This Rio show was a complete DISASTER

[Kill Devil Hill]

Okay, it's one thing to say the show was bad, but it's quite another to say he's ruined and should retire...

[SoulMonster]

some are just tired of waiting for that GNR comeback

Comeback to what exactly? To the heights of the 90's? Never going to happen. Stop waiting, live your lives.

it's been more than 10 years since the whole Chinesse Democracy started, and GNR are exactly in the same spot they where back then...

No, since then GN'R has released a record and toured massively.

sure, it' always nice to see Axl back.. but GNR is becoming a nostalgia act...

And they will remain a nostalgia act as long as their back catalogue is of more interest to concert goers than their current material.

things aren't clearly moving forward.. saying otherwise is just denial

I was disappointed when I learnt that a new record has not been in the works, so in that regard things are not moving forward. But on the other hand it hasn't been that long since CD was released. Some bands just release music less often than others, and 4-5 years is really not shockingly infrequent. Let's hope the band will start recording again, as alluded to by a couple of band members, when the current tour is finished.

If you have been a fan for a while you would recognize 2008/2009/2010/2011 as GREAT years in the history of GN'R, with a new record, extensive touring an even Axl spending hours chatting with people in fan fora. After 1995 I honestly never expected something like this to happen again. Of course it cannot rival GN'R's heydays back in the late 80's and earl 90's, but still, it is pretty good and more than what many people would have betted on. I am satisfied. But then again I don't have ridiculous expectations.

Edited October 4, 2011 by SoulMonster

[rhb]

Almost all the press here in Brazil was positive about the show. Axl had problems with his flight (Beta´s fault??), traveled for long 10 hours, arrived at Rio 5:00 PM and sang from 2:40 AM until 5:10 AM. It was actually good. I watched the show on Multishow, that is not the main TV channel (is a paid one) here, and the sound mixing was much better than Globo´s or what I listened on internet later. I also talked to people that was on the show and they all loved it.

I watched old Guns back in 1993 in Sao Paulo. They stared 2,5 hours late and also cut the set list because of the amount f rain. On that days people complained that Axl´s voice was too "raspy" and he was almost screaming instead of singing.

So:

1) Axl sings a kind of music that is very difficult to maintain in a high level. He is starting a 30 shows tour and is normal to try not to fuck with the vocal cords in the first one. He didn´t miss one high note !

2) The Globo´s and Internet mixing let Axl´s voice much higher then the instruments, comparing to Multishow mixing

3) Axl is 20 years older... I think it´s great that he stills here for us. And we all know that he is going to get better along the tour

4) Brazilian press and most of the people here enjoyed it a lot. And it´s unusual because he had serious problems on the last tour here

5) I love Slash, but can´t even move on the stage anymore. He has serious heart problems an internal defibrilator device. But we don´t keep waiting him to jump all over the places like he used to do. Well, he plays the guitar, and it´s much easier than singing for 2-3 hours in terms of cardiovascvular system

6) The rain didn´t help at all. Mainly on Axl performance !

I think people on this forum are being very pessimist. I can´t really understand it. I can´tr believed there are this kind of "love or hate" around Axl on a GN´R forum.

willing to accept a performance like that is probably what everyone is worried about...

critizicing it is recognizing that the band is not improving, and they need to.. but wait... we've heard that before

some are just tired of waiting for that GNR comeback, it's been more than 10 years since the whole Chinesse Democracy started, and GNR are exactly in the same spot they where back then... sure, it' always nice to see Axl back.. but GNR is becoming a nostalgia act... "let's go crazy with the old songs, they rocked.... let's hear what the new band has to offer now...... ok i'm good, not having that"

things aren't clearly moving forward.. saying otherwise is just denial

Axl and GN´R does not keep this forum on. We´re all here because we like GN´R, but the true is that they never keep promising things. They don´t deserve us nothing and are not our employes. We all hope to listen something new from GN´R, but the true is that we can´t stay wating....Maybe something new in 2-3 years, at the best, but who knows? The fact is tha GN´R is on the main TV and newspapaer around the world again. People should compare Axl to other high level performance AND singing. I enjoy Rolling Stones, but if Axl sang that way, he could do it until he is 80 years old.

[Damn_Smooth]

No, you're the dumbass that's willing to accept a performance that was pure shit.

You're the dumbass that isn't smart enough to realize that the people that were actually at the show had a great time. Yet you still sti here whining worse than a 3 year old. Fuck off and go waste peoples time in a forum for a band you like.

if you were at the show and you had a great time, good for you. i couldn't be happier for you.

am i whining worse than a three year old, or am i whining worse than a washed up 50 year old that's "so pissed right now"? should i just stand here on this spot and "sing"?

