ShadowOfTheWave Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Zakk clarifies: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/zakk-wylde-defends-his-comments-about-ronnie-james-dio-era-of-black-sabbath/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 He needs to clarify why he makes such horrid fucking music these days and his ridiculous appearance too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 the whole "band changes sound, should change name" shit is fucking retarded. he can "clarify" all he wants but it is utterly asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 He wants to do the next Ozzy album and tour so he is sucking up to the boss hehe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ozzy and Dio are definitely Sabbath. Can't stand the post-Dio era.Here my Sabbath list :Heaven & HellMaster Of RealityVol. 4ParanoidSabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageBlack SabbathThe Mob Rules13Technical EcstasyDeshumanizerNever Say Die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ozzy and Dio are definitely Sabbath. Can't stand the post-Dio era.Here my Sabbath list :Heaven & HellMaster Of RealityVol. 4ParanoidSabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageBlack SabbathThe Mob Rules13Technical EcstasyDeshumanizerNever Say DieWhy so low for Dehumanizer? I love it, and it's definitely the heaviest Sabbath album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ozzy and Dio are definitely Sabbath. Can't stand the post-Dio era.Here my Sabbath list :Heaven & HellMaster Of RealityVol. 4ParanoidSabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageBlack SabbathThe Mob Rules13Technical EcstasyDeshumanizerNever Say DieWhy so low for Dehumanizer? I love it, and it's definitely the heaviest Sabbath album.I never was into it, I think it sounds dated for the 90s. There's nothing memorable about the album (riffs, lyrics...), it did not have the same vibe, or anthems than H&H or Mob Rules had.Maybe i should try a full listen with fresh ears, any songs that are really worthwhile? I remember of It's Too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 It has Computer God, Time Machine, I, and TV Crimes. Those are the most worthwhile for me, but I enjoy the whole album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Ozzy and Dio are definitely Sabbath. Can't stand the post-Dio era.Here my Sabbath list :Heaven & HellMaster Of RealityVol. 4ParanoidSabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageBlack SabbathThe Mob Rules13Technical EcstasyDeshumanizerNever Say DieWhy so low for Dehumanizer? I love it, and it's definitely the heaviest Sabbath album. I never was into it, I think it sounds dated for the 90s. There's nothing memorable about the album (riffs, lyrics...), it did not have the same vibe, or anthems than H&H or Mob Rules had.Maybe i should try a full listen with fresh ears, any songs that are really worthwhile? I remember of It's Too late.Everything Zeppelin said, plus After All (The Dead) and I really dig Letters From Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 This might be the most emotion bran's ever shown.You've fuckin' done it now! What have i told you people, do not attempt to feed, pet or otherwise stimulate the dark lord! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 This might be the most emotion bran's ever shown.You've fuckin' done it now! What have i told you people, do not attempt to feed, pet or otherwise stimulate the dark lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I'm wondering how Live Evil & Speak Of The Devil were even able to be released. It comes off as a father vs daughter argument.For CBS Records, I could see them going "Black Sabbath never released a live album with Ozzy" to their advantage. Black Sabbath was sitting on hours of soundboard tapes, and when Ozzy was kicked out, they could have put any number of shows out. So while Ozzy's solo career was skyrocketing, Black Sabbath seemed to unravel when they should have been banding together. I think for the early 80s, putting old live tapes out wasn't an option for them.I still don't get when they had joint publishing, they didn't just sue each other from putting either of them out. I also wonder how Zakk felt about the re-recordings on Blizzard & Diary. Hopefully he's not that much of a suck up to agree with Sharon on why she did that. Edited January 20, 2014 by dalsh327 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Apparently, Ozzy himself was against the idea: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ozzy-osbourne-says-he-was-against-idea-of-replacing-original-tracks-on-blizzard-diary-lps/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hopefully he's not that much of a suck up to agree with Sharon on why she did that. He was all for egging Iron Maiden at Ozzfest. I can't understand that one either. You don't do that to your peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I love his work but you really shouldn't put much stock in what Ozzy says, he lies through his teeth about lots of stuff and I really don't believe he knew nothing about the rerecordings, or Diary Of A Madman crediting Sarzo and Aldridge as bass and drums when it came out(and many years afterwards)...or how he and Randy Rhoads wrote everything together etc without even a mention of Bob Daisley (who wrote the lyrics from The Blizzard Of Ozz through to No Rest...)or how he wrote everything on Bark At The Moon with one finger on a keyboard LOL (yes, he did claim that) and many other blatant lies.The truth is all he and Sharon care about is $$$, they don't care about the music (as evidenced by the cash in Ozzy albums post The Osbournes) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I love his work but you really shouldn't put much stock in what Ozzy says, he lies through his teeth about lots of stuff and I really don't believe