BorderlineCrazy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 9 hours ago, blonde_illusion said: Susan has a swimsuit line, I think. I think she's very sweet, tbh. Just supporting her husband and stuff. But everyone's gonna hate on the girlfriends/wives/whatever. I really like Susan, she seems very sweet indeed and seems to care about Steven more than her husband 8 hours ago, Jane M. said: Not me, I love Perla She's in the ex's category now but whatever. Well, I LOVE Perla but I'm biased. I met her personally and she was absolutely wonderful to me, almost treated me as part of her family. I know a lot of people can't stand her 'cause she's pretty crazy and very outspoken but she has a really big heart IMO. 9 hours ago, blonde_illusion said: I agree, too. On the contrary, I find myself wary to state that I like Chinese Democracy because so many fans hate it, I don't want to be seen as a fake fan, or something. And I love most of the GNR albums, I really do. But CD was the first album I heard in it's entirety, but not the first songs I heard. Hey, don't think that. Personally, I don't consider CD to be GNR but I like the album as well. It's music and there's no reason why you couldn't like it. Many fans don't like what Slash, Duff, Izzy and/or Steven have done outside GNR, it's a matter of taste, there's no wright or wrong opinion. Don't be ashamed to express your opinion 1 hour ago, solstar said: Hello eveyone! Another newbie here! I´ve read the whole thread and I must say you guys are amazing! I´ve learnt an awful lot of stuff Anyways, I'm a bit lazy with posting but I love reading and I hope I can contribute from time to time. About the Steven issue, regardless of who's right and wrong, it juts saddens me they can't work things out. I was lucky to see Steven in BA and he was the highlight of the show - the audience just went wild with his appearance. The fact that he's not a bigger part of the reunion is everyone's loss imo. Also, what he said about Axl not knowing he was going to be in the first show in BA makes me wonder how this band communicates with one another. And how isolated Axl really is! Sorry about not tagging or anything. I still don't know how all this works (promise to learn) Hey, welcome!! I couldn't agree more, I was at both shows in Buenos Aires and those moments of Steven joining the band were the highlights for me as well. I was very happy to see the crowd was so interested in seeing him and so excited when he finally came out. The band didn't give a shit about it and took him out after one song (which was devastating to me) but I hope he felt our love and it meant something to him. About what you say of Axl being isolated and all that, here in Buenos Aires for some reason he was in a different hotel than the rest of the band. That was pretty weird and maybe it contributed to the misunderstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeIllusion Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said: I really like Susan, she seems very sweet indeed and seems to care about Steven more than her husband Well, I LOVE Perla but I'm biased. I met her personally and she was absolutely wonderful to me, almost treated me as part of her family. I know a lot of people can't stand her 'cause she's pretty crazy and very outspoken but she has a really big heart IMO. Hey, don't think that. Personally, I don't consider CD to be GNR but I like the album as well. It's music and there's no reason why you couldn't like it. Many fans don't like what Slash, Duff, Izzy and/or Steven have done outside GNR, it's a matter of taste, there's no wright or wrong opinion. Don't be ashamed to express your opinion Hey, welcome!! I couldn't agree more, I was at both shows in Buenos Aires and those moments of Steven joining the band were the highlights for me as well. I was very happy to see the crowd was so interested in seeing him and so excited when he finally came out. The band didn't give a shit about it and took him out after one song (which was devastating to me) but I hope he felt our love and it meant something to him. About what you say of Axl being isolated and all that, here in Buenos Aires for some reason he was in a different hotel than the rest of the band. That was pretty weird and maybe it contributed to the misunderstanding. You seem to be pretty nice, thanks for the response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jane M. said: Not at all. IMO, when he says so he's referring to that unfortunate incident with Erin, Axl's ex. Maybe Steven won't go into detail because he doesn't want to add more gas to the fire. Axl doesn't like him and I guess he tried to play nice and kumbaya with the rest of the guys at the beginning but as soon as Steven hurt his back he took that chance to kick him out, again. I don't think Steven was referring to the speedball incident, because he presented his firing as part of an Axl plan to take control, kick everyone else out and change the direction of the band by adding piano etc, and linked his case with the cases of the other members who quit later. It's Steven's truth (at least at this point, because he has changed his version a couple of times) and he believes it, but it doesn't mean it is the truth. It's true of course that Axl wanted to take control, but it isn't true 1) that he wanted to kick out the rest of the band and be left alone (even though his actions, to a large extent, eventually led to that), 2) that Steven's case was similar to Izzy's or Slash's; the control issue didn't have anything to do with Steven being put under a contract and subsequently fired; it was, by all other