No man, you should get off the stage completely. I wasn't at the show and I wasn't impressed by the performance at all. I'm just appreciative of the fact that it wasn't as bad as it has been in the past, and I saw it for free.

[Sonny Largo]

Another ringing endorsement.

It wasn't as bad as it's been before, and you're appreciative of that.

I can't sing at all, but I'm sure you'd love me. My voice isn't as bad as some others you've heard.

Edited October 4, 2011 by Sonny Largo

[Damn_Smooth]

Another ringing endorsement.

It wasn't as bad as it's been before, and you're appreciative of that.

I can't sing at all, but I'm sure you'd love me. My voice isn't as bad as some others you've heard.

And if you're not, you should have left a long time ago because things were a lot worse. Post your best Axl impersonation and we'll see if you can top Rio.

[Sonny Largo]

Pal, I've been a fan since 1987. And as far as I'm concerned, this is the low point.

I've been ridiculed for years for still believing in Axl. I've defended him through riots and no-shows and (supposed) woman beating and the VMAs and the 2002 debacle and the joke that Chinese Democracy became. I stood up for him because I thought he still had talent and drive. But now I see that he doesn't give a shit. It's one excuse after another, one justification after another.

And I do think Axl owes us something. He owes us effort. If he can't be bothered to even try, then fuck him.

[jarvispmitchell]

Another ringing endorsement.

It wasn't as bad as it's been before, and you're appreciative of that.

I can't sing at all, but I'm sure you'd love me. My voice isn't as bad as some others you've heard.

And if you're not, you should have left a long time ago because things were a lot worse. Post your best Axl impersonation and we'll see if you can top Rio.

really? that's the best defense you got for axl's latest suckfest? it's okay as long as he's better than some dude on the forum? if axl's getting paid top bucks to headline rio, i hope you could muster slightly higher expectations. but of course, if you were someone with high expectations, you couldn't be a fan of fat axl.

[Damn_Smooth]

Pal, I've been a fan since 1987. And as far as I'm concerned, this is the low point.

I've been ridiculed for years for still believing in Axl. I've defended him through riots and no-shows and (supposed) woman beating and the VMAs and the 2002 debacle and the joke that Chinese Democracy became. I stood up for him because I thought he still had talent and drive. But now I see that he doesn't give a shit. It's one excuse after another, one justification after another.

And I do think Axl owes us something. He owes us effort. If he can't be bothered to even try, then fuck him.

Exactly. I know you feel that way, but what makes you think anyone cares? Why are you still here if you no longer have interest in the band?

[Sonny Largo]

Post your best Axl impersonation and we'll see if you can top Rio.

I just tried, but I guess YouTube has a rule against videos of girls being forced to piss in a litter box. Fucking haters.

[Coltrane]

If you have been a fan for a while you would recognize 2008/2009/2010/2011 as GREAT years in the history of GN'R.

I am satisfied.

which means you're easily amused.. and that you don't have a great musical taste

1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992 and 1993 were GREAT years in the history of gnr

the rest is mediocre or plain horrible

Edited October 4, 2011 by Coltrane

[Damn_Smooth]

Another ringing endorsement.

It wasn't as bad as it's been before, and you're appreciative of that.

I can't sing at all, but I'm sure you'd love me. My voice isn't as bad as some others you've heard.

And if you're not, you should have left a long time ago because things were a lot worse. Post your best Axl impersonation and we'll see if you can top Rio.

really? that's the best defense you got for axl's latest suckfest? it's okay as long as he's better than some dude on the forum? if axl's getting paid top bucks to headline rio, i hope you could muster slightly higher expectations. but of course, if you were someone with high expectations, you couldn't be a fan of fat axl.

No, it's ok because the people that were there had a great time and I didn't pay a damn thing to see it. Nobody made you watch it. If you felt it was that bad you should have been smart enough to turn it off. It's your own damn fault you watched it, so quit bitching about it. But I guess bitching about it on a forum makes you feel special right?

Post your best Axl impersonation and we'll see if you can top Rio.

I just tried, but I guess YouTube has a rule against videos of girls being forced to piss in a litter box. Fucking haters.

I hate it when that happens. I could have set a record for dislikes if they'd only allow me to post.

[SoulMonster]

If you have been a fan for a while you would recognize 2008/2009/2010/2011 as GREAT years in the history of GN'R.

I am satisfied.

which means you're easily amused.. and that you don't have a great musical taste

No, it doesn't necessarily mean any of that, but points to you for trying. It does mean, though, that I found CD to be an okay record and that I thoroughly enjoyed many of the concerts in the last years, and that I, when I compare it to many other quadruplets of years prior to 2008, find it a lot better than most. 1995 to 1999 was pretty hopeless, as an example. But I guess haters gonna hate and whiners gonna whine.

