoenix said:

I'm not quite convinced that that's true. For me, these are rough mixes so will not sound as clean as a final track.

The mixes here are probably very close. The difference between these and a “clear” final track is mastering. That’s how everything sits in its own frequency range 

6 hours ago, Amir said:

Axl didn't lay vocals down for Shackler's until 2007, I'm guessing Sorry, Scraped and TIL didn't get vocals until around '06/'07 either. Crazy to think how they went back and forth between thirty-odd songs.

Having 30 odd songs isn’t unheard of for making an album. Many pick the best that are completed, aren’t repetitive and seem to go together. Recording/working on all 30 plus past a demo stage is though.  If there truly is other A list material that was in completed form, that’s also maniacal 

On 8/29/2019 at 1:31 AM, jamillos said:

So here we go. Somebody make a poll or something: 

In its place...

A storm is lived in 
A storm we live in 
A storm is lifting 
A stormy lifting 
A storm is lifted 

Any more? 
 

Hear it as a storm we lived in. It would make sense within the context of the song. All past tense and someone who was close 

Just now, estrangedtwat said:

You overestimate our importance.   We're what....a few thousand people?  And only a handful of us bothered to buy that overpriced box of shit, too.

 

We're nothing....we would barely fill up a section of a concert hall.  They wouldn't give a shit if everyone reading this right now never spent another dime.  They have millions of soccer moms and old men around the world that will pay money just to hear AFD live over and over again, and buy shirts and keychains and onesies for their stupid kids.  They don't need us and they don't need to release new music.  They're raking in the cash just fine.

Which is why they should be focused on growing this sector. That’s how you sell 10,000 box sets 

2 minutes ago, Edward Nygma said:

What do you mean...operating under a record contract from the '90s?

They’re still under a contract that originates from the 90’s. So when it comes to releasing music, there are advance structures that are in place with when fans actually bought music. There’s a process outlined how music is submitted for release and what constitutes a label accepting it. They pretty much need lawyers to negotiate anything at this point. It’s a little more complicated than just throwing something up on Spotify like many artists can do today. It comes down to $ and both parties want their share 

1 minute ago, Towelie said:

Treat em mean, keep em keen. I think that's Team Brazils motto when it comes to the fans.

And lets face it, we're all suckers for it.

You get a sense that they sort of despise this sector of the fanbase. I get it in some fashion. We’re nuts. We’re annoyingly loud at times and take up a small fraction of what puts buts in seats. 

However, this is the sector that buys crazy stuff, will follow anything new they want to do, and will champion on their behalf if given the go ahead. If they sincerely want to move forward with new material and keep playing big venues, eventually they will need fans like us out there shouting from rooftops. 

They should be looking to grow this sector and more importantly nurture it. Then maybe perhaps you’d have better control over its behavior. This goes way beyond just releasing new music. That’s what happens when fans see things as a mutually beneficial relationship. It does happen elsewhere at big levels 

7 minutes ago, Gackt said:

Hope there were no casualties here after Axl woke up to shoot a bootlegger.  

I hope TB is watching these threads to see there's a lot of interest in hearing these songs.  Open the vault, put them out there even as just a bandcamp download and make some money on them.

Even if they wanted to do that, UMG would have to agree to release it...They’re operating under a record contract from the 90’s in 2019. That’s the main issue I see from afar with stuff like this. 

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

For sure. I did something similar with the stems and there's just so much buried in the final mixes. I know the synths were there, I just couldn't find a good balance for them in my mix. They're mixed really well on this version IMO. 

Yeah kind of get the feeling that the 99-01 version was going to lean on layer of effects and go for something sonically. Then when it was given to the label they must have gotten a sense that “these songs need a Slash. GNR is a guitar band, etc...”

So they went out and grabbed Bucket and made it a monster guitar header attack of a band. Instead of stripping everything back and starting completely over, they just added on top. At that point, just scrap Pittman’s work and bring him out on the road to fill things out.