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6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

A part that I found interesting is when Matt offers an explanation on why Axl wanted to take control of the band, saying it had to do with Slash disappearing to play with Michael Jackson and other people and that Axl was kind of right to be pissed off about that. 

Which doesn't make any sense at all, but whatever.

On 4.6.2020 at 4:36 AM, Scream of the Butterfly said:

It's not just something I assumed. There have been studies that showed black people were prejudiced against other black people. Most likely it doesn't apply to all black people everywhere but either way I didn't find the result surprising. If a black person grows up in an environment which is racist towards black people, what would make them immune to it? Oftentimes the result is a sense of inferiority as well as unconsciously adopting the same racist beliefs.

Even those "studies" are racist, suggesting that not even blacks like blacks. So I call bullshit to that.

But whatever, I think it is clear that despite One in a million Axl is not a racist.

45 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

What a wonderful example. Nobody calls Jarmo a "Swedish leech". Even iff that happens, it's obviously not as often.  

Yeah. Because he would be a finnish leech. 

10 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I see the argument that Axl is not a racist because he has Slash in the band, or because he had a black bodyguard, or because he has Brazilians working for him, or any other version of the same argument. It's kind of like saying that a man can't possibly be a sexist if he has a wife. In reality, lots of people have black people or women in their lives. Unfortunately that doesn't stop them from being racist, sexist, misogynist. There are even black people who are racist towards other black people. Just as there are women who are misogynists.

But sexist people do not dislike being with a woman. Quite to the contrary. Racist people do not like other races and wouldn't choose to be around them, if they are not absolutely forced to. They wouldn't voluntarily be around them. So that comparison sucks really.

Huh? Racist blacks towards blacks? Like whites towards whites? Or this that only something you assume black people would do? 

14 minutes ago, EricA said:

But isn't it not  more nauseating, that there seems to be a sudden need to justify yourself (either celebrity or not), for being against racism, even if it's for the first time in public, or on social media?

Both is nauseating. 

22 minutes ago, action said:

I'm against racism too. I don't feel the need to go posting about it. The twitter generation must think of me like a scumbag then.

There are many horrible things I'm against at. Homophobia, sexism, racism... I'm not "speaking out" against any of that.

It's all fine and well to "speak out" against something. But at the end of the day, it still continues. It is, therefore, absolutely pointless.

"but surely it must have some merit that all these rich people are speaking out against racism". yeah, what merit? Don't you think, racist people laugh with all of that? How about, they refuse to make movies / music anymore? How about, football is cancelled until a massive reorganisation of society happens, so that racism truly is eradicated? You know, something that actually does help. Something that makes people feel, something that's the word in their bakery.

"but surely, it is a start, isn't it?" A start? A start of what? Nothing happens, nothing will happen until a fucking revolution happens. 

the corona virus, now that made a difference. People being forced to wear a fucking mouth mask while doing groceries. That's what makes people feel. That's what makes them realise "hoo boy, now it's come real close to home".

Having outcries on twitter... my god, is this all they can think of. 

Yeah. The question is, how we move from here. If it just remains peer pressure on social media or if it spills over into the real world and a change is Happening and people are called out there too. One thing is for sure though, racists aren't suddenly going to stop being racists. They will just hide it more.

10 minutes ago, action said:

most people need "influencers" to come to their senses.

Which is kinda sad and I kinda refuse to believe that people really are like that.

13 minutes ago, action said:

it doesn't matter.

police brutality has gone on for way too long, and it has pretty much been able to continue without much in it's way.

The massive outcry that we see today, the combined efforts of artists and musicians is good in and of itself, but the issue is: it's far too late, and far too little. this makes me a bit mad.

Also, don't forget that society "demands" a response by all these artists. I honestly wonder how much of it is genuine, and how much of it is just saving their own ass.

Their tweets of today, only highlight their silence up to this point. Their tweets of today, don't exonerate their silence of yesterday.

There isn't one single honest person between those people.

I give you that though. You're almost forced to post something. That's why I didn't. But that doesn't mean that they are not genuinely against racism.

46 minutes ago, action said:

then, why didn't he speak out about it earlier?

he's a hypocrite Lio. All those celebs crawling out of the woodwork now are. 

 

Well, then the whole IG world who are posting black screens on IG now are hypocrites. They didn't speak out last week. They obviously speak out now, because there is a reason and a cause.

19 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Everyone has a version thereof, wouldn’t you say?

Something to get you by? Yes. Sure. But not everything is made up/ruins your health. Some of the things that get you by are real and tangible.

18 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

And in that sense I guess religion is incredibly valuable.  Cuz everybody has something, something that holds them together, something that they lean on.  Every man can be broken, no matter how strong and if religion is the thing that keeps so many from breaking then it almost doesn't matter if its real for me, as long as its real for them.  That has the potential to sound awfully patronising but thats not how I meant it.

Yeah. That's it. A crutch. Some take drugs to get by, others have religion. Both a tool to make you feel better. Both BS to me. 

1 hour ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Cheap mans Champagne 

Gay man's champagne. At least in german speaking countries. Part of a comedian's act.

5 minutes ago, jackparker123 said:

Is the plan to give us a few songs every Thursday for the next few weeks then?

If that's the case then I could see them compiling the videos and finally releasing a NITL tour DVD / Blu Ray with a bit of extra exclusive content.

BS. If they do a BR release, it should be one full gig from one city. Otherwise they shouldn't even bother with it.

So much for that.

15 minutes ago, registra said:

I find it so strange that a forum mostly filled with middle-aged men(I assume) get so fixated on the looks of a 60 year old guy. It's like, of all the things potentially wrong with the band, Axl haircut was what made your decision not to go? Seriously?

