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3 hours ago, nycgunner said:
You’re completely right. It’s absolute bullshit. I even called them out on the wording on the website and how they changed it on March 12th or 13th, which was when everyone realized the severity of the crisis and when all shows were postponed. I thought this has to be a class action law suit. I even reached out to a Bloomberg reporter urging them to take up the story. Just found these NYT and USA Today articles. Hopefully the media attention will help
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2986708001
Basically says TM did change their policy (their is some fine print that protects them) because they don’t have the money to refund everyone for all shows. Live Nation’s $3bn of cash includes $1.5bn of pre sold tickets. If they refund, they could have a real liquidity issue. I hope these assholes do go bankrupt, their shareholders eat it, and a better business model emerges
fyi, says they are a considering a “refund window” for 30 days, so everyone with tickets please monitor for your benefit!
Yeah. I guess public pressure is the way to go. They have to offer something. And even if it is just a credit for future tickets, an option they are currently discussing in Europe for ticket and travel cancellations. But they can't just tell you to go fuck yourself and to try to sell the ticket yourself, probably through their website so they profit even more.
Either way, just don't give up and don't give in.
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25 minutes ago, nycgunner said:
Ive contacted Ticketmaster multiple spoke and spoke to multiple “managers”. They all told me to fuck off. I had tix to see the Strokes in LA on a Saturday night at the forum. I live in nyc, but I was going to be there for work so I got tix (not cheap). Strokes were postponed to may 29th (a Friday), which I can’t make. I am sure it will move again, but assuming it doesn’t, TM said my only recourse was selling the tickets to someone else. They are offering NO refunds for postponed shows.
I fortunately have a screen shot of the old ticket refund policy (which applied to postponed and canceled show). They left it up for about 24 hrs while the new policy (refunds for canceled shows only) was posted and applied retroactively
Wow. If true that's, that sucks big time and just goes to show what a shitty company that is. I still think that can't be legal though. Obviously they know that 1 person won't involve a lawyer, as that is a bigger risk to lose even more money, than to just forget about the ticket money. Maybe there are some consumer protection people you could involve?
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3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:It does nothing negative for them to release a small video saying "Hope everyone is staying safe... here's a pro shot of WTTJ from 2016 to keep ye going while we reschedule our tour plans, can't wait to see all of you again soon!".
Every band has pro shot footage laying around, every band has years worth of live multi-tracks stored. Even if they just released the Chinese democracy videos for better etc. anything!! They could also do individual 'How I wrote this song' segments. Axl talking about writing NV or Madagascar (or whatever song) and playing a few bars over instagram. These things are not difficult to do.
They don't have to, but it is definitely the cool thing to do.
Yeah. They should ask Metallica how to do it, who currently stream their 4th previously unreleased concert.
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1 hour ago, GoBucky said:
Wish that was the case. So far, I've had the Stones and Struts postpone and neither offered refunds. The Struts did say that refunds will be given if the new date doesn't work for us. That one will be fine because it's in Chicago and we'll most likely be able to go to the new date, and the tix were only $35 anyway. The Stones are the problem. We were in Africa last year when they played Chicago, and we want to take our daughter to see them, so we bought tix for the StL show on a Saturday night in late June. Odds are the new date won't be on a Saturday so they better offer refunds once they reschedule. Still waiting for Elton, Guns and Gaga to call their tours...and none of those, including the Stones, were inexpensive.
Yes, but that doesn't mean you won't get a refund. It just means you won't get one before the new date is set. That is a reasonable request.
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1 hour ago, allwaystired said:
I have no idea, but they've done it so they must believe they can......and I would imagine they have a solid legal team.
Someone with more legal knowledge than myself on here might know more.....
I'm sure that will discourage some from asking for their money back, because "it says so on the website", but I don't think they can fend off the persistant people. Those who really want their money back. I don't think they would stand a chance in court. And I'm sure they are fully aware of that. I guess their thinking is, if they can discourage some, they already have won something. That's why I say, that anyone who wants to return their ticket should just contact them personally. It's a different story though for people who are buying tickets now. I guess they are fucked because they agreed to the terms.
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29 minutes ago, GoBucky said:
Aerosmith and Kiss her put out fundraising shirts for the live music crews relief fund. That shouldn't be that hard for Gn'R to do.
You'd think that a tour that has made 500 millions on overpriced tickets, has enough funds to take care of their crew without having to ask the fans to chip in.
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1 minute ago, allwaystired said:
It's only applicable in America at the moment it seems so it's not having on me personally.
I'm sure others will try that though. I'd be very interested to hear how they get on. Sadly I imagine Ticketmaster will win.
And I'm sure even (or especially) in America that is not applicable.
Even Ticketmaster can not retroactively change the terms of an already fullfilled sale.
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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:
We'll see. They'll do everything in their power to classify as many events as possible as "postponed", so they don't have to call them "cancelled" and issue refunds.
Well. I'm guessing most of these shows actually are "postponed". Nobody wants to cancel shows. Unless the show isn't selling.
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3 hours ago, allwaystired said:
Not anymore. That's what's changed.
If it's postponed and you can't make the new date.....Ticketmaster have decided to fuck you over. In America this is.
