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Actually, it's not me constantly trying to ridicule your Defence League position (I think this is the first time I've ever mentioned it) but there are obviously many on here who have been saying that, so it's easy to get us confused. If you want to be pedantic about the word 'survive', go for it. I think we all know without Slash, GNR are as dead as a dodo. Yes they could probably limp around half sold bowling alleys and private parties again, if that helps the matter. In the eyes of the ticket buying public, they'd be done.

I suppose my definition of an 'employee' is always someone who works for someone else.....so if they're not equal partners, they are employees really. That's the way I see it, in any business really. Probably not an accurate way of seeing it though, in the legal sense. I'd be amazed if it was a continuation of the 1992 agreement. Surely Slash/Duffs management could get them a better deal than that on their business negotiations?

Huh? I don't know any details. I just go on the things I read here, usually links that @Blackstar posts which have references. It does feel like Slash and Duff are well paid employees, I agree with you. That's the impression that comes across- that it's very much Axl's band. I'm still not really sure about the 'knowing all the details' bit? None of us know much really - hence why we all come on here and speculate and share our viewpoints?

There is zero chance GNR would survive were they to lose Slash now. I know you like to play the 'GNR Defence League Representative' character on here, but it's absolutely ludicrous to suggest what worked (and wasn't really working towards the end of Nu-GNR) pre 2016 would work now. Without Slash GNR would be finished. Unless they fancied touring tiny theatres to minimal interest.

I think we did that in the last 1000 page thread. This is just a deluxe reissue, with bonus frustration, bafflement and resignation.

In what way are people doing that on here? I'm confused. GNR is a business that has three partners, as documented. They're not equal partners. Isn't this what people are discussing or am I missing something here?

What amazes me with this is that they even altered individual lines in songs, so half of one line is from one show, half from another. The amount of effort this must have taken is remarkable.....for what gain really? Madness.

Absolutely. At least 2 I'd say. What goes on with the guy, we can only speculate on (and do, frequently!) but Slash/Duff don't even seem to have the sway to get a live album released.

Without Slash the band would be dead now, no question. Axl knows that, TB knows that, we know that, Slash knows that. His position, I'd say, is placed due to that. More money, more prominence that the likes of Fortus, perhaps even a cut of the profits.....but if people think he has much sway in other stuff I'd say they're wrong. His manager will have negotiated him a good deal in this business. Doubtless he and Duff are pushing for an album (and if it was up to them we'd have it by now I'm sure) and I still feel those singles were done to appease them, because if Slash packs this up- this show is done.

If they're partners in the business then that obviously does put them above Fortus.....but there's no way they're equal partners. It's the Axl show all the way -as it has been since the 90s really. I don't see it as a 'band' structure at all, in the way that other bands are. I'm desperate for someone to write a real 'tell all' book about how this band operates! I can't see it happening really, but sort of hopeful Kat might do something at some point about life on the road and stuff.....although legal stuff will probably stop it.

Yeah I think he'd probably putting pressure on (same with Duff) but it doesn't seem to have much impact. My view on it is Slash is very much an employee, but one which the company knows is valuable and couldn't lose. Fortus is an employee too but more expendable. That's just the way it appears to me -it's the Axl brand and show all the way.

I honestly don't think he's far off- just better paid. The way he refers to GNR are really telling.

Yep. He's being honest about it, but his status when it comes to doing anything seems to be about the same level as Fortus. He talks about the band like he's an employee.....which I suppose is pretty much the case now.

"Guns N Roses are very hard to pin down to a date" is the understatement of the year. Poor old Slash. He must be sick of these questions.

I think you may have missed what the thread is about with that one!

Estranged Shacklers Revenge Shotgun Blues Out Ta Get Me That sort of covers a lot of bases, styles wise.

Yeah. It bothers me less when it's digital only. I've had a few bands recently though do it with CDs and physical stuff, which is very annoying. I'd have bought the deluxe initially, but I don't want to buy the same album twice! Agreed on Longfeather. Great song.

Is this digital only? I find these kinds of things really annoying when bands do them well after the release date- sort of a kick in the teeth to the people that go out and buy the album on release.

Haha! Didn't get very well received the second one, but I think it's totally as good as the first. A lot of people would disagree with me though!

You really don't need to give VR a 'deep dive'- they only made two albums! I'd like to see them reunited with a different singer to hear what they'd sound like and what they could write. It would be different of course, but I think it could work. From what others have said on this thread though it seems unlikely, even though they did spend quite some time auditioning for a new singer to replace Scott, if memory serves.

I'd imagine SMKC will do another album regardless. I agree- it's decent rock n roll, a fun listen, and I hope they do more stuff.

He was one of the biggest rockstars of the 80s. You won't BELIEVE what Axl Rose does now..... CLICK NOW!!!

The way I see it is that GNR don't 'owe' us anything. They don't want to make music - up to them. It's not like they're taking money from us and not delivering. We're not paying for albums they're not delivering. The other side is that it's very frustrating for people that have been fans for decades. It's made more frustrating by the carrot-dangling that's gone on for years of new material just being around the corner. That makes it feel very infuriating. If GNR said "no, we're done now, come and see us play if you want, it'll be the same music, but there's no new stuff planned, at least for the foreseeable future" I think the dynamic would change. I think most people would respect that honesty. On a personal level it's the chronic waste of time, talent and opportunity that annoys me. People would kill for the attention and fan base GNR have, let alone the talents of every single band member, and to just let that pass by year after year seems such a waste to me. I'm not going to ever defend that. Ultimately though..... it's boring to a lot of people. And GNR were never boring.

Did that wanting and asking come out of the blue though, or after others asking to write/record new music?

I wouldn't imagine 'pressure' is the term, but given their productivity and activities outside of the band, it must be clear they get restless- and surely they must have made rumblings about new music on several occasions and asked questions about it...otherwise even the little that has happened wouldn't have done. I can't see Axl being the driving force on them recording their additions, especially given he seemingly did nothing new himself to the tracks.