[Kill Devil Hill]

If you have been a fan for a while you would recognize 2008/2009/2010/2011 as GREAT years in the history of GN'R.

I am satisfied.

which means you're easily amused.. and that you don't have a great musical taste

1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992 and 1993 were GREAT years in the history of gnr

the rest is mediocre or plain horrible

Who are you to say Soul Monster doesn't have great taste in music? You guys are on the same music forum for fuck's sake.

Whoops. Forgot you were the music police.

[Meanmachine22]

well Axl was clearly not playing his "A Game " but it wasn't that bad either.

Everybody here is so negative! That show had to be a failure ! Why ? Because the majority of us expected 20 new songs + Estranged + Coma in a 5 hours set ending with the announcement of CD II.

that's bullshit. Never gonna happen.

Actually to me it more seemed like Axl was not feeling good during november rain. I was sitting in front of my pc and were literally waiing for him to fall off his chair. Same during patience.

I think he was close to a pass out!. Am i seeing flying pigs here ? Maybe.. maybe not. To me it seemed like he had physical trouble, got unsecure and umcomfortable and cut the set short.

Until November rain it was fine with me. His voice wasn't that good but we know that from previous tour starts!

Now people posting that Axl should retire and he is a douchebag blah blah .. You know i also would like to see him deliver the best every time but he is human. I am 37 and i wish i could still handle 2 girls in bed but fuck that i can't because time is an ugly bitch !!!!

Yes he could have been in Rio a little earlier but that is his way. All of you are here because you like the music and the fact that this forum has so many members shows that most of us are at least willing to arrange with Axl behaviour ( a little ) ..? up to you to decide!

I watched some of the clips 2 minutes ago in order to fix my memory. THAT SHOW WAS NOT A DESASTER

[Sonny Largo]

If he had sung well, I would've been pleased. If he had at least seemed to try, I would've been pleased. I couldn't care less about the setlist or the set length...13 songs in 90 minutes is fine, if the songs sound good.

[Damn_Smooth]

well Axl was clearly not playing his "A Game " but it wasn't that bad either.

Everybody here is so negative! That show had to be a failure ! Why ? Because the majority of us expected 20 new songs + Estranged + Coma in a 5 hours set ending with the announcement of CD II.

that's bullshit. Never gonna happen.

Actually to me it more seemed like Axl was not feeling good during november rain. I was sitting in front of my pc and were literally waiing for him to fall off his chair. Same during patience.

I think he was close to a pass out!. Am i seeing flying pigs here ? Maybe.. maybe not. To me it seemed like he had physical trouble, got unsecure and umcomfortable and cut the set short.

Until November rain it was fine with me. His voice wasn't that good but we know that from previous tour starts!

Now people posting that Axl should retire and he is a douchebag blah blah .. You know i also would like to see him deliver the best every time but he is human. I am 37 and i wish i could still handle 2 girls in bed but fuck that i can't because time is an ugly bitch !!!!

Yes he could have been in Rio a little earlier but that is his way. All of you are here because you like the music and the fact that this forum has so many members shows that most of us are at least willing to arrange with Axl behaviour ( a little ) ..? up to you to decide!

I watched some of the clips 2 minutes ago in order to fix my memory. THAT SHOW WAS NOT A DESASTER

One word: VIAGRA.

Two bitches ain't shit.

[PappyTron]

Bang tidy!

[GNR123GNR456]

Should everybody chill the fuck out about Rio and stop acting like it's the worst concert in GN'R history? Yes.

1 bad show doesn't qualify that Axl fuckin' Rose should retire, stop touring, or it's the "death" of GN'R, he's human after all. Sure, it was a big show, but Axl just wasn't prepared and it is what it is. They rehearsed Oh My God, and probably many more songs, but the rain and late start (thank's to the rain) probably cut the set short so they couldn't do most of songs they had planned. Axl wasn't on par with his 2010 voice, but he can get it back, he has before. Sure, he may not be in shape, but he'll probably get in better shape as the tour goes on. And it's obvious they couldn't have put on the show they wanted to because of the weather.

If Axl continue's to forget lyrics on the upcoming shows, than it'll be a problem, but right now it was just a rough start. Hopefully Axl can bounce back and have a awesome South America and US tour.

Plus, he's a perfectionist, and it seemed that messing the lyrics up really pissed him off. I think if it wasn't raining the show would've been better, because I think it was hard for Axl to even read the lyrics considering the teleprompter was covered with plastic and it was raining the whole set. Many people they were there say they loved it, the only one's who didn't are the one's who watched it on the Youtube stream with the skipping, volume going up and down all night, and the mix was awful at times. If the people at the Rio show enjoyed it, than that's all that matters.