accounts and interviews (especially of that era), a collective decision, and Axl and Slash had their own reasons each for wanting Steven out of the band. It's also probably true that Axl doesn't like Steven, but it has been the other way around too in some form. Steven has always had this childlike love/hate (or more likely admiration/hate) thing towards Axl. 3 hours ago, solstar said: Hello eveyone! Another newbie here! I´ve read the whole thread and I must say you guys are amazing! I´ve learnt an awful lot of stuff Anyways, I'm a bit lazy with posting but I love reading and I hope I can contribute from time to time. About the Steven issue, regardless of who's right and wrong, it juts saddens me they can't work things out. I was lucky to see Steven in BA and he was the highlight of the show - the audience just went wild with his appearance. The fact that he's not a bigger part of the reunion is everyone's loss imo. Also, what he said about Axl not knowing he was going to be in the first show in BA makes me wonder how this band communicates with one another. And how isolated Axl really is! Sorry about not tagging or anything. I still don't know how all this works (promise to learn) Welcome My understanding from what Steven said is that he was supposed to play only at the second show, but he showed up at the first because his whole family was there and he wanted to play both shows. So he really wasn't expected to be there, but of course Axl didn't have to act like a dick because of that Edited February 19, 2017 by Blackstar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Thanks @Ubukitty @BorderlineCrazy and @Blackstar for the warm welcome! (I´ve finally found out how to tag yay ) 1 hour ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Hey, welcome!! I couldn't agree more, I was at both shows in Buenos Aires and those moments of Steven joining the band were the highlights for me as well. I was very happy to see the crowd was so interested in seeing him and so excited when he finally came out. The band didn't give a shit about it and took him out after one song (which was devastating to me) but I hope he felt our love and it meant something to him. About what you say of Axl being isolated and all that, here in Buenos Aires for some reason he was in a different hotel than the rest of the band. That was pretty weird and maybe it contributed to the misunderstanding. Right! Although I was talking more about a kinda mental isolation than a physical one. I mean, Axl supposedly didn't know that Steven was there that night, he supposedly didn't know that Duff or Izzy had tried to reach him in the past, just now he's even admitted that he didn't know McBob had made the Sydney mistake. What is up with that? He seems to be missing on an awful lot. Kinda worrying but annoying at the same time 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: Welcome My understanding from what Steven said is that he was supposed to play only at the second show, but he showed up at the first because his whole family was there and he wanted to play both shows. So he really wasn't expected to be there, but of course Axl didn't have to act like a dick because of that Right. The situation is really confusing actually. Granted we don't know what the arrangement actually was and who participated in it, but here in BA we fans figured Steven was going to be there - it was in the news, in the social media, it was no secret at all. He was spotted in the hotel where the band was staying and he went to the arena in the same van as the band, so Slash and Duff must have known he was going to play the first night. Also, if he had invited his whole family to the event, I reckon he must have been quite sure he was going to play. Again, he could have misundertood what the actual deal was, but even if that was the case, the rest of the band kinda played along with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frey Posted February 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Blackstar said: I don't think Steven was referring to the speedball incident, because he presented his firing as part of an Axl plan to take control, kick everyone else out and change the direction of the band by adding piano etc, and linked his case with the cases of the other members who quit later. It's Steven's truth (at least at this point, because he has changed his version a couple of times) and he believes it, but it doesn't mean it is the truth. It's true of course that Axl wanted to take control, but it isn't true 1) that he wanted to kick out the rest of the band and be left alone (even though his actions, to a large extent, eventually led to that), 2) that Steven's case was similar to Izzy's or Slash's; the control issue didn't have anything to do with Steven being put under a contract and subsequently fired; it was, by all other accounts and interviews (especially of that era), a collective decision, and Axl and Slash had their own reasons each for wanting Steven out of the band. It's also probably true that Axl doesn't like Steven, but it has been the other way around too in some form. Steven has always had this childlike love/hate (or more likely admiration/hate) thing towards Axl. Exactly. Honestly, what this entire interview has shown is that Steven still hasn't changed at all and still doesn't accept any responsibility in the way things played out. Saying he was kicked out because Axl wanted to kick everyone out and that it was unfair because the other guys were doing drugs too is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, the other guys were doing drugs too, but they didn't need a million takes to record one song or Duff constantly jumping in to help Steven out on and off stage. They were still functional and he was not, simple as that. Saying Axl wanted everyone out is even more ridiculous considering how badly he reacted to Izzy, Duff and especially Slash leaving. No reason to be constantly crying and suicidal if you got what you wanted. There's a case to be made for Axl wanting Steven specifically out, but again, Axl says he was the last to agree to firing Steven and that he's covering up and taking the blame for Slash's involvement in this. And honestly, I could absolutely see this being true. Slash doesn't have a good track record when it comes to Steven and even Duff came across as annoyed with Steven, both back then and more recently. 