SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Because to do so would be to admit that Axl lost the "war" in their eyes.I consider CD to be only a mediocre recordreally? Do I ever lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 wow, soulmonster's posts are filled with crap. the guy claims he considers CD mediocre, but i think he's just trying to disguise his crazy love for axl rose. that's just fanatism, in its most pure form.you slash fans are legitimately fucking insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (Snip.)So because we're not precisely aware of record exec's expectations, there is no way we can assess Chinese Democracy?Precisely? Are we even imprecicely aware of it? We vaguely know the total production costs but not whether the label expected all of those costs recuperated at the time of release.In that case, maybe Skyfall flopped? By your criteria, we cannot safely judge anything without precise executive intel. So who's to say MGM isn't crying over the Bond film only taking in $900+ million worldwide box office?I haven't said we need precise numbers to have an inkling of how something performed. That is your straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 wow, soulmonster's posts are filled with crap. the guy claims he considers CD mediocre, but i think he's just trying to disguise his crazy love for axl rose. that's just fanatism, in its most pure form.This is basically what I have been saying in this thread:- We can't know for sure whether CD flopped or not because we have no way of knowing what the expectations were, perhaps the label is happy with the overall, global sale as of today.- Selling 3 million units is great in this day and age.- I consider CD to be a mediocre album with some fantastic songs and some awful songs.Feel free to point out why any of these statements are "crap" or just continue to make a fool of yourself. Bonus point for arguing for why any of these claims (or any other claims I have ever made) suggests I "love axl rose". Now is your time to shine, maynard, or to just remain an irrelevant dilettante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisRoyalSweetness Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 the number of copies they printed is the number of copies they expected to sell. case closed. end of story. giant, unsolvable mystery: solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 the number of copies they printed is the number of copies they expected to sell. case closed. end of story. giant, unsolvable mystery: solved.What story did you end with that trivial piece of information and what mystery was now banally solved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 They might have thought it would sell 1.6 million copies in 5 years?i thought it would selk 10 mil in the first year. U win some u lose some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaGun Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 CD is one of my favorite albums ever....I still listen to it several times a week. Its a fixture in my CD player in the car. I could listen to CD, Street of Dreams, Madagascar, IRS and nothing else for a while. I dont get the hate for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The hate is because its not the og line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrph5 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think some may consider it a flop is how the entire process went down. When UYI came out, the hype was big, the wait was long, but it sold like crazt day one. Their was the video for YCBM, all sorts of songs were played on the radeo, etc. It didnt hurt that they were probably the biggest band at that time either. Even the SI album saw 2 songs (it aint fun, and hair of the dog) get radio play. Hair of the dog is still played today more than any "hit" from CD. When CD came out, only die hard Axl lovers, and us old timers who just wanted to hear some Axl coudnt wait. It my mind, it would do very well and make the new band popular. It kind of came and went with no major fan fare. I see the numbers of albums sold, etc, but most of them counted because best buy bought them. A few songs got radio play for a few months, but its back to the original songs from the original band. Even Axl still relies on the songs from his old band while touring. Sure, most of us on these boards love CD, but most outside the die hards dont. It was like people waited for ever to hear it, then were like, ok, lets hear PC,, and SCOM, those are gnr songs. there will never be a day 20 years from now, that TWAT is heard playing at a sports game, etc. So, the long winded answer is: for a few die hards that would have bought an album for happy birthday sand 12 differnent ways (me included), CD was great. But in the real world, it was mediocre at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumbleine Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 OP meant that CD was a success artisically.Axls private triumph.not saleswise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I don't think even Axl himself considers CD a triumph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I don't think even Axl himself considers CD a triumph.Does anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 many people here do.here are 8 reasons why it failed:http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/8-reasons-why-chinese-democracy-stiffed-185604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 many people here do.here are 8 reasons why it failed:http://www.musicrada...-stiffed-185604Yeah, the release in the US was seriously botched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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