ceres Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Axl did not have huge hand in writing the music/lyrics of Appetite thru UYI. I mean - look at the quality and intensity of the music and lyrics from those albums. Chinese had none of that musical or lyrical intensity and creativity. (Sure, Axl has legal credit, but without West or Stradlin, he can't compose for shit. Those guys were Axl's Bernie Taupin.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You have a valid point but didn't you read his latest interview? He said that Slash, Duff and Stephanie bullied him so little cry baby Axl couldn't write for years! "They said I was an idiot , so I lost my songwriting skills!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceres Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Axl is the voice. An amazing voice that delivers like none that I've ever heard. But he's not the composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowmass Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You have a valid point but didn't you read his latest interview? He said that Slash, Duff and Stephanie bullied him so little cry baby Axl couldn't write for years! "They said I was an idiot , so I lost my songwriting skills!". What a fucking baby. Beta & gang must laugh themselves to sleep each night. Can you hear them "what an idiot....he'll do anything we say". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't think he ever claimed to have a "huge hand" in writing old music that wasn't based around piano (Estranged, NR) and it's well known that he wrote a handful of songs but most were a combination of him, duff and izzy (and west).Also, I think Chinese has some great lyrics - Catcher, Prostitute, Better and Sorry are all great, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't like to hear "you're shit" repeatedly from my best friends and my wife either.Well, you guys probably have a reason to know better what is dealing with feelings you certainly never felt.I personally love the lyrics on Chinese Democracy, they are meaningful. Losing a son, losing the love of his life, losing his friends...Well, better make songs about a place where the grass is green and the girls are pretty and lyrics just as pathetic as how a girl reminds you of your childhood and takes you to a special place. Yey! Life is so bright! Edited February 1, 2013 by ManetsBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The lyrics seem very similar. Street of Dreams has the same flow as AFD lyrics. TWAT is similar to Paradise City lyrically.I think CD is a less guitar oriented album, by design. That doesnt mean the songs are any less...GNR. If anything CD proved Axl is the key to GNR, the dynamics the lyrics, the epicness. Without Axl's aesthetic the guys would strip it down and play it fast and loose.I agree that sonically CD isn't full on guitars, it's more percussive, beats n solos with classic vocals, but there's less of a natural pocket for Axl's voice to sit in as with classic GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr420 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 CD is awesome. It has just as much intensity as the old stuff. Its not 1988 and Axl's not in his 20's. CD compared to GnR's old stuff does a lot better than Aerosmith compared to their old stuff or Motley Crue or any other band you can name. IMO CD is one of the most intense albums of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I agree, Wasted. There's a clear evolution on the 3 GNR albums. From Appetite to Illusions and from Illusions to Democracy. On very aspects...I think on the musical aspect, it just got better and better.And I agree with you tr420. Some people expect Axl to release another Appetite For Destruction, they just seem to forgot that he's not 20 anymore, and have been to some deep shit since then. I'm so glad GNR didn't become the KISSish thing Slash wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think they found a way for it to be GNR in the 21st century. It's a little harder edged and a bit darker but still has many of the core elements of GNR music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristmasFnatic Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 To be fair, a lot of musicians tend to lose that writing edge as time goes by. Steven Tyler, Jon Bon Jovi, their lyrics back then were good, these days so so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Izzy wrote a lot of the best lyrics in the old days, him and Axl together was something else, but Axl really poured his heart out and wrote some far more powerful stuff imo. My favorite Axl lyrics are from Coma, One In A Million, Locomotive, Bad Apples, Don't Damn Me, Dead Horse, Breakdown, and November Rain off the top of my head. I agree Chinese Democracy doesn't have anything nearly as powerful as those songs, a lot of CD sounds more forced than inspired imo, but it's not to say that Axl isn't or wasn't a great lyricist. Edited February 1, 2013 by sweetness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Axl