ZoSoRose Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Looks fucking awesome. Who cares if Blofeld Is Bond's you know what?And was that Mr. White? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Looks fucking awesome. Who cares if Blofeld Is Bond's you know what?And was that Mr. White?It's lazy storytelling that serves no real purpose and if anything it weakens the previously established relationship between Bond and Blofeld.Blofled being responsible for the death of Tracy Bond on her wedding day was powerful storytelling. It accounts for Bonds single-minded determination to hunt down Blofled and kill him. Every hero needs an arch enemy. It also offers explanation towards Bond's subsequent attitude to women and his commitment issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I would prefer a story not connected to Bond's past. Skyfall did the 'past' thing and the series reset itself in the final scene of Skyfall. I would have liked a case-by-case thing. Why has Craig got to be mentally tortured all the time. Let him, just be Bond, for awhile, shag some birds, sip some Martinis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming.The adding another layer thing is getting redundant now. - First Le Chiffre, Mr. Green, Mr. White, Silva, adding another new villain before Blofeld is just dragging the arse out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Some of the problem here is that they made such an arse over the Quantum/Mr White thing in the second film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming. The adding another layer thing is getting redundant now. - First Le Chiffre, Mr. Green, Mr. White, Silva, adding another new villain before Blofeld is just dragging the arse out of it.Silva didn't have anything to do with Quantum/SPECTRE that we know of, but your point is still valid. Some of the problem here is that they made such an arse over the Quantum/Mr White thing in the second film.Just because the film was a bit of a mess doesn't mean they fucked up Quantum/ Mr. White. We still know relatively little about both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming. The adding another layer thing is getting redundant now. - First Le Chiffre, Mr. Green, Mr. White, Silva, adding another new villain before Blofeld is just dragging the arse out of it.Silva didn't have anything to do with Quantum/SPECTRE that we know of, but your point is still valid.Some of the problem here is that they made such an arse over the Quantum/Mr White thing in the second film.Just because the film was a bit of a mess doesn't mean they fucked up Quantum/ Mr. White. We still know relatively little about both. Quantum and Silva are part of Spectre according to the leaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming. The adding another layer thing is getting redundant now. - First Le Chiffre, Mr. Green, Mr. White, Silva, adding another new villain before Blofeld is just dragging the arse out of it.Silva didn't have anything to do with Quantum/SPECTRE that we know of, but your point is still valid.Some of the problem here is that they made such an arse over the Quantum/Mr White thing in the second film.Just because the film was a bit of a mess doesn't mean they fucked up Quantum/ Mr. White. We still know relatively little about both.Sort of. In the sense that Dominic Green (and La Chiffre) was just a stooge of Quantum I can see your point. But you can tell they wanted to avoid Quantum like a fart in a restaurant for Skyfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Unless they've changed gears and Oberhauser isn't actually Blofeld but a link towards getting to Blofeld. I wouldn't mind if they took the family connection as a way of trying to brainwash Bond to join SPECTRE. There were many instances of brainwashing Bond in the novels so it'd be a welcome piece of Fleming. The adding another layer thing is getting redundant now. - First Le Chiffre, Mr. Green, Mr. White, Silva, adding another new villain before Blofeld is just dragging the arse out of it.I doubt any of the villains outside of Quantum were intentional layer adding to an eventual appearance of Blofeld/SPECTRE. While it's true that they will probably now try to connect all the Craig villains it's kind of a retrospective criticism. Le Chiffre is the villain in the Casino Royale novel with a connection to SMERSH, but only in his same little role as a banker who loses his clients' funds. Silva was an original stand alone, even though that might change now. Nevertheless, there was no mention of Quantum in Skyfall so at the time it was probably to distance it but now they may attempt to rectify the angle and eventually make Blofeld happen.I suppose my overall point is that I doubt anybody watching Casino Royale at the time of release was thinking that it was a perfect set-up for Blofeld to return, so I don't think they've been dragging anything out. While people speculated at the time that Quantum could stand in for SPECTRE, there was nothing officially stated on the matter until the current film. Edited March 31, 2015 by James Bond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 True but my point stands, Spectre the film does not need to introduce another layer to the organisation if they decide to tie all of Craigs movies together. This movie should have Blofeld. It should be Waltz. If they make Waltz another decoy or villain behind whom Blofeld is hiding it will make it a bit tedious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 I see that, but that's not to say Blofeld won't be in the film even if it's not Waltz. That said, I'm pretty sure it'll be Waltz even if the actual revelation doesn't happen on screen in this film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would prefer a story not connected to Bond's past. Skyfall did the 'past' thing and the series reset itself in the final scene of Skyfall. I would have liked a case-by-case thing. Why has Craig got to be mentally tortured all the time. Let him, just be Bond, for awhile, shag some birds, sip some Martinis.Because