The show was great, Axl wasn't, big deal. Shit happens, and we move on. Many people are acting like it's the end of GN'R as we know it, that it's all over. I would have loved to hear the criticism of Rock in Rio 2001, or the VMA'S 2002. Or hell, Rock in Lisbon 2006. Axl has bad nights, his voice isn't on good, he leaves mid set, he gets pissed off, but he always find some way to come back.

I am no way making excuses for Axl not being at his full potential at Rio, but it's not the end of the world. We had no new songs, but we got Estranged, an song alot of people on this forum wanted to be played again. Be lucky we were able to watch the show free of charge on a Youtube stream, than having to stand for 3 hours in the pouring rain.

[THE Baby]

I promised myself I wouldn't jump in on this, but I've had it with you lot!

This topic is what happens when you put a bunch of wannabe idiots on the internet. You all think you're all that with your little sarcastic quips behind your keyboard where no one can see you! What exactly gives you the right to criticize someone who's done a fuck of a lot more with his life than all of you combined!?

D..., Its "harder" to read your comments (fucking seriously!) about Axl's performance than it was to actually watch it. Stop being so melo-goddamn-dramatic. It was pretty fucking good I thought! Especially considering the conditions!

Big deal, he fluffed a couple of lines and (knowing he's got a fucking tour coming up) didn't push his voice to the max straightaway. He sounded like he did at RIR3, which, being 10 years ago isn't bad! I also knew if I was there I would have enjoyed it a fuck-of-a-lot more, having seen Gn'R twice and having the utmost time of my life both times! I only wish they played Estranged at THOSE shows!

Axl is nearly 50 years old, and in the early days he was killing his throat with his singing style and no in-ear-monitors. He might have sounded kick-ass then, but why don't you try doing that for 25 years and see where your voice ends up!? If he wasn't "trying" (Sonny Largo), it was probably because he fucking knew there was a tour after this, didn't wanna fuck his voice up, it was pissing down with rain, and he knows that somewhere there are always dickhead forum members and paparazzi looking to slate him, as well as a fuckload of people wanting him to reunite with his mortal enemy. Think about that for a second, and imagine how you would feel. (Imagine being forced to get back with a particularly hateful ex).

[moreblack]

I promised myself I wouldn't jump in on this, but I've had it with you lot!

should've never made that promise, not at this place.

[Sonny Largo]

You are completely delusional.

Keep making excuses if you want.

Edited October 4, 2011 by Sonny Largo

[GNR123GNR456]

I promised myself I wouldn't jump in on this, but I've had it with you lot!

This topic is what happens when you put a bunch of wannabe idiots on the internet. You all think you're all that with your little sarcastic quips behind your keyboard where no one can see you! What exactly gives you the right to criticize someone who's done a fuck of a lot more with his life than all of you combined!?

D..., Its "harder" to read your comments (fucking seriously!) about Axl's performance than it was to actually watch it. Stop being so melo-goddamn-dramatic. It was pretty fucking good I thought! Especially considering the conditions!

Big deal, he fluffed a couple of lines and (knowing he's got a fucking tour coming up) didn't push his voice to the max straightaway. He sounded like he did at RIR3, which, being 10 years ago isn't bad! I also knew if I was there I would have enjoyed it a fuck-of-a-lot more, having seen Gn'R twice and having the utmost time of my life both times! I only wish they played Estranged at THOSE shows!

Axl is nearly 50 years old, and in the early days he was killing his throat with his singing style and no in-ear-monitors. He might have sounded kick-ass then, but why don't you try doing that for 25 years and see where your voice ends up!? If he wasn't "trying" (Sonny Largo), it was probably because he fucking knew there was a tour after this, didn't wanna fuck his voice up, it was pissing down with rain, and he knows that somewhere there are always dickhead forum members and paparazzi looking to slate him, as well as a fuckload of people wanting him to reunite with his mortal enemy. Think about that for a second, and imagine how you would feel. (Imagine being forced to get back with a particularly hateful ex).

+1

[GNR123GNR456]

LOL. Now you guys are making excuses. If he wanted to "reserve" his voice for the tour, he sure picked a funny night to do it.

Yeah, "reserving his voice" seem's strange to do on a night like Rock In Rio.

I just think he was unprepared, and the circumstances (the rain, not rehearsing) added to his not so good performance.

[SoulMonster]

You are completely delusional.

Keep making excuses if you want.

Hey, when are you going to take the consequences of not being a fan and stop making a fool of yourself by posting on a fan forum?