he knew nothing about the rerecordings, or Diary Of A Madman crediting Sarzo and Aldridge as bass and drums when it came out(and many years afterwards)...or how he and Randy Rhoads wrote everything together etc without even a mention of Bob Daisley (who wrote the lyrics from The Blizzard Of Ozz through to No Rest...)or how he wrote everything on Bark At The Moon with one finger on a keyboard LOL (yes, he did claim that) and many other blatant lies.The truth is all he and Sharon care about is $$$, they don't care about the music (as evidenced by the cash in Ozzy albums post The Osbournes)bob daisley always gets shafted when it comes to that era of ozzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yep, Ozzy and Randy did it all It's unfortunate that RR isn't around to tell his side of the story, unfortunately he gets his wagon attached to Ozzy and Sharon and their revisionist history that is put about like fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Prefer Ozzy solo to Black Sabbath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Prefer Ozzy solo to Black Sabbath.Sometimes I like it, other times I can't stand how commercial it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I don't like or think Ozzy's done any quality solo stuff since the Bark at the Moon album save for a few songs on the No More Tears album 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I don't like or think Ozzy's done any quality solo stuff since the Bark at the Moon album save for a few songs on the No More Tears album Coincidentally the last album Bob Daisley was involved in. Edited January 21, 2014 by moreblack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Actually Bob was brought in with Steve Vai and Deen Castronovo and did a lot of early work on what ended up being Ozzmosis (never knew this until I read his book) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 i always quite liked ozzmosis. anyone see the last season of that metal show when they interviewed jake e lee? he went into some small detail about how he never got as much credit as he deserved on bark at the moon, and that he had the riff and most of the song done by the time he joined ozzy. here is an interview he did where he talked about it as well.ultimate classic rock: Having spent some time on the road with Ozzy on that tour, were you able to slip pretty comfortably into the collaborative process once you guys began the process of making what would become the ‘Bark at the Moon’ album?Jake E Lee: Yeah. Well, most of that was really me and Bob Daisley. Because Ozzy would show up and kind of play around with songs. I remember that I had the riff for ‘Bark at the Moon’ and I played that, and he said, “Oh, I love it — we’ll call that one ‘Bark at the Moon,’” because he already had the album title in mind. So he said, “That’s the one that’s going to be ‘Bark at the Moon.’” He’d come in with things like that and then he’d drink, and he’d either pass out or leave, which left just me and Bob. We’d stay in the studio and flesh out the songs. It was fun working with Bob. He wrote all of the lyrics, [and he’s] a great lyricist. So yeah, me and Bob, we had a good working relationship. It was fun doing that record. here is a part when asked he reconciled getting screwed over on writing credits for bark at the moon. ultimate classic rock: How did you reconcile that part of things? Jake E Lee: On ‘The Ultimate Sin,’ I did get credit because I got f—ed out of the first one. I was promised that I would get [credit]. Because I was young and I was in the middle of Scotland recording, I didn’t have a manager or a lawyer — it was just me. From the beginning, every musician, it’s always hammered into them, “Keep your publishing” and “Keep your writing.” So those were the only conditions that I had was “OK, I’m getting songwriting credit, right?” I was always assured that “Yes, I’m getting publishing — of course you are!” When I didn’t on the first record, it was upsetting. But I figured OK, what am I going to do? I got f—ed — what am I going to quit? We’re about to tour on a record that I finally got to make. There’s no problem for Ozzy to find another guitar player — am I just going to be that guy that played on that record, didn’t even get credit on the record and then refused to tour because I had a problem with Ozzy? No. I had to go out and tour. It would have been stupid not to. So I was only able to put my foot down at the end of the tour. “Let’s make another record” and I was like, “OK, but this time, you know what? I want the contract first before we start recording. I don’t want to be a dick, but I don’t want to get f—ed again either.” http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ozzy-bark-at-the-moon-lee-interview/ there was also that rather infamous time when sabbath and ozzy was still a little tense, ozzy went into some radio show and talked about how he wrote iron man and all that, and geezer basically in an interview called his bullshit on it, it was quite funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Haven't heard the Geezer one, ta.Jake and Bob received a "buyout" for their writing and performances on BATM instead of credits, due to some unspecified problem with their publishing and were supposed to receive additional amounts as the sales reached certain points.Bob mentions that "Spiders In The Night" came about thanks to Tommy Aldridge and Tommy deserved a credit on that, but there's Ozzy with his one finger.I had no idea Ozzy never wrote lyrics until I read an interview with Geezer while they were promoting Sabbath's Cross Purposes in 94... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So this shit with Ozzy not writing means Slash did write Crucify The Dead, so it is without a doubt 100% a message to Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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