6 hours ago, Blackstar said: My understanding from what Steven said is that he was supposed to play only at the second show, but he showed up at the first because his whole family was there and he wanted to play both shows. So he really wasn't expected to be there, but of course Axl didn't have to act like a dick because of that No he shouldn't have reacted like that, but it's not exactly new or surprising, is it? Axl has always reacted badly when things didn't go according to (his) plan or something surprised him. He doesn't deal well at all with sudden changes or unforeseen events. And welcome to all the new people. Edited February 19, 2017 by Frey 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 6 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Well, I LOVE Perla but I'm biased. I met her personally and she was absolutely wonderful to me, almost treated me as part of her family. I know a lot of people can't stand her 'cause she's pretty crazy and very outspoken but she has a really big heart IMO. I love this. Thanks for sharing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Well, I LOVE Perla but I'm biased. I met her personally and she was absolutely wonderful to me, almost treated me as part of her family. I know a lot of people can't stand her 'cause she's pretty crazy and very outspoken but she has a really big heart IMO. Nice story! I kinda liked Perla too, she seemed to be like "what you see is what you get" and nothing else. Whatever, I don't really care about wives/gfs lives, but I always wonder what does Meegan think of all the things Slash said about her on his bio. Edited February 19, 2017 by Darkenchantress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alja Posted February 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2017 I am not on very latest gossip about what happened backstage and I cannot tell the true... but my little theory on isolated Axl. Fragment. ...when I started to by more interested to GNR music and personalities, long story (a bit) short, I was like whoa, if there is Axl, I was not dropped off on this planet alone. My biggest difference is that I was "born in the right side of town" and was mostly lucky with family, friends and teachers when growing up. I also never suffered with depression or other problem. So I`ll try to weave the way I see things with what I know about Axl. All my life I am odd. Weirdo. The one who is hard to understand, but smart and capable of extraordinary. The one who sees things that others can`t see and has problems with things obvious to others. I am (super)introvert in a world dominated by extroverts. I live in my head more than most of you. In world of ideas (where also art comes from). It`s a warm, safe place where since child I`d hide. Don`t mistake introversion with shyness and extroversion with exhibitionism. You can be shy, but love socializing like Slash. Or introverted frontman like Axl. I love performing. There is a lot of going on in my head what I want to share when it ripens. This theme of introverted perception (you need to spend time alone to have energy for socializing) goes like a thread across Axl`s lyrics and interviews many times (my personal fav is last part of "Patience", It`s hard to see with so many around...). The more I am shattered, the less people I want around. I can get really upset and aggressive, when they do not respect warnings and try to "heal me with socializing". I get "fishbowl sickness" when I cannot escape to get some alone time as one of the first in "fishbowl". "I like to be real private; you don`t always want everyone around you - even when they like you." -Axl. If I look at it retrospectively, many of his problems with people around came from this misunderstood trait. Mysterious few day disappearings, making private locked territory in otherwise crowded apartment, locking in hotel rooms... People don`t like it. They are suspicious you are avoiding them and they assume you detach because you feel yourself something more and things (it is also that vibe of extraordinary type of intelligence which is additionally suspicious. Young Axl is often described as having an aura of nobility in terms of both partying and meeting people who he does not like). Despite this, you can be humble, but need alone time when exhausted, shattered, frightened to death, overwhelmed, feel like being sucked by others (trust me, it is actual feeling when all the people want to meet you and touch you and hug you and grab a little piece of you. For people like me, mid-sized party with all that mingling and small talks most of you enjoy is major energy sucker. Nothing to do often. You can numb yourself for this with alcohol, meds, drugs, but with all the side-effects. Or spend most time with very few people and left many others offended and questioning). The thing is that until