GUNS N' ROSES: Attendance Figures For 'No Trickery! An Evening Of Destruction' Residency Revealed

[droezle]

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GUNS N' ROSES: Attendance Figures For 'No Trickery! An Evening Of Destruction' Residency Revealed

The following are the attendance/gross figures for GUNS N' ROSES' just-concluded second Las Vegas residency, "No Trickery! An Evening Of Destruction", at The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, as reported by Billboard's Boxscore:

Artist: GUNS N' ROSES
Venue: The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel
Dates: June 4, 6-7
Gross sales: $853,785
Attendance/capacity: 9,221 / 10,130
Number of shows/sellouts: 3 / 2
Ticket prices: $195, $129.50, $85, $69.50

Artist: GUNS N' ROSES
Venue: The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel
Dates: May 28, 30-31
Gross sales: $739,534
Attendance/capacity: 8,021 / 9,449
Number of shows/sellouts: 3 / 0
Ticket prices: $195, $129.50, $85, $69.50

Hotel executive Don Marrandino, who may return to Las Vegas as the possible future head honcho at the Hard Rock Hotel, told Robin Leach of the Las Vegas Sun: "They [GUNS N' ROSES] are definitely thinking of returning for another mini-run at the Hard Rock. We've already had conversations about converting one of the restaurant venues into a GUNS N' ROSES hangout with its own barbecue and hamburger lineup."

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[RandallFlagg]

Hotel executive Don Marrandino, who may return to Las Vegas as the possible future head honcho at the Hard Rock Hotel, told Robin Leach of the Las Vegas Sun: "They [GUNS N' ROSES] are definitely thinking of returning for another mini-run at the Hard Rock. We've already had conversations about converting one of the restaurant venues into a GUNS N' ROSES hangout with its own barbecue and hamburger lineup."

Guaranteed to sell in a place as bustling as Vegas with the band name and lead singer and 75% classics playing, so successful but was never gonna fail. It's whether Axl converted many to CD songs or the current members that matters since profit was expected.

[maynard]

So their profit is...?

[RandallFlagg]

WAN MEELEEON DAHLARZ

[Apollo]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

[maynard]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

Agreed Grogs, but I guess in the US, it's the best they can do...

[Coma16]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

Do you realize how much other stuff there is to do in Vegas?

[Subtle Signs]

I wonder how many of those tickets were comps? Not that it matters, I guess since Gn'R are still getting paid.I'd imagine their overhead is lower since the shows were not traveling and I bet the crew/band got complimentary rooms or a great discount on them. Counting merch when all is said and done I don't see why Axl himself couldn't have cleared a half million for the gigs.

[Silent Jay]

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/207812-guns-n-roses-billboard-boxscore-vegas-2014-official-concert-attendance/#entry3790015

[hellobeatle]

I imagine a GNR themed restaurant would be largely comprised of the 1987-1994 images, recordings, etc., so my understanding is Slash and Duff would have to sign off. Not saying they wouldn't work together after the legal/financial items are organized, but probably more easier said than done. Unless of course it's solely based around one album and a bunch of red stars everywhere - which doesn't seem to maximize investors profits.

I am also curious as to the number of comped tickets. The hotels are always giving tickets away. I'm not even a big gambler by a long shot and they comped me Beatles' Love show and Andrew Dice Clay in the past. As well as some other well-known LV show at Balley's but I forget the name.

[Apollo]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

Do you realize how much other stuff there is to do in Vegas?

Of course.

Hence the reason they have 100,000 new visitors EVERY day. In a city that has 550,000 people that live there.

So you think a band of GnR's status that selling 3000 tickets in Vegas is a great accomplishment? Go look at that billboard boxscore thing at all the acts in Vegas. There are bands/artists I've never even heard of that are selling 3000 tickets a night to their shows.

GnR is doing just as well as other 80s/90s popular bands - Motley, Def Leppard, Shania Twain, etc. To me, that isn't something to brag or write home about. It's cool they still have an audience, but they couldn't even sell out the shows which is the surprising thing to me.

[zepsun]

I wonder how many of those tickets were comps? Not that it matters, I guess since Gn'R are still getting paid.I'd imagine their overhead is lower since the shows were not traveling and I bet the crew/band got complimentary rooms or a great discount on them. Counting merch when all is said and done I don't see why Axl himself couldn't have cleared a half million for the gigs.