Good luck with them enforcing that. They can not retroactively change the terms of the sale. No matter what they state on their website, if you can't make the new date, contact them and threaten legal action if nesssesary.
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19 minutes ago, James Bond said:
Seems appropriate enough on a Guns N' Roses forum.
Yeah. Appropriate enough for some MFs to get offended, rather than actually listening and trying to understand.
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57 minutes ago, Jw224 said:
He pretty much expects everyone to be able to live the way he does or they are somehow stupid. Classic head in the clouds syndrome.
Nope. The ones with heads in the clouds are the ones too stupid to get what I was saying and rather choose to be offended. Not buying shit you can't afford has nothing to do with being or not being able to live like someone. It's just simple logics. You either do it and suffer the consequences or you don't and have peace of mind. And when 500 $ puts someone in a pickle, well, then the person couldn't afford it.
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49 minutes ago, James Bond said:
The only one who seems to be offended here is you. Apparently it is a problem for you if others don't conform to your standards of living. Not to mention all the examples I provided were hypothetical - points against Live Nation's dumb new policy. If someone decides that their concert/fun money is put to better use in light of the current world situation, then that's their prerogative regardless of if they have savings or not. Again, hypothetical. You're getting angry at the air. Perhaps you need to get some.
Who says I'm offended and/or angry? I'm mostly amused, by the people who rather choose to be offended and wants to hit back (you) than to think and understand (and by the people who make stupid financial decisions and then have to worry... but that's an observation, not a problem). It kinda figures. But whatever. I'm set and got nothing to worry about. And all of that due to choices I've made. I won't have to return the concert tickets I've bought for this year to get by. I can ride it out.
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1 hour ago, GNRfanMILO said:
You do know there is a worldwide pandemic that no one expected, right? You do know there is plenty of people who own and live from shops that have been closed for over a month on lots of countries that will probably have to close, right? Most of this people would be able to buy a concert ticket on a normal situation and wouldn’t have to suffer for doing it. Well, I’m sorry for being the one to tell you this but, this is not a normal situation and people are doing what they can to survive.
Honestly, on what kind of bubble do you live in? Who the FUCK would’ve known that when the Gn’R tickets were announced for sale, a few months later a invisible virus that is literally destroying the entire planet’s economics would’ve surfaced?
You clearly didn't understand a single word I said. Why? I'll never know. Maybe reading it again would help, or stay offended if you want. I don't care.
This is not the first post from you were you vomit this stupid, selfish and meritocratic thinking. Please take a look around you. Thank you.
Don't even know what you're talking about here. But Whatever. As for looking around, I see people, who are prepared, don't have to worry. Others have to sell their tickets.
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11 hours ago, James Bond said:
So you agree that the option should be there but disagree with people taking it?
Obviously when a concert doesn't happen on the promised date, people should have the option to return their tickets. Never said anything else.
As for the second part of the question: Oh, look at all the offended people here tonight. Fuming at the mouth, too stupid and offended to get what I was saying. Well, to answer to you and to others. Yeah, if you can't afford it, you shouldn't buy overpriced tickets to a rock show. If it means, less food on the table, because 500 $ is a huge sum to you, then you probably shouldn't do it. If you don't have enough savings to get by for a while, when loosing your job or any other unforseen thing, without having to beg for that money back, then yes, it probably is not a smart and responsible thing to pay that sum in the first place.
It has nothing to do with privilege or that enjoyment for the low paid should being outlawed.... What a stupid thing to say. It has to do with being responsible and smart with your money. Expect the unexpected. Have a backup plan and savings. If that offends you. Well. 2 bad. I heed to my advice and don't have to worry and ask for my ticket money back, as I buy the stuff that is within my means. I'm responsible with my money, even though I go to a lot of rock shows. I'm not paying 500 $ for a stupid concert ticket, when I could get one for 150 $ that gives me the same, just without the fancy stuff. I don't pay 200 $ for a hotel, when I could get one for 70. I don't book stuff, that is uncancelable. The list goes on.
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15 minutes ago, James Bond said:
So it was unreasonable of them to not predict an economic fallout and a job loss several months prior when they purchased the tickets? People can spend their money however they please. However, times quickly changed and if I had just lost my job and had the option of getting a refund then I'd take the refund. The point is the option should be there, as it typically is. I don't feel sorry for Live Nation.
If 500 $ make or break you, then yes. Total dipshits. That's why you have savings, so you can get by should something unexpected happen. And I never disputed that the option should be there.
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You asked, Duff answered, from Blabbermouth:
GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan spoke to Riki Rachtman Radio's "The Triple R" podcast about how he and his family are coping with quarantine life during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic. He said: "We're looking at it very serious. I have two kids and a wife. We live in Seattle, so that was the first hotspot [in the U.S.]. We were down here [in L.A.] as a family. I was rehearsing with GUNS, ready to go out and do a South American tour, into Europe, into America. So, as the virus hit, we stayed in place in L.A. Mae [Duff's daughter] had come home from college, from New York, on March 11th, and that's kind of the day and days that things started really getting serious."
