Damn_Smooth Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) We have discussed this to death, but I think he's intentionally holding back. He has had some great performances of a lot of songs on this tour, but it isn't consistent like it was in those previous tours. I'm secretly hoping that he's holding back because he intends to get in the studio.Why would he go on a tour where he is not gonna give 100% and do his best.. Sounds weird to me.Because giving 100% at 3 hour shows night after night could possibly destroy his voice for good. He also sang way worse in 2001-2002. Makes a bit of sense to me.Not that I'm trying to make it make sense for you. That really doesn't matter to me. Edited July 14, 2012 by Damn_Smooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koldbeer2 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think he is holding back, its obvious that when he wants to go full out, he still can.I simply think he is starting to feel his age now. I mean the guy is the wrong side of 50 and singing guts out with rasp is going to have the effect of reducing your range. its either he rasps for the enxt few years and he loses anything above a certain note possibly forever, or he is careful and can still pull out the power notes towards 60.He isn't 30 anymore though, he can't afford to be careless. If you think it sounds rough now, at least he can still get the notes. If he kept 2010 up for several years, my bet would be that by 2015 his voice would be totally shot and probably ruined...Heck he probably lost 2-3 notes at the top end during that Euro 2010 tour, hence why he started to pull out of the very highest notes. Several years of that style of singing isn't going to help.Also consider this is the FIRST time GnR have consistantly toured since UYI days. In previous tours with this band he had several years to really recover. Now I think Axl knows this band is pretty solid and will tour pretty much every year or so, so Axl can't afford to blow his voice totally out....he's toured every year from 2009 with this band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianGNR Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 AMAZING nightrain from last night's show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koldbeer2 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Listening to some of last nights show, I think his mid range is starting to weaken alot now, so I think Axl hasn't got a choice but to go more raspy with it, for example during the 2nd half of Estranged you can really hear him struggling when he goes clean, so he inflects more rasp into it, pretty light rasp but its there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianGNR Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 He used some rasp in the SCOM, from last night's show also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianGNR Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Don't know what he did last night, but his singing was amazing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Wow. The excuses fans come up with for the guy not sounding like he used to. Axl himself said he wont go on until he can give 100%, and now he Is holding back and doing It Intentionally. Come on man, his voice just Isn't what It once was, he still puts on a great show, so why can't we just accept that and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Wow. The excuses fans come up with for the guy not sounding like he used to. Axl himself said he wont go on until he can give 100%, and now he Is holding back and doing It Intentionally. Come on man, his voice just Isn't what It once was, he still puts on a great show, so why can't we just accept that and move on.So by your logic, Axl was giving 100% in 2001-2002 when he sounded way worse than he does now? I would completely agree with you if the situation wasn't far bleaker before. I would and did agree with you then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 He has the money to hire the best vocal coaches in the world to help him.But he chooses not to stay in top form and/or rehearse. It's disrespectful to the fans at this point....or his voice really is shot and this is the best we are gonna get from now on? Some times you just can't help it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm going off of what Axl said, giving 100% doesn't add up with holding back and doing it Intentionally, does It? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm going off of what Axl said, giving 100% doesn't add up with holding back and doing it Intentionally, does It?Would Axl admit that he wasn't giving 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Broskirose Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I think Axl's in that weird transition phase into getting his voice back. He either sounds horrible or amazing lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axl8302 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I has a great time at the London gig, but his voice was nowhere near as good as in was 2010 London shows. Those two shows were the best I'd ever heard Axl sing (in person). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm going off of what Axl said, giving 100% doesn't add up with holding back and doing it Intentionally, does It?Would Axl admit that he wasn't giving 100%?You tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm going off of what Axl said, giving 100% doesn't add up with holding back and doing it Intentionally, does It?Would Axl admit that he wasn't giving 100%?You tell me.It's doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 What conclusion have we come to then? My take would be that sometimes Axl Is untruthful. Maybe the whole I won't take the stage until I can give 100% Is his way of saying, I just wasn't ready to go on and If that means keeping the fans waiting, then so be It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 What conclusion have we come to then? My take would be that sometimes Axl Is untruthful. Maybe the whole I won't take the stage until I can give 100% Is his way of saying, I just wasn't ready to go on and If that means keeping the fans waiting, then so be It.What that really means to me is that "My favorite re-run of Dexter isn't over yet, so I'm not going any fucking where." but you can interpret it how you want to. Everybody on this planet is far less than 100% truthful though, so whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 No need to get upset, your the one that said It was doubtful that Axl would ever admit to saying that he wasn't giving 100%. I just agreed with you and said that Axl Isn't always truthful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveysham Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 maybe it's the compromise of doing a 3 hr show nearly every show as opposed to 2 and a half hours. I got the sense he picked his spots with rasp for the purpose of endurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbgnr Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Don't know what he did last night, but his singing was amazing: Yeah I agree, this is an excellent performance of estranged.That little extra grit on the second half makes a difference,and to tell you the truth to me he sounds better here than on any old performance that I've seen vids of.Awesome.I'd love to hear this song live in concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Axl doesn't sing with as cool of an accent anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmt Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Nice job on the second part of Estranged, no doubt his voice was better. Thank you for posting It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) He's lazy, when he can be bothered to apply some technique, he sounds alright. When he gets out of breath it's embarrassing, one of the sloppiest things a singer can do. Edited July 15, 2012 by Babooshka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Axl sounds amazing in that video. thaaaat's a healthy bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlfan88 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Axl sounds amazing in that video. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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