you find that your way is just rare, you feel bad about yourself. Like faulty piece, because all that works on others does not work for you and makes it even worse. Also trying to "act normal" worsens everything, and is major source of frustration and self-doubts and this spiral may go downward to suicidal-deep self-doubts (I say hello to so-called BabyAxl, guy I met on the rock bottom of his spiral who looks like young Axl and made me a GNR fan). So that`s it. You isolate yourself (or having a small company. We, introverts really enjoy deep conversations with few people we pick. Not too much people and not too often is pretty perfect) to maintain peace of mind and might the world around goes fast or whatever. It stays mysterious for me how Axl managed it through UYI tour alive and basically functioning. Most people create their ideas by sharing them with others (extroverts invented brainstorming), few polish them to the perfection inside alone and then put it out complete. New and complex ideas are most time something which you cannot put to words to discuss. Or you just don`t want to until they are not exactly the way you want them (perfectionists Axl, here we go). If your inner world is wider and more complex and things more connected than in others, you know it since child (mostly because you do weird things and find it difficult to explain your world, where all the weird things make perfect sense, to others. They often hate when you outsmart them. They will bully you if they can.). Artistic talent is by me be also connected with sensitive "antennas" to outer world. Imagine you have vivid inner world and add strong flow of what happens outside your head. You either must run back to get rest and process it alone, or it overflows you, resulting to nice emotional breakdown or tantrum or anything to loosen the emotion noise you have inside. You make mess. You break things. Hurt people. Hurt yourself. Or you suffer with big painful emptiness in the middle of your soul. Until you don`t learn to work with it and use brakes, you are cursed kid. It seems like extra-sensory (or total bullshit for people without it), but it isn`t. With so many around it can be messy and it needs huge work to make it "functioning sense" (when working, it is useful to pick people who need help, also somehow works with animals and small kids). I guess this also because his work with crowd and perception of risk that someone would get hurt (and often stops show until people calm down and make step back). All perception and emotion come and go and as an artist you try to catch it and tame it to a piece of art which allows you to connect with them anytime you want. That`s what I like on Axl, the way he can even move others with it and connect you to your feelings. That makes him extraordinary. I know that he is not that skinny lad anymore, but he still can make glimpses of these connections. Take my cash. I`ll pay for this vibe (and also some band chemistry, too). 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 @Alja Didn't want to quote your whole post due to the length, but I know where you are coming from. I have had those same type of feelings my whole life. People who haven't experienced it don't understand how it makes you feel. I also came from a good family, but did not have their support when I ran into problems in my life, which is what got me into GNR and why I can relate to Axl. Thanks for posting and welcome here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Cochrane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said: Wow, I'm overwhelmed by the amount of questions Finding the strippers wouldn't be that hard I think. Melissa definitely couldn't be one of them because she doesn't dance, she just jumps around like an ecstasy addict. Axl mights still be able to grind but it may look slightly less sexy than back in the 90's, lol. The blazer could do a triumphant return but please Axl, keep your damn pants on! Maybe Melissa could replicate the harmonica with her computers () or Dizzy could play it, I mean he's needed in less than half of the songs and just jerks around the rest of the time, he should earn his salary. @Mary Cochrane I like that setlist overall (Pretty Tied Up, Perfect Crime, So Fine and Breakdown would be nice additions) but why can't we get rid of KOHD even in fantasy setlists? I agree with everything you said setlist wise. I find it especially annoying that Out Ta Get Me is not staple because both Axl and Slash always sound amazing on it. The Fortus thing, I think he even said lately in one of those videos he did speaking about his guitars that he's broken a few guitars strumming like that. Maybe he's just an idiot That's a very interesting perspective. I don't feel Steven is mentally stuck as a 3-5 year old (looks more like a 13-15 year old to me) but he's definitely not as mature as he's supposed to be for his age. I totally disagree with the not taking him on tour thing, though. He's toured the world for many years with Adler's Appetite. The difference now is he would have a lot of commodities that he didn't have with his band, he doesn't have the drugs and booze screwing him as back in the day and also the guys he'd be playing with and the huge crowds would make it all worth it to him and he'd be extremely happy. Anyway, welcome to the forum! Thank You So Much for your opinion on my setlist idea i actually agree maybe we can take out KOHD and replace with... dead horse? Or new rose? Just thought it would be weird to have two songs with horse in the name OR! you could replace it with locomotive about OTGM i completely agree it should be a staple song its a great song for them to perform! Edited February 19, 2017 by Mary Cochrane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Cochrane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 15 hours ago, Ubukitty said: I really like this setlist, especially since I saw them at Dodger Stadium last year and am looking forward to a different setlist this year at the Gorge. This my friend would make me very happy. Thank You thats very kind! How was it last year? i would die to see them i hope they come to the UK and hope they change the setlist up glad you like my setlist friend!