I was thinking the same thing. Whenever I've gone to Casino shows, I always see front row people leaving before the show is even over, to go back to playing slots.

[batman007]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

I beg the differ. If a band like Poison or Quiet Riot had a residency, they would not come close to these numbers. I know that Vegas has tons of visitors, nobody forces them to go the shows. The comparison of 3,000 in a city of 200,000 had no significant accuracy. I have seen many artists who perform at the joint to a half empty house. Where are the 40 million that go to Vegas? Guns had a good run because there is a demand for them.

[Apollo]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

I beg the differ. If a band like Poison or Quiet Riot had a residency, they would not come close to these numbers. I know that Vegas has tons of visitors, nobody forces them to go the shows. The comparison of 3,000 in a city of 200,000 had no significant accuracy. I have seen many artists who perform at the joint to a half empty house. Where are the 40 million that go to Vegas? Guns had a good run because there is a demand for them.

LOL.

It doesn't have "significant accuracy"........There are 550,000 people in Vegas and they get 100,000 new visitors a day. So for each show, there was an pool of 650,000 people that got to decide if they attended the show or not. Not including people who live in towns around the area. People aren't likely to go to more than a couple shows, so that's why I said 200,000 instead of 650,000.

Do you think GnR would have did 3,000 people a night in any other city that has the population size of Vegas, but without the 40 million tourists a year? If GnR played 10 shows in a month in Toledo Ohio do you think they'd sell 3,000 tickets for each show?

Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Shania Twain all did similar numbers in Vegas. So - according to YOUR statement - there is as much "demand" for Def Leppard as there is for Guns n Roses.

I'm as big of a fan of Axl as anybody on this forum. My favorite singer of all time. But I find it weird how people try and sugarcoat everything he does. GnR isn't that big of a draw anymore in the US, those are just the facts.

[batman007]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

I beg the differ. If a band like Poison or Quiet Riot had a residency, they would not come close to these numbers. I know that Vegas has tons of visitors, nobody forces them to go the shows. The comparison of 3,000 in a city of 200,000 had no significant accuracy. I have seen many artists who perform at the joint to a half empty house. Where are the 40 million that go to Vegas? Guns had a good run because there is a demand for them.

LOL.

It doesn't have "significant accuracy"........There are 550,000 people in Vegas and they get 100,000 new visitors a day. So for each show, there was an pool of 650,000 people that got to decide if they attended the show or not. Not including people who live in towns around the area. People aren't likely to go to more than a couple shows, so that's why I said 200,000 instead of 650,000.

Do you think GnR would have did 3,000 people a night in any other city that has the population size of Vegas, but without the 40 million tourists a year? If GnR played 10 shows in a month in Toledo Ohio do you think they'd sell 3,000 tickets for each show?

Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Shania Twain all did similar numbers in Vegas. So - according to YOUR statement - there is as much "demand" for Def Leppard as there is for Guns n Roses.

I'm as big of a fan of Axl as anybody on this forum. My favorite singer of all time. But I find it weird how people try and sugarcoat everything he does. GnR isn't that big of a draw anymore in the US, those are just the facts.

Facts, not so much. You get wrapped around the fact that you think your statements are always true. I have a Co worker like you, never admit that you are wrong. Why did you go around the fact what I said about Poison , and other artists that cannot come close to fill up the joint? You write your numbers, where are they? I never sugar coat anything. I know Guns is not a bigger draw than what they used to be. But, I know they are not dead. And it's "weird" that some people hate the FACT that this residency was a success.

[D-GenerationX]

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

[SoulMonster]

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

It's certainly not my barometer since GN'R sells way more tickets than these bands. It's just something Groghan said.

[Apollo]

Again - good for GnR!!!!!!!

But.........Vegas gets 100,000 visitors a day. Almost 40 million people go to Vegas every year. So selling 3000 tickets a night in Vegas is like selling 3000 tickets in a city that has 200,000 people. Not that hard to do.

I beg the differ. If a band like Poison or Quiet Riot had a residency, they would not come close to these numbers. I know that Vegas has tons of visitors, nobody forces them to go the shows. The comparison of 3,000 in a city of 200,000 had no significant accuracy. I have seen many artists who perform at the joint to a half empty house. Where are the 40 million that go to Vegas? Guns had a good run because there is a demand for them.

LOL.

