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Just now, Azifwekare said:

If it's a case of Universal spending $14 mil to supposedly record a trilogy of albums, and Axl was demanding even more as an advance to just hand over the other two albums, I'm not suprised they told him to fuck off.

They prob borrowed from the other future advances on some of it later on in the process. However there’s no way they took all of it. 

Even if it were just 1- 2 million left on the advance for album #2, it wouldn’t make sense for the label to release when it might move 150k units. Theyd want a piece of your touring, merch, etc... which wasn’t going to happen. That’s all changed now that Slash/Duff could be involved  

If the contract stipulates you get an advance to release a record, why shouldnt he demand it? That’s the deal they signed back in the 90’s

18 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

That would be logical in any other case, but the most puzzling thing is that all of the material was already recorded, so that would have been included on the $14 mil spent on recording, and the label made that money back instantly with the Best Buy deal, so releasing CD2 or even CD3 would only be easy money.

...unless, Axl really needed to have Ashba re-record all of Robin's parts, in which case I understand why the label rejected it.

It's more likely that the label had simply humoured Axl by letting him finally put out his pet project, and afterwards were interested in nothing other than a reunion.

Doesnt  matter if the stuff was recorded during those sessions. Plenty of artists use leftover recordings from previous album cycles. In most record contracts during that time, a new release means a new advance. 

Who knows how that contract was reconstructed over the years, but those advances for each record are escalating numbers in most cases. Even if renegotiated in the early 2000’s,,it’s still a different landscape come 2010-2016. It could very well the number was too high for the label to continue on

Universal definitely didn’t have a “free release” with no money to put upfront. That never happens 

I believe they wanted to release the material. However they were prob stuck with the label in trying to negotiate a release strategy and more importantly both parties trying renegotiate a new advance.  

It wasn’t released because they were prob too far apart there. GNR wasn’t going to release a new record without a substantial  advance, and the label prob didn’t want to pay the advance stipulated in their older contract as the industry had changed considerably in what they’d recoup in just album sales. They prob wanted to dip their hands in touring rev to pay that number which would of been a nonstarter 

I could see the label “rejecting” material in that situation so they weren’t burden with the costs that had already been written off through the years and w the Best Buy deal 

45 minutes ago, Dean said:

Do Guns need permission to play other music between acts before they hit the stage? I always thought they could play whatever they wanted. However, they may have reached out for permission to use the LT intro on a potential live release...?

They can play anything they want live

They can release whatever they want with audio

They need permission to release it with video.

They can have someone up there that you can see doubling bass, guitar, adding synths, background vocals etc... 

They can also have that person behind the stage playing instruments to make the band sound bigger than they are as an illusion

The last option is they have all that stuff pre recorded and piped through the PA

Which one would you rather have? 

They’re most likely not releasing an album until it’s time for a new major world tour. It makes no sense to release new music at their level without getting on the road for 2-3 yrs again

If anything gets released before the time for that type of commitment, it’s something to holdover or prob something else to facilitate a shorter run of shows 

Whoever they brought in were musicians doing studio work. Could have been part of a local orchestra that rehearsed with each other, or could have been a random collection of musicians that someone brought in. Those people don’t necessarily need to be credited. It’s paid work for hire 

As far as other recordings, studio trickery has been done many times before. Live albums get touched up in the studio on a lot of releases by many artists. Uncredited studio musicians do get used from time to time to play other members work, however it’s usually done for budget reasons if the player can’t play or they can’t get a quick useable take without the budget being blown.

As far as SOYL, the only reason they’d do something like that is if the original tapes weren’t useable. I find it hard to believe they’d go to that length and re-record the foundation of an old song for a reissue campaign if that we’re the case. You’re listening to a 30 yr old tape that was meant to be a demo that has been polished up with compression, eq, and mastering in 2018

For this entire process, Axl Slash and Duff have taken things step by step. If they are indeed releasing only a cover at first, it would align with how they’ve approached things thus far w the reunion. It gets them in the studio for a GNR project that has limited level of stress and gives a taste at how the process could work moving forward to something bigger. 

They’ve also used covers in the past to get things kicking in the studio for their own material. if it’s true and happens, just hope it’s better than how things went with Sympathy for the Devil

3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I hear ya. I just get uppity about this because Axl ranting on Twitter really doesn't mean all that much. However, he COULD put those opinions into the lyrics of GN'R songs and a whole lot more people would take notice.

I honestly don't care one way or the other about politics. I'm not saying what I'm saying because I disagree with Axl. I neither agree with nor disagree with him. I just made a post so I'm not sure if the forum will merge it, but just in case, here's the part that applies to what you're saying: Axl ranting on Twitter really doesn't mean all that much. However, he COULD put those opinions into the lyrics of GN'R songs and a whole lot more people would take notice.