they are tying to get women to see these movies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Give me Moore and an eyebrow.I am easily pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would prefer a story not connected to Bond's past. Skyfall did the 'past' thing and the series reset itself in the final scene of Skyfall. I would have liked a case-by-case thing. Why has Craig got to be mentally tortured all the time. Let him, just be Bond, for awhile, shag some birds, sip some Martinis.Because they are tying to get women to see these movies too.Because Barbara Broccoli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I would prefer a story not connected to Bond's past. Skyfall did the 'past' thing and the series reset itself in the final scene of Skyfall. I would have liked a case-by-case thing. Why has Craig got to be mentally tortured all the time. Let him, just be Bond, for awhile, shag some birds, sip some Martinis.Because they are tying to get women to see these movies too.Because Barbara Broccoli.15 years ago I'd totally "shag" her...of course she'd then go to jail for banging a 9/10 year old, but still. Also Diesel you're starting to sound like Miser, except replace Connery with Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 I would prefer a story not connected to Bond's past. Skyfall did the 'past' thing and the series reset itself in the final scene of Skyfall. I would have liked a case-by-case thing. Why has Craig got to be mentally tortured all the time. Let him, just be Bond, for awhile, shag some birds, sip some Martinis. Because they are tying to get women to see these movies too. Because Barbara Broccoli. 15 years ago I'd totally "shag" her...of course she'd then go to jail for banging a 9/10 year old, but still. Also Diesel you're starting to sound like Miser, except replace Connery with Moore. I'd probably still shag her to be honest. Maybe that's how Craig secured his open contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Barbara Broccoli struck gold with Daniel Craig, so she is going to keep him as long as she can. She has been with this series Octopussy, starting as an assistant director and moving on to production. I think Michael G. Wilson has been around much longer. Neither of them are going to get go Craig anytime soon. He is contracted for one more and they will probably attempt to get him to do another.GoldenEye was the first film they did without Cubby, he was too old and sick at the time. It was downhill from there until they realized they need to do their own thing instead of what Cubby did. So there you have more deep portrayals of James Bond with Daniel Craig. Mendes hasn't gone too far from the formula, you still see Bond banging girls and sipping martinis. Just enough with the Heinikin already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Barbara Broccoli struck gold with Daniel Craig, so she is going to keep him as long as she can. She has been with this series Octopussy, starting as an assistant director and moving on to production. I think Michael G. Wilson has been around much longer. Neither of them are going to get go Craig anytime soon. He is contracted for one more and they will probably attempt to get him to do another.I'm not entirely sure about the arrangement, but I see via the Sony email leaks (I didn't read anything, just in case) that they were bringing up Idris Elba. I'm assuming they have some sort of say in who plays Bond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 They can name any actor they want, final say goes towards Broccoli and Wilson. Sony just looks to secure the future of the series so they can make more money. Idris Elba's name has been thrown around for years, regardless, Craig is contracted for one more film and he has been an asset to the series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Idris Elba can be Bond and they can reboot Shaft with the guy who plays Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory as the title role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Barbara compared it to asking a bride at her wedding who her next husband will be. Neither her nor Michael denied that Elba would make a fine Bond, but I do think that's more of a Sony projection. Sometimes they'll keep an actor at the back of their minds (Dalton was on Cubby's mind for years, as was Brosnan) but many actors are always tested and final say is Barbara and Michael. Apparently the studio was sold on Henry Cavill for Casino Royale but Barbara chose Craig herself, a decision Martin Campbell supported. By the time Craig is actually done Elba might be too old to start anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Barbara compared it to asking a bride at her wedding who her next husband will be. Neither her nor Michael denied that Elba would make a fine Bond, but I do think that's more of a Sony projection. Sometimes they'll keep an actor at the back of their minds (Dalton was on Cubby's mind for years, as was Brosnan) but many actors are always tested and final say is Barbara and Michael. Apparently the studio was sold on Henry Cavill for Casino Royale but Barbara chose Craig herself, a decision Martin Campbell supported. By the time Craig is actually done Elba might be too old to start anyways.That's why I don't support Elba as Bond; he's only 3 years younger than Craig. I try to just not talk about the possibility of Idris Elba as Bond. Whenever you voice dissatisfaction someone always steps up and says some shit about how you must be racist because you don't want a black man as Bond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The point of that post wasn't to bring up Elba in particular, btw. I just used his name because those studio exec's were bringing him up.I'd prefer to keep Craig as long as possible. Not until he's Moore's age, but at least for another movie past his contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Fassbender! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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