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Cochrane Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Just one more thing sorry to keep asking questions but does anyone know where to find the steven adler interview? Is it on here if so anyone know where to find it? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderlineCrazy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mary Cochrane said: Just one more thing sorry to keep asking questions but does anyone know where to find the steven adler interview? Is it on here if so anyone know where to find it? ? The new one? Here you have it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy14 Posted February 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2017 I'm just going to leave this here 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alja Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 17 hours ago, sanity_lost said: @Alja, I am tagging you instead of quoting because I want to discuss a bit of what you said in both posts and that is a lot of text that I didn't want to make people scroll down through. I lot of interesting text from a great perspective! I am mostly trying to feel way through my thoughts on this and I am inflicting it all of you in this thread. Sorry! I don't know Steven at all. I only know him from interviews, articles, videos and his book. I am sure that we all know that the public face we get of someone is only a small part of who they are so obviously anything I say following this is purely my own opinion and could be (and likely is) completely wrong. I absolutely think that Steven was being completely honest in his interview. He always came across to me as someone with no filter who will speak his mind. Most people wish they could be like that, though most people also realize there is a reason we have filters. While I do think that Steven believed in everything he said, I am just not sure how much that I believe his take on what happened. I believe Steven believed it happened like that and I think that it could very well have happened just like he said it did but I don't have enough trust in it for it to sway my opinion or make me view things differently (not his account would sway my opinion on things if it was 100% verifiably true but that isn't the topic I am broaching here). I don't think Steven is a dishonest person at all, but I can't help but question his take on things. As I've said, I've read his book. His book and various articles and interviews I found through databases was my introduction when I started my deep dive into being a Guns N' Roses fan. I am not sure if this impression is completely fair. It is just one I formed during that time. Next thought is the Axl-Steven interpersonal dynamic. Steven clearly has a love-hate feelings when it comes to Axl. Steven is pretty upfront about his surface feelings. Just listening to the interview the back and forth hate him/love him could give you whiplash. I am not sure if there are many people who can deal with having that directed at them to their face for long. Especially someone with Axl's own volatile personality, even if Axl is much better than he used to be (which is another conversation entirely, is Axl better or does he just have better handlers?). The band and managers could probably work around the Axl-Steven interaction some. Axl closets himself most of the time so it'd only be at the venue/on the plane where they have to deal with each other (not much different than the good old days). However that would have to put an incredible amount to strain and stress on everyone else. I like Steven and I feel bad for him. He was really hurt by this. I can't blame anyone for it though as I don't really know what happened. Was what they said really their plan? Did they lead him on, on purpose? On Accident? Sometimes people try to do the nice thing instead of harsh thing and it makes things more painful and worse in the end. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Shit happens. Only you can control your happiness. You can't rely on others for your happiness. One thing inspiring about Steven is that he is doing the best he can to be in charge of his own happiness. There is always set backs and road blocks in life and Steven is very obviously working though them when he hits them. That is a great thing. Hmm... rambling incoherent mess. Sorry. @sanity_lostI like your incoherent mess. I have never said Steven is not honest. Actually you don`t meet many people who are as honest in what they express from their inside than brain damaged ones (or mentally disabled, my other favs). They understand things literally, you have to avoid irony or sarcasm when you talk to them. The trick is to do some extra research, because the way they process information can be too simplified. There is trap in their mind that when it starts working, as much difficult is to start it, the same difficult is put it to stop. They overthink (or more, repeat) things in their mind as much as they can change their