It doesn't have "significant accuracy"........There are 550,000 people in Vegas and they get 100,000 new visitors a day. So for each show, there was an pool of 650,000 people that got to decide if they attended the show or not. Not including people who live in towns around the area. People aren't likely to go to more than a couple shows, so that's why I said 200,000 instead of 650,000.

Do you think GnR would have did 3,000 people a night in any other city that has the population size of Vegas, but without the 40 million tourists a year? If GnR played 10 shows in a month in Toledo Ohio do you think they'd sell 3,000 tickets for each show?

Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Shania Twain all did similar numbers in Vegas. So - according to YOUR statement - there is as much "demand" for Def Leppard as there is for Guns n Roses.

I'm as big of a fan of Axl as anybody on this forum. My favorite singer of all time. But I find it weird how people try and sugarcoat everything he does. GnR isn't that big of a draw anymore in the US, those are just the facts.

Facts, not so much. You get wrapped around the fact that you think your statements are always true. I have a Co worker like you, never admit that you are wrong. Why did you go around the fact what I said about Poison , and other artists that cannot come close to fill up the joint? You write your numbers, where are they? I never sugar coat anything. I know Guns is not a bigger draw than what they used to be. But, I know they are not dead. And it's "weird" that some people hate the FACT that this residency was a success.

Ooooh, here comes the personal attacks now. You probably wouldn't have to do that if your "facts" stood up for themselves. First off - when you state something, don't YOU think that you are correct? Or do you purposely say things that YOU think are false? Think about that. Second - I'm wrong all the time. I have ZERO problems admitting if I'm wrong about something. In fact, I enjoy it when somebody can show me that I'm wrong about something. It's a beautiful thing. It means that I just learned something. Losing an argument is just as good as winning one - because it means you just become better informed about the situation. And that's a win in the long run. The thing is that you didn't say anything that would show me I was wrong about anything.

What did I say that wasn't a fact? Were my numbers wrong? Vegas doesn't get 40 million visitors a year? Def Leppard, Motley and Shania didn't have similar success in Vegas?

LOL. You say my facts are not "facts"........but I'm using ACTUAL BANDS that played residencies. You are just making names up and guessing. I'll stick to what actually happened, you can stick to your made-up situations. Maybe you don't know the difference between facts and opinions?

Please quote me one place where I said they were dead. (See, this is another thing you are making up, not a fact).

So your big leg to stand on is that you don't think Quiet Riot could sell 3,000 tickets to the Joint? QR whose popular lead singer passed away and I think Jizzy Pearl is singing for them now? (I could be wrong about that).

Sure - I'll go along with that. In your hypothetical situation, I would agree that QR could not sell 3000 tickets a show to a residency.

Poison? They would do a bit better than QR. I bet they might be able to do 2,000 a night with a residency. They still tour a lot and have a pretty good following. Brett Michaels is still pretty popular.

I can't predict the future, but I'll play along with your game. I'd say the Dubrow-less Quiet Riot would sell 500 tickets a show and Poison would do 1,500-to-2,000. BUT I'M JUST GUESSING. Those two bands haven't done a residency, so who really knows what they would do.

Taking your "factual" situation even further. I think that GnR would do better than Warrant, Great White, White Lion and Winger as well in a Vegas residency situation. I think Axl's numbers would dominate a residency by Trixter, Nelson and Faster Pussycat.

But I suppose I differ from you in the fact that I don't compare Guns n Roses to QR/Poison. I give Axl more props than you apparently do. I put them in the Metallica, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi ball park. I'm pretty confident that those bands would sell out the Joint every show if they did a residency.

I put GnR along side Metallica.........you put them along side Poison. Enough said.

I know that Linkin Park and Queens of the Stone Age all did 3-to-4,000 tickets at The Joint, but those were for one-offs. I see that Cher just did like 13,000 for one show in Vegas.

So GnR didn't sell out each show on the residency. What number would YOU yourself use as the cut-off to what made the residency a success or not? 2,500........2250............2105..........etc. What would you put that number at?

Who are the people that "hate" the numbers from this residency.

Finally, I don't judge the success/failure rate of a show by the number of people who attended the show. The second to the last show was a huge success in my mind, and would have been even if there were only 1,500 people in attendance. The band busted out a couple of songs they hadn't played in a while, hit the CD catalog pretty hard, and Axl sounded amazing for most of the night. The size of the crowd was irrelevant to me. That show was a huge success in my book. (But that's just my opinion. Everybody is free to have their own opinion - don't you agree?).