would be the first to say that he wishes he had a collaborator like Bernie Taupin. Bernie probably would write a song with GNR, but I don't know if Axl would actually come out and ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have a problem with the CD lyrics, it's same kind of thing. I don't think SOD, TWAT, Catcher, TIL, Sorry, IRS, Madagascar would really sound out of place on UYI. Chi Dem, Shackler's, Better, Scraped, Riad, Prostitute aren't that far off, call it an evolution.If Mike Clink produced CD some people would be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Axl did not have huge hand in writing the music/lyrics of Appetite thru UYI. I mean - look at the quality and intensity of the music and lyrics from those albums. Chinese had none of that musical or lyrical intensity and creativity. (Sure, Axl has legal credit, but without West or Stradlin, he can't compose for shit. Those guys were Axl's Bernie Taupin.)Does downplaying Axl`s importance and contributions to the band make you a real Guns N`Roses fan ? no Axl no Guns N`Roses deal with it how did things work out with that bloke called Scott Weiland ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have a problem with the CD lyrics, it's same kind of thing. I don't think SOD, TWAT, Catcher, TIL, Sorry, IRS, Madagascar would really sound out of place on UYI. Chi Dem, Shackler's, Better, Scraped, Riad, Prostitute aren't that far off, call it an evolution.If Mike Clink produced CD some people would be happier.The problem is that not that many producers would be happy to linger over an album for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There's a clear evolution on the 3 GNR albums. From Appetite to Illusions and from Illusions to Democracy. On very aspects...I think on the musical aspect, it just got better and better.And I agree with you tr420. Some people expect Axl to release another Appetite For Destruction, they just seem to forgot that he's not 20 anymore, and have been to some deep shit since then. I'm so glad GNR didn't become the KISSish thing Slash wanted to.This is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There's a clear evolution on the 3 GNR albums. From Appetite to Illusions and from Illusions to Democracy. On very aspects...I think on the musical aspect, it just got better and better.And I agree with you tr420. Some people expect Axl to release another Appetite For Destruction, they just seem to forgot that he's not 20 anymore, and have been to some deep shit since then. I'm so glad GNR didn't become the KISSish thing Slash wanted to.This is hilarious.Slash doesn't like Kiss. And anyone who is satisfied with what that band has become is probably mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't have a problem with the CD lyrics, it's same kind of thing. I don't think SOD, TWAT, Catcher, TIL, Sorry, IRS, Madagascar would really sound out of place on UYI. Chi Dem, Shackler's, Better, Scraped, Riad, Prostitute aren't that far off, call it an evolution.If Mike Clink produced CD some people would be happier.The problem is that not that many producers would be happy to linger over an album for a decade.Inherent within Clink doing it would be that would pretty quick. I think the record was done in two years. But redone with RTB. Then funding was pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEXzilla Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Thats like saying Slash had nothing to do with the writing of the music since he has yet to write anything near as good his GnR days. Edited February 1, 2013 by MEXzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomotive98 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Axl did not have huge hand in writing the music/lyrics of Appetite thru UYI. I mean - look at the quality and intensity of the music and lyrics from those albums. Chinese had none of that musical or lyrical intensity and creativity. (Sure, Axl has legal credit, but without West or Stradlin, he can't compose for shit. Those guys were Axl's Bernie Taupin.)Does downplaying Axl`s importance and contributions to the band make you a real Guns N`Roses fan ? no Axl no Guns N`Roses deal with it how did things work out with that bloke called Scott Weiland ?So how does downplaying Guns N Roses contributions to Guns N Roses albums make you a real Guns N Roses fan? Problem? Deal with it...etc etc...'Axl wrote em all!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 IMO CD is one of the most intense albums of all time.Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 IMO CD is one of the most intense albums of all time.Indeed.lolcano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think his lyrics writing on Chinese Democracy is solid overall, with maybe the exception of This I Love. I just cannot get into that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You could say the exact same thing about Izzy and Duff's solo material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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