And even weirder, it's just a normal haircut, that plenty of men of all ages have. Not sure why people see it as an issue.

It's not like they're the Pussycat Dolls or something. How they look really shouldn't affect whether you want to go to the show or not.

 

When I fly across an ocean and pay a shitload of money, I want to see Axl the rockstar and not Axl the sad accountant. And I can't help it and I do not feel sorry for it, but that look sucked and I'm not gonna pay money to see Axl like that. Concerts are also a visual thing. I was on the fence and that tipped me over/knocked me right back. I did not want to see him like that.

47 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Still can't get over how ridiculous Axl looks with that fucking haircut ......

Yeah. When I saw that, any consideration I had until that time of going to see them (in '19) went out of the window. Totally.

On 19.5.2020 at 10:41 PM, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

The Juke Box hero tour with Europe and Kansas and headliner Foreigner has been officially cancelled. It was for September 11 here in Dallas. I requested a refund. They also had credit, but who knows when concerts will be back? I want my money.

Do you know that in some countries, when they cancel, they still keep your money? They give you a coupon, which is valid until December 31, 2021 and if you haven't used it by then, you get your money back. Total bollocks. I rather they postpone the shows and keep my money than they cancel and misuse me as a bank and keep my money either way.

In 1990:

1. Cher - Heart of Stone

2. Queen - Live Magic

3. Don't remember… took a while until I bought another one.

36 minutes ago, Chester 524 said:

If Axl wasn't a rock star, what the hell else would he be?  My guess is he'd be an inmate somewhere, ruling a prison yard.  So he does owe the fans more than what he gives (I'm not talking about sharing personal stuff, just music). 

I guess many of these artist types would be there or similar, if they wouldn't have found a profession that pays well, despite their shortcomings and lets them get away with it.

10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The fact that Rose is the only one, out of all the acts, who operate in this manner should tell you something. Take the archive thing; there is no logic in not delving into your live archives, releasing some fan friendly albums: A/ happier fan base B/ money for the band - a ''win-win''. Take the communication: there seems no logic in having no communication whatsoever. 

But why spare the effort when they make millions with doing none of that?? Whenever he wants, he goes on tour, does his thing and gets millions. Case closed. Everything you suggest is extra work and decisions someone has to do and make. And clearly, Axl doesn't care about any of that. And there you have your answer: He doesn't care about anything but concerts.

12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Rose likes to run the band like a sort of dysfunctional Area 51. This is presumably the way he likes proceedings; it has been that way since he power grabbed in the mid '90s. Fernando is a wanker but it isn't really his fault really (the dire merchandising is) regarding the lack of material and good fan relations. These two aspects were woeful before ''Team Brazil'' took over. The denominator here is Rose.

Makes no sense to me why Rose would want to run the band like this, but then nothing about Guns does make much sense. It is a band that operate according to utter illogicality. 

Why would he not do it that way? For him it works. They are raking in the millions. Everything else don't matter to him. Everything else would mean more effort and stuff he has to deal with.

25 minutes ago, BadApples87 said:

Just to show how screwed up Ticketbastard is right now - Sammy Hagar cancelled his North American tour yesterday.  But, TM is still selling tix to the show.  WTF?!

 

When GNR cancels or postpones, it will be a mess trying to get money back.

Sammy Hagar said that Live Nation/Ticketmaster will inform soon. 

17 minutes ago, EricA said:

In terms of recording and releasing new music, you and others are completely right, for this it needs Axl and the whole band to come out of their caves.

I much more refered to his never ending unprofessional promises.

Like the recent one, to upload video stuff ...there's no need for the band to do it.

It's only on him to get things done, with what ever company they are working with, to finsh the material.

Don't promis shit, not even talk about it, if you've nothing on your hands, just DO it, and then get out a proper announcment.

Oh, well. Is it professional to talk about unlaid eggs? Probably not. But if he would say nothing, what would we have to bitch About? And we always want to know shit. So, I don't know.  Maybe he spoke about it too early, but I don't want to believe he is just full of shit, so maybe we really just have to be a Little more patient with those video things to happen. That at least seems an easier task than to release new music. One that doesn't involve Axl's Input.

To be fair though, at least what he says in term of the copyright strikes makes sense and if he is speaking the truth and following up on seeing to it that those strikes get removed, kudos to him.

Edit: Also the fact that he mentions the Troubadour recording, the financial issues they had with the Company that recorded it and that they are still Looking into what can be done with the material, also in conjunction to help the Troubadour, is pretty cool. Of course, on the assumption he's not full of shit and really is following up on it.

16 hours ago, EricA said:

No, this only confirms that he is a complete failure as a manager. A real professional manager MANAGES to make things happen, that's his job!

Well, you can be real and professional all you want. That won't help you when you have to deal with Axl Rose. There were plenty of real and professional managers along the way and not many things were made to happen.  But yeah, at least you would know not to promise things you, deep down in your heart, know you can't promise. But that's why he never confirmed it was him on Reddit. He wanted to say there is an album coming, but he wanted to not bite him in the ass, if it isn't.

10 hours ago, Russel Nash said:

Hey Fernando, do you wanna be a REAL Manager? Make the band release something that's not a GH or remasters of old songs. Make the band work together in new music. Walkin beside Axl Rose everywhere he goes makes you a walker.

 

 

No one does "make" Axl do anything, except Axl (and even he has a hard time convincing him to do something). Fernando knows that. That's why he's the manager. Others didn't. That's why they are Ex-managers.