If it lights a spark for a reason to say something new, that’d be great. It seems like his songwriting comes from life experiences. Whether that’s living on the street, the perils of fame, or decades worth of writing about overcoming breakups

Hearing a record centered around his new experiences or views with what’s going on around him would certainly be something else if that’s the direction 

55 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm well aware of the definition of "sticking it to the man". What I asked was how exactly Axl is doing that. All he's doing is running his mouth on Twitter, which literally anyone can do. "Sticking it to the man" usually requires some sort of actual action. 

Unlike “anyone”,  people pay attention to what he has to say. His words carry more weight than some random twitter egg. Artists certainly have used their voice beforehand in certain situations and this is no different

Now you may certainly disagree with his stance and what he has to say. However, he certainly hasn’t been a stranger to voicing opinions publicly beforehand. Axl’s “rants” have been a part of the band/public life for decades

57 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Surprised that one worked when ever I ask if there is anything out the back in any store it's an immediate nope everything is  out! 

From my own experience stocking shelves back in the day, you gotta ask someone who is in the act of stocking, preferably in the department. Mostly because they’ll remember seeing it in the back. They’d love an excuse to take a walk to break up the monotony.

If they’re walking around from somewhere else in the store or in the process of running around for anything else it becomes an added task and they might give you that line.  

Picked one up last night. They didn’t have anything out on the floor, so i asked someone working in the ever decreasing media section if there were any in the back 

1 hour ago, igorsr said:

Well,as you can see all rock bands works till the end of life...Rollingstones,U2,AcDC,Bon Jovi,Metallica,GNR...

A lot of times, they keep touring to help support everyone behind the scenes and make sure they have work. Bands at that level provide a good number of jobs and the best way to take care of your people is to get out on the road. Bonus if you actually enjoy playing shows live like those artists as well as the good payday 

16 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Didn't Pitman also sue him for nonpayments due to financial difficulties?

There’s a difference between the legal band entity supposedly being cash poor and Axl. His personal finances are separate than what’s in the business coffers and he’s not really obligated to refill them personally. Especially if they’d just go out on the road to make up the difference (which seemed to be the answer to all of this multiple times)

All these net worth sources are bs. Not to say they didn’t make $ over the years, but there are a ton of hands in the pockets in all aspects of a band’s revenue before it gets divided into someone’s account 

It’s not a surprise that they barely broke even on the UYI tour through 2 years. Ticket prices weren’t as pricey and the splits with promoters weren’t the same.  Shows were essentially still seen at some level as promo opportunity to help boost album sales and to help procure big renegotiated advances from the label.

There was a ton of overhead outside of those lavish parties to make those shows happen.  While they certainly didn’t help the bottom line, it’s quite telling that they were seen as a hinderance to what they were taking home each night 

49 minutes ago, 3rd Wheel said:

This might not be the actual first time but for me it's the first time I've ever seen a quote from Slash, Axl, or Duff where they basically say, "Yeah, we tried to get the AFD lineup back together and would've probably kicked Frank and/or Fortus to the curb to make it happen, but it didn't happen so here we are."

You also have to remember at first there were only contracted to get together for those few shows in Vegas/Coachella. They very well could have revamped the lineup later or gone back to their own projects afterwards. Especially if the prospect of working with Izzy/Steven long term after going through the process was thought to be too much handle. Nothing was guaranteed 

52 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Definitely Goldstein. Could he also be talking about Yoda? 

Seeing as though they weren’t in the most stable mental state when they hit big and it got worse as the years progressed, it prob became much easier for those in power to manipulate individuals and generate scenarios that either they thought it benefited the band or possibly themselves/industry connections to help further their own career. 

It could have went as far as pitting members against each other to facilitate their agendas by the end. Whether they ultimately had good intentions for everyone overall or not. The amount of trust an artist relies on in those situations is staggering at times.  

5 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said:

Big three decided, Steven filled in and nailed Frank. I guess he wasn't forced to play to the click. 

 

No pyro/screens/lights etc. at the Apollo show. Sorry guys, what you're trying to say is so far from the truth that I won't even bother explaining it anymore.

Steven didn’t play to a click. They wouldn’t force him to in that situation. That’s if Steven could even play to one to begin with. Guest spots are a bit different and they adjust

The Apollo show doesn’t mean they throw out how they’ve performed/rehearsed 100’s of shows beforehand. It would be idiotic to do something different than their normal routine in that space. They simply played their rehearsed set. That’s the show 

36 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said:

He did, numerous times. Brent has Adler's feel and Sorum's technical abbilities. I wouldn't say Todd is better than Duff and Frank Sidoris better than Fortus, but I must say that Brent is totally outperforming Frank and I know plenty of people here will agree. I'm also 100% sure that if something happens to Frank, Slash will call Brent to fill in. 

