Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 We've already been there like 10 pages ago, didn't we? Also, he apparently has a shitload of explosives in his apartment. Yeah and the best answer i got is he'd be worried bout blowing his fingers off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanGenie Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1.in addition it's much more risky to go round and kill people with a knife. you need some physical strength and balls and thats a quality these pale and skinny fucks dont have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1.in addition it's much more risky to go round and kill people with a knife. you need some physical strength and balls and thats a quality these pale and skinny fucks dont have.Strong enough to cock shotguns Ever tried doing that? These boys ain't that big weenies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1. Alright then what if he planted a nail bomb in there, they're reasonably easy to put together..Exactly, you may not be able to do it with a knife but you could sure as fuck put together a makeshift bomb out of household products. Hell he probably could happve taken out more if he did. Call me crazy but didn't our crazy CANADIAN porn star friend use blades when he ripped apart, ate, and fucked the body of that kid? I guess that's just their culture. Killers will kill no matter what weapons are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBear Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Guns are just way deadlier, way easier, than most other weapons. Can we agree on this? You can't necessarily stop someone from making a bomb but you can stop people from owning guns. Making a bomb is just a bit tougher to do, then you have to plant it unnoticed, unless you are going to be a suicide bomber or something and take yourself out of the picture at the same time. Banning guns wouldn't be about banning all forms of weaponry, just the one most common and easiest to use in the commission of murder. It's like putting a club on your car, right? It won't prevent the theft of the car if the thief is determined enough, but you make it harder so that 9 out of 10 thieves aren't going to bother. By banning guns, you make murder more difficult to accomplish.Len, you asked is the world somehow safe now that we have cops? No, it's not totally safe, but having cops and the justice system does make it safer than not having those things. I know you want to settle things by yourself, and that's kind of commendable, but can you imagine a developed world like we have without the structure of the justice system? It wouldn't work. In your world someone could break into your house and kill you. Because he's killed you he gets away with it (there is no one else to fight back, assuming you were alone at the time). No criminal record means he can get a job and live life like an ordinary citizen. Do the same thing with cops around and he'll have the cops on his tail. They will do whatever leg work they can to find him and prosecute him.As for hunting, if you live so remotely you need to hunt then fine. I'm talking about the caveman city dweller who needs to get his jollies by driving up to the woods to shoot something. And I bet that's most hunters right there. Now I'm not a vegetarian and maybe that makes me a hypocrite, but in the Western world we see dogs and horses a certain way, and that's how I see wild animals. We've messed up their habitat enough, let's at least leave them alone in what habitat they have left. As for cows and pigs and chickens and the like, I say do it as humanely as possible and ensure they have good living conditions.The only strong argument I've seen for citizens owning guns is, if a horrible dictator comes to power then the people can fight back. But how practical this would be in society today is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 You can't necessarily stop someone from making a bomb but you can stop people from owning guns. No you can't. There will always be an unregulated black market, to make firearms illegal would only make them easier to get, MUCH easier. No waiting periods, no background checks, it's best to keep the majority of firearms sales above ground in clear daylight.It's illegal to own drugs, that law is serving its purpose just great. This would be no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No you can't. There will always be an unregulated black market, to make firearms illegal would only make them easier to get, MUCH easier. Really, cos I have absolutely no idea how I would go about getting a gun now and a few years ago when they were legal all I would have had to do would be fill in a form and go to the store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeshi Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 News just broke..he bought the guns legally."A right to bear arms"...woo-hoo! The guns were held legally - so what?I own guns and I've never walked into a theater and shot it up and neither have any of the dozens of gun owners that I know.You didn't..this guy did.12 people are dead,over 50 injured,and you're asking so what?If a small number of people abuse a right, we should take it away? Cars get used in murder, people use free speech to advocate hate and murder. Should we start banning those too, so you can feel "safe?"The gun grabbers can go to hell. It's our right and they're not taking it away. “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”Benjamin Franklin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No you can't. There will always be an unregulated black market, to make firearms