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

It's certainly not my barometer since GN'R sells way more tickets than these bands. It's just something Groghan said.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it certainly is not something I said.

Batman brought up those two bands.

I don't put QR and Poison on the same level as GnR. Never did, never have.

I know you've got a thing against me, but please don't start attributing comments from other people to me. Thanks.

[SoulMonster]

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

It's certainly not my barometer since GN'R sells way more tickets than these bands. It's just something Groghan said.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it certainly is not something I said.

Batman brought up those two bands.

I don't put QR and Poison on the same level as GnR. Never did, never have.

I know you've got a thing against me, but please don't start attributing comments from other people to me. Thanks.

My apologies, I wasn't paying attention.

But I suppose I differ from you in the fact that I don't compare Guns n Roses to QR/Poison. I give Axl more props than you apparently do. I put them in the Metallica, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi ball park. I'm pretty confident that those bands would sell out the Joint every show if they did a residency.

But it is fair to compare a band like GN'R -- who has been practically dead since their heydays -- with these bands who, for the most part, have been very active with numerous releases since 2000? You reap what you sow.

[Apollo]

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

It's certainly not my barometer since GN'R sells way more tickets than these bands. It's just something Groghan said.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it certainly is not something I said.

Batman brought up those two bands.

I don't put QR and Poison on the same level as GnR. Never did, never have.

I know you've got a thing against me, but please don't start attributing comments from other people to me. Thanks.

My apologies, I wasn't paying attention.

Accepted.

I find it a bit insulting to all GnR fans that somebody would put them on the same level as modern day Quiet Riot or Poison.

One great album and some effort from Axl (a tour full of shows like the last two in Vegas, and some in depth interviews) and I think GnR would be as big as any rock band in the world again. Same can't be said about Jizzy Pearl and Brett Michaels. The talent level isn't even in the same universe.

******

So where would you put GnR?

Edited June 24, 2014 by Groghan

[batman007]

We are comparing them to Poison now? Quiet Riot? In 2014?

This is our new barometer??

It's certainly not my barometer since GN'R sells way more tickets than these bands. It's just something Groghan said.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it certainly is not something I said.

Batman brought up those two bands.

I don't put QR and Poison on the same level as GnR. Never did, never have.

I know you've got a thing against me, but please don't start attributing comments from other people to me. Thanks.

My apologies, I wasn't paying attention.

Accepted.

I find it a bit insulting to all GnR fans that somebody would put them on the same level as modern day Quiet Riot or Poison.

One great album and some effort from Axl (a tour full of shows like the last two in Vegas, and some in depth interviews) and I think GnR would be as big as any rock band in the world again. Same can't be said about Jizzy Pearl and Brett Michaels. The talent level isn't even in the same universe.

I am not comparing Guns to other bands for fun. I am simply pointing out that my guess that they couldn't match Guns numbers. You were implying that the numbers of the success was a big deal, due to Vegas is a tourist town. I was implying that doesn't fully matter. I just think it's silly that we are having this debate. I only put my two cents in because this thread is about the success of the residency. And I saw posts of , it's was a success because of only this and that. It was a success, and I am glad I was part of it. Personal attacks? Just because I state my opinions of what I usually read on what you post. Is not a personal attack. I just think you think you are always right. Hey, I think I am usually right with certain things.

[SoulMonster]

So where would you put GnR?

Somewhere in between bands like Poison and bands like Metallica, I guess . Such comparisons are not really something I find interesting or useful, this is not a competition.

[Broskirose]

Not bad. Not amazing either.

[IncitingChaos]

Great numbers. Enough with all these ridiculous numbers about the number of visitors daily and how many of em

Knew a GNR concert was happening and how it somehow makes the numbers less impressive.

It's great that the shows did well. There should never be an excuse as to why something worked. If it failed then I'd expect excuses to fly in, but it was a success by any bands standards. Great marketing and great performances. The band did good, do we really have to argue the fact that GNR did something good?

Oh well carry on. I just feel a success is a success. Even if a majority of a teams wins came at home. Good for guns.

[Nosaj Thing]

Well, I think those are great numbers for Axl's band. We need the numbers for the other 6 dates, though.