It's not about Frank being bad drummer, he's great. He's just not gravitating towards Steven's or Matt's style and that kind of drumming he provides doesn't fit AFD/UYI songs. His drumkit sounds weird and he makes too much fills, especially on November Rain and Estranged. I bet he'd be great at some swing/jazz stuff, GNR though? I don't know, he should change his way a bit. And it has nothing to do with Slash/Duff coming back to the band. 

That’s Slash’s band. Duff has not much to say about how the song is rehearsed there. GNR today plays to a click and it’s all synced to video, pyro, etc.. they also have different FOH engineer and production across the board. It’s purposely paced for their time slot.  It’s just not comparable and a completely different show with different hierarchy 

if you want to nitpick on fills and that they don’t sound completely like the original, that’s on you. It’s a live show.  

27 minutes ago, Ralphelmo said:

This argument is invalid as Slash plays GNR songs with another drummer and everything sounds much better.

Does he play them with duff too? Totally different environment on multiple levels 

No. It’s pretty obvious that he’s playing the songs the way they want him to. If you are nitpicking issues it’s prob more of Duff/Slash thing. They are trying to pace the show for 3hrs and Frank is doing his part to fit in there and give them space to play. No one is there to see him, or to try and replicate the other former members sense of swing/timing. That’s not what they are trying to do in a arena show in 2018. The focus is on the Big 3 and it’s their show 

He’s a good drummer. He can play to a click as that’s the way they want to run things these days. There’s a lot going on outside of Franks playing between his sticks and what you hear out of the PA or soundboard. 

Maybe if they’d brought in Matt, he’d be more vocal about how he’d like things. However that seems to be a sense of conflict going back to the VR days. Maybe Steven would give them that swing. However that may detract from what they want to do on a stage show level with video, lighting, pyro etc...Not to mention the other issues 

Seems like they’re just at the point of wanting to play with who they like. Not who the fans or the message boards believe they should be working with. As well it should be. It’s their band and that’s the way things have been throughout their history 

15 hours ago, appetite4illusions said:

What is an interesting question is would Slash have played something differently had he never heard the Bucket or Finck solos?

For instance, Robin has a really cool and smooth blues solo on Better, it's one of his best melodic moments on the album. When Slash approaches that solo, he doesn't do nearly the same thing, opting instead for something that is a little more brash and shrill, but is he approaching it that way because he's trying to be different from the other guy?

Had he never heard what the other person did, would his approach to it be something that was similar, like a sweet blues solo?

Prob. The thing with those players, especially Finck, is that it’s not only technically challenging at times but the phrasing is totally out of right field in parts. The way things hit a climax and how they either bend notes or fast scale runs are completely different than how Slash would approach things.

It’s like trying to speak a sentence back to someone in a different language. You can either do your best to mimic the words/sounds you just heard or you can just sort of say in your own way what the translation is. The latter prob has more conviction and understanding coming from you personally 

58 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

well i would sorta respect him if he said something like "i don't wanna say nothing about izzy" instead of trying to bullshit everyone and look good

Let’s be honest. Refusing to answer a question outright would get just as much flack. Or he could of said beforehand that Izzy is off limits and people would complain that the question was never asked. Damned if he does or doesn’t I guess...He’s a pro. He gave an answer that was a non answer. The interviewer picked up on that cue and then moved on. 

It’s a 2 hr interview with lots of stuff that I never heard before. They recorded November Rain live on the floor with piano. That’s nuts. 

37 minutes ago, bigpoop said:

Why not? What is the big goddamn deal about dealing with issues directly?  

Not everything in life is demanded to be answered upon. Everything is not an open book. So yeah if he doesn’t want to delve into the business side of how things went down, that would be pretty consistent with how things have played out so far

59 minutes ago, bikka said:

I guess I didn't make my point clear, yes, he's free not to answer that question. But the way he does it speaks volumes (too me at least). There was a lot of talking here on the forums about who is really to blame for the deal with Izzy not coming through - who was more "unreasonable" so to speak. I tended to think both parties were guilty... But if that were the case why would Duff talk like this? I mean, he has to resort to excuses like: my wife had to tell me what they said about us on SM, I didn't know. Like hell he didn't at least peek on SM to see how their "last great mystique" about the line up worked out! Like hell he was only focusing on reheasals and not interested on what the money deals/machinations were! Really, he tells that crap just after talking about how he took up bussiness classes to learn about the money part of show biz! That's why I said it puts them in bad light...

Who’s to say who’s at fault? Sometimes things don’t work out. Has to make sense for everyone involved. They could all very much be on speaking terms right now. Doesn’t mean they have to work together, nor does it mean Duff has to answer questions that could splinter a relationship.  

Saying he went to business school to make sure he wasn’t getting screwed/take over his personal wealth seems to be the extent of what he talks about on that subject. There seems to be a line there that’s been pretty consistent over the last few years. Doesn’t really delve into GNR biz stuff. What’s interesting to us may be a bore to him that takes away time from things he’d rather be doing