default_ Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Oh... Woah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboxx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 default_: With much respect, I tell you, Prince was soloist, and apart from that...when an artist dies, the company give you what's been in the vault for their reasons, not the artist. Think about the quality of music you've taken from alredy dead artists. Think about the quality of Hendrix post mortem albums. Guns N' Roses is about quality, and what most people misunderstood is the reason why Axl doesn't want you to hear what he thinks you can't hear. Ok, we are not talkin' about the music only, let's talk about the image, why you won't see the better video, because that isn't the best form of image to represent this band, lacks the quality Axl think the brand deserves. Search for the Mr. Brownstone video, better than better video, but canceled too, cause it lacks in notches for that quality. If someday all that becomes official realeasings, you would see unfinished works, and the picture you have retained from the artist will change for a lesser degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, Loboxx said: default_: With much respect, I tell you, Prince was soloist, and apart from that...when an artist dies, the company give you what's been in the vault for their reasons, not the artist. Think about the quality of music you've taken from alredy dead artists. Think about the quality of Hendrix post mortem albums. Guns N' Roses is about quality, and what most people misunderstood is the reason why Axl doesn't want you to hear what he thinks you can't hear. Ok, we are not talkin' about the music only, let's talk about the image, why you won't see the better video, because that isn't the best form of image to represent this band, lacks the quality Axl think the brand deserves. Search for the Mr. Brownstone video, better than better video, but canceled too, cause it lacks in notches for that quality. If someday all that becomes official realeasings, you would see unfinished works, and the picture you have retained from the artist will change for a lesser degree. This is all correct. The only bit missing is that not releasing anything also affects the picture of an artist almost as much as releasing something inferior does. As a massive GnR fan the last thing I want is for GnR to be remembered as a band that released hardly any material then toured the same(ish) setlist for 40 years. Whether you are a fan of all releases or not one of the things I find most interesting about bands like Deep Purple and Black Sabbath is discovering all the deep cuts on the lesser known albums. Yes quality might not be up to their highest standards, but it doesn't tarnish the reputation and is interesting to discover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboxx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 So, putting all this a litle bit more togheter... Axl had the vision and creative mind, intelectualy speaking, of a band named Guns N' Roses, only he knows where to go in what direction in the most part of the times...clearly we can see, that there can't be 2 bosses in any aspect in life. So, when the original band felt that he was in charge, they turn sick of it. Axl must have been learning that if you push the envelope so far, you could find yourself alone, or with something worse than you had. Slash can clearly fullfill his visions, and knows where to not go here and there from time to time...Slash becomed a succesfull boss of his own visions, but can't find the right singer to fulfill all of his...He worked with singers that he needed to polish, carry, lacking something, or being a junkie pain in the ass when he wanted to push the envelope...In some period of time he was in Axl's Shoes...The worst case and most learning experience the last in time, when Scott thought he was on an higher step for the Velvet Revolver camp being Slash in charge... In a Guns N' Roses piramid you have these 2 compliments in the upper side, with Axl on top of that...In the down side you can decode what happened to the rest, in every ambit of the business, personal relationship, or form of art. They were the best musicians from LA in the 80's, that's why all of them wanted to play among them...But they had yet to learn and mature in some things...And to now they couldn't find better musicians to work with...not even in a matter of presence to say some example. So tryng to get there more quickly... I feel the same as you, and that's the reason I didn't go to a lot of shows...Here in Argentina I've seen Guns in 2010, and reunion 2016 only...cause I can't stand the same setlist... So, I feel we were close to hear a monster old/new record if Izzy would have been learning quicker. All of the above considered, how can you dare to ask for the same loot as your boss, that you left behind misunderstanding him 25 years ago, now. Also without taking into account that you didn't do anything to take the brand alive to these days...???????? That utterly simplyfied THING, let us without new music, or a bigger reunion... Cause Izzy's the seeds and the link between them in the compositions ambit...and as I said before, Steven is light years from this kind of awareness, learning curve, or profesional form, so isn't truly needed as to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboxx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 That being said, my personal taste, I prefer to have the best posible albums, not lesser quality, or lesser known...neither B-sides...and much less formation III album, formation IV album...and so on... From my point of view, I've got the best debut album in 87, the best acoustic in 88 among what you missed from roots of the band, the best and whole of what was happening from 89 to 91 among the songs that didn't fit in the first album in an 91 album, the best cover album in 93, the best live album in 99, the best posible albums...the best of the best in 04 album...and that includes the best Axl could to meet those standards in 08 album... With all my respect, some says Spaghetti is not a great album, for me it's the best cover album. Guns N' Roses always did better versions than the originals. But Izzy and Steven were no longer there for the best sound. Some says Chinese isn't a great album, for me it's the best that we can get without the original members. But we and they don't want the formation III album. The hughest hole in timescale was from when Slash went, to when Chinese finally came, that tells something I'm referring in upper posts. Taking into account that Axl didn't want to start a new project in 97, cause he did that hard work before and didn't want to lose what he had, He'd left you with the best posible Guns album past that. I's a solo project in the form of he was the only member to not jump wagon, but is clearly the best he found from others musicians inputs and that is far from a solo project. That dicotomy is bitter in the negative side. As is equally negative that the original members didn't learnt and come back to say sorry with a different state of mind. All of them learned the most hard way, doing the same Axl did in 85 and go on... You can't get more integrity than this! All things considered, I'm glad it is what it is. I'm glad there is Led Zeppelin, and Guns N' Roses, and the rest below that can suck my fucking dick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBananaduck Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Yes, what a great and diverse world music would be if there were only two bands who had released a combined dozen or so albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 On 09/11/2017 at 3:45 PM, default_ said: I have reasons to believe Axl adressed at his will that even after death his material cannot be shared lol I fuckin want Slash back, money aside being with Axl is a huge waste of time for his career. Yeah, I've started to find myself pining for a new SMK&C album, which is something I never thought I'd say. But we're clearly never going to hear Slash write new material with Axl, and the touring is boring as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboxx Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 JoeyBananaduck: If you had read all my posts, you would tought of a better pun that actually make it in context...so your dick isn't bigger, sorry. In case you wanted to know what I'm saying, is that I can't think of another example beyond these two bands, with more music integrity...Also that I can listen to without feeling that someone or I could do it better...so be it in a two note passage, or a bigger part of a song...or in any form of their art, as to say image/style...whatever. Are we talkin' the best from the best in an all in package. I like Chet Atkins for learn more from my guitar and expand my knowledge. Howlin' Wolf when I want to seek my soul, he really sings... you know... Fito Paez from Argentina is like some kind of your Elton Jhon, he is good, in what he does. For a couple of songs I'll put Metallica from time to time, mostly when I'm feeling so Macho I search for Slipknot. For diversity I'll listen to Ariana Grande, she's very good, you should too. Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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