true (like playing the same tape destroys content, or they stick on irrelevant details and blow them up. They also don`t deal with the fact sometimes information do not fit. Or make up things to fill gaps in their reasoning). They are not aware of it. With some it is thin ice always. Also it is thin ice when it interferes with the way they wish things would work. What I learned is never to lie to them and never sugarcoat anything. With all the problems with short-term memory, they remember when you mislead them (or feel mislead. That`s that thin ice). They are their own kind of volatile (or better emotional roller-coaster, love-hate, happy-hurt,...). I got sample of Steven`s book but never the whole one, mostly because I did not enjoy the language and it sounded whiny, I dug elsewhere. Internet is full. Steven whined often and loudly. As I said Steven is lucky to have happy-go-lucky personality since ever (many sources). He is likable to most people he meets, their light-headed little bro. He maintains it through damage he suffers. It is living in hard mode for everyone around. It is great and a big credit to people who support him. (It`s my biggest goal to help to find sense of living and ability to be happy to someone after crippling incident.) Other amazing child trait is ability to stand up and try again and again after fall without getting sour or giving up. I think managers make huge addition that communication between members in past was one huge failure and I hope reunited members are aware of it. Both Axl and Steven are described as 100% authentic people. The dynamics by me comes with huge intelligence gap between these two. You have super-smart visionary Axl who likes to talk his big (abstract) ideas (and I bet he has sense of humor based on abstraction, irony and sarcasm. Right now I imagine him with all that vivid expression and gestures). On the other hand you have simple, from day to day living Steven (this is also something usually accented with brain damage). Most people are somewhere between this. I strongly assume Steven never understood sarcasm or abstract jokes based on wordplay. Or complex problems with unclear solutions. As soon as you have some fun with others (and I enjoy sarcasm and wordplay and humor you don`t always get at first the most) the simple one feels bullied. If you discuss anything beyond his imagination, he starts to feel rejected (and bullied). With grounded guys like Slash or Duff it might be Axl to bring it on. You can bully them unconsciously too easy. Or directly, if you run nerves. Axl-Steven dynamics started to make sense to me after I had to interact with one co-worker in (luckily) limited time job (both completely sober). The best solution I am able in situation like this is to limit contact and hope that I don`t have to include that person in any bigger plans. The thing is that the less smart one will always pull the shorter end. It`s not nice, I know. I also know that for many Steven is likable because he is weaker from these two and still chimp-happy on drums and people tend to sympathize with weaker ones (You either don`t hurt that person because you just don`t want to, other reason to avoid interaction is not to get reputation lost with hurting someone defenseless to your weapons=not to be an asshole from whatever reason). Love-hate relation maybe comes also from intuitive sticking to someone with bold personality and vision and feeling of not being appreciated most of the time. Maybe also because of his bold personality Steven focused all hate from group rejection to Axl (repeatedly declared as group decision). (to add some of my mess and make a little tidy-up in my thoughts. Although it`s most time about individual experience and feelings about people you feel your friends although you never met anyway.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonok Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Sorry to derail the thread but I couldn't ignore how huge Axl's head looks here compared to his body. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazedlioness Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 So there's a new thread?. Wow I missed a lot while taking my break. A bit upset over the no manips cause I always enjoyed them but whatever. After taking a break from mygnrforum I've decided to come back but a lot seems to have changed... I'll definitely always be reading what you have to say even if I don't say anything myself ladies xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dgnr Posted February 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2017 Let's leave this here, ok? The Slaxl lives And Slash's reaction is so funny 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazedlioness Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, dgnr said: Let's leave this here, ok? The Slaxl lives And Slash's reaction is so funny Finally somwhing positive to see <3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanity_lost Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, Crazedlioness said: Finally somwhing positive to see <3 Axl is trying to give Slash a heart attack on stage and you call that positive! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Ok, so a person who wants to tell their side of the story is now considered brain-damaged? This thread is back to sucking balls again 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubukitty Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Mary Cochrane said: Thank You thats very kind! How was it last year? i would die to see them i hope they come to the UK and hope they change the setlist up glad you like my setlist friend!! ? The show was awesome of course, seeing them for the first time in 20 something years. I was a happy girl but I am hoping for a different setlist this year. I hope you get the opportunity to see them soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubukitty Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Crazedlioness said: Finally somwhing positive to see <3 Now that's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Horror movies cant scare Slash, Only Axl can! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted February 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2017 21 hours ago, Ubukitty said: Not to reiterate what everyone is saying but after reading the recent interview and seeing the live interview on the news supporting his mothers book, not to mention reading his book and all of the other members books, I just don't find Steven to be a credible source of information. Some of the things may be true but I believe that his stroke affected him more than he thinks, not to mention the former drug use. He's all over the place when he speaks and seems very childlike. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan but when it comes to doing a tour of this magnitude he wouldn't be able to keep it together. Like I've said before, his work ethic was less than shotty before he joined GnR, this coming from former band mates. I know there's been bad blood between him and Axl for some time but I don't believe that had anything to do with Axl not wanting him to join the tour, after all he let him play some shows. If there was a miscommunication at all I believe it was on Stevens end and he didn't understand that this wasn't a permanent thing. GnR has done a phenomenal job putting together NITL, showing up on time, and giving the fans 3 plus hours of music and trying to hit as many countries, states and cities as to not leave anyone out. I'm just grateful that they're back together, even if it is a cash grab. I would love to hear new music from them and am praying that happens but if not at least I got to see them reunite and that for me has been a lifelong dream, not to mention a million other peoples. Why is it that a person who made a mistake in their lives, like getting into drugs or alcohol, immediately become liars and not credible but someone who's got cancer would never be doubted in their opinions, sayings and comments? Having a stroke affects your moral? Your beliefs? Your personality? Wow. Just wow. This is how this world of prejudice makes people like Steven Adler become enraged and alienated. Because no matter how many days or years the guy gets cleaned. No matter how much he tries to regain a normal life and tries to get out of the deep black hole, there are comments like this from people like this who will never give a second chance to anyone. Or until it happens to someone in their family or themselves. Steven's personality and behavior is not any more questionable than Axl's or Slash or Izzy's. Even Duff was a major asshole back in the day. They all have their flaws and some of them have done worse things than taking drugs. However, Steven is the only one who "gets the corn". Why is that? Is it because it took him more time to get out of his addiction? Is it because he's just a drummer? Is it because he hasn't accomplished much with his career? What about Axl? After Steven, Axl comes close to having a poor career, with only one album released with his version of GN'R. An album that didn't live up to the previous ones. He was stale for a long time, touring somewhat successfully for a decade, using the name of a band he started but he didn't make great by his own and solely talent. How do we know Steven wouldn't be able to keep his shit together for an entire tour if we never gave him the chance? His health problems are just the perfect excuse, for the band and for some fans, to say that Steven can't do it. In my opinion, after putting pieces of information together, Izzy and Steven will not return permanently to GNR because Axl Rose, who is the owner of GNR, doesn't want to them in the line up. They both left/got kicked out a long time ago and he moved on with his own version of GN'R until he couldn't do it anymore, due to financial reasons and the fact that his version of GN'R eventually imploded. I can't say if Steven is lying or not about what was the first arrangement he did with the band to play a lot more songs per show than what he ended up doing. To me it's hard to believe something like this was proposed or accepted by Axl, but it seems like he's unaware of a lot of things, so maybe someone made arrangements to have Steven convinced of playing more songs and then Axl found out and unmade the arrangements. All in all, Steven sounded pretty calmed in this interview and coherent and I can't see none of the UTTER BULLSHIT I've had to read in this thread about him. Brain damaged my ass This guy is healthier than a lot of people here... Just because he has a problem in his speech that doesn't make him mentally handicapped or comparable to a 5 years old child. He's fitter than some fatasses in the band and he's got a lot of energy and positive vibes. I am grateful for being lucky (something that avoids me like the pest) of having seen him playing with the other three originals at the River Plate shows in Buenos Aires. He was cheered up and welcomed by an audience who appreciated his guest appearance much more than anyone else. Rock on Steven and have a great life! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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