Duff went on to say that some people seem unable to grasp the profound gravity of what could lie ahead of us if we don't take aggressive action immediately.
"It's an exponential thing, and people who maybe invest money and know compounding of interest — if you get eight percent on your money compared to seven percent on your money, how much more money you can have over 20 years? This is compounding," he explained. "This is an exponential thing that happens when people don't stay home. I'm not blaming it on all the people that aren't staying home, but it's really fucking important to stay at home. Don't go out. Because it's not just you — we're not just talking about you. We're talking about two other people you're gonna infect, and then the four other people they're gonna infect into eight, and that happens [really quickly], that it can grow into 32 people you can infect."
McKagan also talked about the pain facing the U.S. economy as the coronavirus pandemic makes its swift pivot from public health crisis to financial catastrophe.
"I don't know what the outcome of this is gonna be in jobs," he said. "My most important thing right now is keeping the people that work for me employed. We have eighty-plus people on our crew that we're terrified about right now. We have to figure out what we're gonna do and keep them from losing their house or something like that. The only thing I can do is keep the people that work for me employed. I'm able to do that. I think it's a responsibility. I think it's patriotic — whether they're working or not."
He continued: "We have truck drivers. And we have hotels that we've booked, we have all the people that work in those hotels, the people who are working in parking lots and concessions, and everybody works for us, which is a big traveling group. We have riggers and carpenters and lighting people. And then, of course, the backline, people at the monitor, the sound people. And it adds up. Every time we go into a city, people come from outside the city and get their hotels to come stay and see us play and buy food at restaurants and all that kind of stuff. So we bring small economies to these cities we go to, and everybody's gonna feel it, of course.
"So, yeah, we feel a responsibility to get back out there," he added. "Of course, we can't until it's safe. So we sit here. We talk about it. We try to keep abreast of everything that's going on daily."
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On 7.4.2020 at 1:35 PM, James Bond said:
Brian May has been one of my favourite musicians to follow during this. Live streams of him just jamming in his living room, taking requests, and breaking down iconic Queen riffs. He's even posted playthroughs and encouraged musicians to take what he's played and have a "virtual jam" by adding your own drums, bass, etc...
Yeah. Also Melissa Etheridge is pretty cool. Doing a live mini concert from her home every day since this shit has started. Today is #25.
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8 hours ago, James Bond said:
Maybe they purchased that $500 VIP package to their favourite band well in advance. Now they've become unemployed due to COVID and that $500 could be a big help right now.
Well, I guess those dipshits shouldn't have spent that money to begin with. Serves them right.
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7 hours ago, allwaystired said:
Well then other bands ability to sell tickets for shows that aren't happening is up there with GNR's!
And if they really haven't communicated to fans that the shows aren't happening (I have no idea which bands we're talking about here) then their fan-communication skills are down there with GNR's!
Trebles all round!
The first GNR show is 5 weeks away now. Let's see how long it takes them to tell us it isn't happening......
Aerosmith, System of a down, Faith No More, Janet Jackson, Diana Ross, Rammstein, Lenny Kravitz, Sammy Hagar, Alanis Morissette, Lionel Richie, Hollywood Vampires
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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:
So you think everything else will go ahead then?
The 'nonsense' is suggesting any tour will go ahead as certain users claim constantly.
Where did I say that? All I said is that so far only one act has confirmed that their tour is postponed. And I'm not slated for some club acts. I'm talking about arena and stadium acts.
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2 hours ago, allwaystired said:
No, EVERYONE is cancelling or postponing right now.
Please don't start this nonsense again.
Yes. Out of all the bands I was slated to see this summer, only Queen has postponed. So you don't start the nonsense.
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6 hours ago, Draguns said:
It sucks that TicketMaster will not issue refunds and I have to wait a year for the concert. I'm still waiting on hearing for GNR and Bon Jovi. Both concerts are supposed to happen in the same week of July. Due to my experience with the Godsmack/Halestorm show, I'm expecting to hear something when it gets closer to the date. I'm thinking that both bands are probably working with the venue and promoter on a date for a rescheduled shows as seems to be the case with Godsmack/Halestorm.If the show doesn't take place on the date that is stated on your ticket, you're well within your rights to demand a refund. But like Erica said, what's the point when you wanna see them anyway. Unless you need the money. Or your seat is bad and you are hoping to get something better.
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4 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:
When the hell are these bands going to realize no tours will happen this year? I want my money back.
I would love to see my concerts, but I don't want to be in a venue with thousands of fans because even if this virus slows down does anyone really think they can enjoy themselves in a huge crowd?
I know I can't.
When the respective governments tells them, they can't do the shows. Nobody will cancel before that, as they will all lose out on money. It's different, when the state forbids the concerts.
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37 minutes ago, UcudBmine said:
I've heard several seniors say this, even on the news. They don't take this virus too serious and use it as a joke, you call it stupid but I respect the hell out of that attitude. We're a spoiled and lazy generation. Scared of everything.
They keep their distance, and that's about it.
Yeah. Because so many 80 year olds actually remember the war times.
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Wow. That actually is pretty cool. Impressive what can be done. I mean, of course, lying in there sick has to be a nightmare, but the whole complex, pretty amazing.