illegal would only make them easier to get, MUCH easier. Really, cos I have absolutely no idea how I would go about getting a gun now and a few years ago when they were legal all I would have had to do would be fill in a form and go to the store. congratulations, you aren't a criminal If you really wanted to buy a gun, and you had fellow criminal friends who could point you in the right direction, I'm sure you would be able to find what you're looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) No you can't. There will always be an unregulated black market, to make firearms illegal would only make them easier to get, MUCH easier. Really, cos I have absolutely no idea how I would go about getting a gun now and a few years ago when they were legal all I would have had to do would be fill in a form and go to the store. congratulations, you aren't a criminal If you really wanted to buy a gun, and you had fellow criminal friends who could point you in the right direction, I'm sure you would be able to find what you're looking forOkay so I was exaggerating a little there but trust me when I say the US attitude to guns is so massively different to other places that gun laws that DO work in other countries wouldn't be a success in the States. It's a completely different ballgame. Most criminals over here don't think about using firearms. Our police don't even carry guns and when they were asked to vote on it a few years back the overwhelming consensus was to keep it that way. They're simply not a part of our society so strict controls do work here because we've never had them and therefore don't miss them. We don't have the mentality where we feel we have to own a gun to protect ourselves cos 95% of us don't feel threatened by guns and have probablly never even seen one. I agree that stricter controls would have no impact in the US but that's not to say they don't work at all anywhere. Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) No you can't. There will always be an unregulated black market, to make firearms illegal would only make them easier to get, MUCH easier. Really, cos I have absolutely no idea how I would go about getting a gun now and a few years ago when they were legal all I would have had to do would be fill in a form and go to the store. congratulations, you aren't a criminal If you really wanted to buy a gun, and you had fellow criminal friends who could point you in the right direction, I'm sure you would be able to find what you're looking forOkay so I was exaggerating a little there but trust me when I say the US attitude to guns is so massively different to other places that gun laws that DO work in other countries wouldn't be a success in the States. It's a completely different ballgame. Most criminals over here don't think about using firearms. Our police don't even carry guns and when they were asked to vote on it a few years back the overwhelming consensus was to keep it that way. They're simply not a part of our society so strict controls do work here because we've never had them and therefore don't miss them. We don't have the mentality where we feel we have to own a gun to protect ourselves cos 95% of us don't feel threatened by guns and have probablly never even seen one. I agree that stricter controls would have no impact in the US but that's not to say they don't work at all anywhere.You're criminals don't think of using firearms? I find that very hard to believe.It's great that it works for you in your country but this is a very different country with very different problems and a much higher rate of crime overall for a number of different reasons. You can't simply remove guns from the equation and expect crime to go down, besides the whole premise of the right to bear arms is to trust in our citizens so they can protect their own households and their families. It really sucks when bad people break that trust and use guns to do bad things, but banning firearms and eliminating that trust all together is not the right way for the government to address that problem imo. Edited July 21, 2012 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No. Firearms are necessary to protect yourself from the government.Don't be silly. What happens when your government becomes a Nazi regime and imprisons half of its people? You are a damned fool if you support banning firearms. Firearms are the last remaining source of protection this country has from its own lawmakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) You're criminals don't think of using firearms? I find that very hard to believe.You'll note my use of the word "most" when I said that. Like I said our police don't even carry guns and they voted to say they didn't want them when asked.It's great that it works for you in your country but this is a very different country with very different problems and a much higher rate of crime overall for a number of different reasons. You can't simply remove guns from the equation and expect crime to go down, besides the whole premise of the right to bear arms is to trust in our citizens so they can protect their own households and their families. It really sucks when bad people break that trust and use guns to do bad things, but banning firearms and eliminating that trust all together is not the right way for the government to address that problem imo.I agree with that totally. Gun ownership is an integral part of your culture since before you were even a country so it's obvious nothing's going to change now. I was saying that gun controls are effective in stopping things ever getting to that stage which is the major difference. We've never had them, don't want them and are happy to have that enshrined in law.No. Firearms are necessary to protect yourself from the government.Don't be silly. What happens when your government becomes a Nazi regime and imprisons half of its people? You are a damned fool if you support banning firearms. Firearms are the last remaining source of protection this country has from its own lawmakers.Hahahahhaha! Nazi regime? Imprisons its own people? Go on then show me an example of that in the US cos I know you've got an overcrowded prison system but I didn't know you'd banged up 175 million people! Wow! Might want to lose the tinfoil hat there buddy. Also we're talking about the US government here. Do you really think there's jack shit you could do even if they decided to do what you're talking about? Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 You're criminals don't think of using firearms? I find that very hard to believe.You'll note my use of the word "most" when I said that. Like I said our police don't even carry guns and they voted to say they didn't want them when asked.It's great that it works for you in your country but this is a very different country with very different problems and a much higher rate of crime overall for a number of different reasons. You can't simply remove guns from the equation and expect crime to go down, besides the whole premise of the right to bear arms is to trust in our citizens so they can protect their own households and their families. It really sucks when bad people break that trust and use guns to do bad things, but banning firearms and eliminating that trust all together is not the right way for the government to address that problem imo.I agree with that totally. Gun ownership is an integral part of your culture since before you were even a country so it's obvious nothing's going to change now. I was saying that gun controls are effective in stopping things ever getting to that stage which is the major difference. We've never had them, don't want them and are happy to have that enshrined in law.No. Firearms are necessary to protect yourself from the government.Don't be silly. What happens when your government becomes a Nazi regime and imprisons half of its people? You are a damned fool if you support banning firearms. Firearms are the last remaining source of protection this country has from its own lawmakers.Hahahahhaha! Nazi regime? Imprisons its own people? Go on then show me an example of that in the US cos I know you've got an overcrowded prison system but I didn't know you'd banged up 175 million people! Wow! Might want to lose the tinfoil hat there buddy. 'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.' ~ Benjamin Franklin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.' ~ Benjamin FranklinYeah that's already been quoted by somebody but it doesn't explain who these 200 million or so people in prison are that you were on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 You're criminals don't think of using firearms? I find that very hard to believe.You'll note my use of the word "most" when I said that. Like I said our police don't even carry guns and they voted to say they didn't want them when asked.It's great that it works for you in your country but this is a very different country with very different problems and a much higher rate of crime overall for a number of different reasons. You can't simply remove guns from the equation and expect crime to go down, besides the whole premise of the right to bear arms is to trust in our citizens so they can protect their own households and their families. It really sucks when bad people break that trust and use guns to do bad things, but banning firearms and eliminating that trust all together is not the right way for the government to address that problem imo.I agree with that totally. Gun ownership is an integral part of your culture since before you were even a country so it's obvious nothing's going to change now. I was saying that gun controls are effective in stopping things ever getting to that stage which is the major difference. We've never had them, don't want them and are happy to have that enshrined in law.No. Firearms are necessary to protect yourself from the government.Don't be silly. What happens when your government becomes a Nazi regime and imprisons half of its people? You are a damned fool if you support banning firearms. Firearms are the last remaining source of protection this country has from its own lawmakers.Hahahahhaha! Nazi regime? Imprisons its own people? Go on then show me an example of that in the US cos I know you've got an overcrowded prison system but I didn't know you'd banged up 175 million people! Wow! Might want to lose the tinfoil hat there buddy. Also we're talking about the US government here. Do you really think there's jack shit you could do even if they decided to do what you're talking about? Well I certainly hope nobody else like this asshole attains a gun illegally and decides to mow people down in the streets of London because that would sure be one hell of a mess. Unarmed police officers, no civilians with concealed carriers licenses... Some people are fucking crazy, no law can change that, and anyone can get a weapon weather they're illegal or not. Personally I feel much safer knowing that good honest people with no intent to harm anybody are trusted to be responsible gun owners, so when these unfortunate instances arise they can be dealt with with the smallest number of casualties possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) My point is if you're willing to give up firearms to increase safety then you're fucking stupid. Edited July 21, 2012 by arnold layne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) My point is if you're willing to give up firearms to increase safety then you're fucking stupid.No your point was that you want to overthrow the government cos they're a bunch of Nazis who are locking up millions of innocent people and must be stopped. Also please tell me where I said I wanted to give up any firearms? Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 My point is if you're willing to give up firearms to increase safety then you're fucking stupid.No your point was that you want to overthrow the government cos they're a bunch of Nazis who are locking up millions of innocent people.That was an example. You are taking that out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 My point is if you're willing to give up firearms to increase safety then you're fucking stupid.No your point was that you want to overthrow the government cos they're a bunch of Nazis who are locking up millions of innocent people.That was an example. You are taking that out of context.I was saying that the argument for possession of firearms as protection from government oppression has been obsolete for probably over 100 years so though an admirable concept in theory it's irrelevant today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yes because Nazi Germany occurred 100 years ago. Regardless how powerful the opposition every little bit helps. If my government imprisons people unfairly and starts picking people off the street you bet your ass I want anything to give me a little sense of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Well I certainly hope nobody else like this asshole attains a gun illegally and decides to mow people down in the streets of London because that would sure be one hell of a mess. Unarmed police officers, no civilians with concealed carriers licenses... Some people are fucking crazy, no law can change that, and anyone can get a weapon weather they're illegal or not. Personally I feel much safer knowing that good honest people with no intent to harm anybody are trusted to be responsible gun owners, so when these unfortunate instances arise they can be dealt with with the smallest number of casualties possible.Yeah, there's always the chance of that happening anywhere though Brevik held all his weapons legally unless I'm mistaken? Anyway I'm just saying that it's not as simple as "gun laws don't work" cos in some places they do. We had 40 times fewer gun related murders than you guys last year and at least a part of that was due to the differences in our laws and relative indifference to the concept of gun ownership. Yes because Nazi Germany occurred 100 years ago. Was that Nazi Germany Colorado or am I missing something? Maybe North Dakota? I know there's a few Krauts kicking about up there. Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Linguini Occurrence Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Absolutely fascinating story unfolding around the shooter's apartment, and not just because of the balloons full of gunpowder and chemicals and pieces of metal to be used as shrapnel.He set up a techno song to play very loudly beginning exactly at midnight, with the song looping constantly.As expected, one of the people living below him came to his door and knocked on it to complain about the noise.She realized there weren't any voices coming from the apartment, the music wasn't because people were partying.She put her hand on the doorknob and turned it, confirming the door was not locked.Her instinct told her not to open the door even a crack, instead she left and called the cops.Thank God for her instinct, as the door was hooked up to a trip wire that would have blown the entire building and everything/everyone in it sky high.How the fuck can someone get any closer to meeting their maker than that?It's going to be one hell of a documentary that comes out about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Well I certainly hope nobody else like this asshole attains a gun illegally and decides to mow people down in the streets of London because that would sure be one hell of a mess. Unarmed police officers, no civilians with concealed carriers licenses... Some people are fucking crazy, no law can change that, and anyone can get a weapon weather they're illegal or not. Personally I feel much safer knowing that good honest people with no intent to harm anybody are trusted to be responsible gun owners, so when these unfortunate instances arise they can be dealt with with the smallest number of casualties possible.Yeah, there's always the chance of that happening anywhere though Brevik held all his weapons legally unless I'm mistaken? Anyway I'm just saying that it's not as simple as "gun laws don't work" cos in some places they do. We had 40 times fewer gun related murders than you guys last year and at least a part of that was due to the differences in our laws and relative indifference to the concept of gun ownership. I don't think the statistics are relevant or at least comparable unless on one side the number is 0, fact is there are still gun related murders in the UK. In the US, we have a lot more people, a lot more poverty, and a lot more crime. Edited July 21, 2012 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projected Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 This really does unfold to be something straight out of a Batman plot.Jesus fuck.It's quite thrilling, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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