bran Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 hamas rejects cease fire extension, fires 3 more rockets into israel, i guess this is the jews fault somehow too.http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/israel-gaza-palestinian-cease-fire/13202349/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 hamas rejects cease fire extension, fires 3 more rockets into israel, i guess this is the jews fault somehow too.http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/israel-gaza-palestinian-cease-fire/13202349/"When will the killing end?!""We'd like to stop the killing.""FUCK YOU!!! (fires rockets)"Yea, goddamned Israelis. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 hamas rejects cease fire extension, fires 3 more rockets into israel, i guess this is the jews fault somehow too.http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/israel-gaza-palestinian-cease-fire/13202349/hamas rejects cease fire extension, fires 3 more rockets into israel, i guess this is the jews fault somehow too.http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/israel-gaza-palestinian-cease-fire/13202349/"When will the killing end?!""We'd like to stop the killing.""FUCK YOU!!! (fires rockets)"Yea, goddamned Israelis.But.....but.....but......Hamas are only firing little rockets.....it's not fair since Israel has bigger rockets.....There have been supposedly intelligent members here using this logic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Obviously not caring about killing civilians did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It wasn't a rock. They have fired thousands of missiles/rockets. Thus, your reasoning/example is utterly flawed. We're talking nations, not personal fights....only involving one person. Sovereign nations have every right to defend themselves.. Likewise, I can't begin to phantom your logic. Makes me wonder if there is some underlying antisemitism there.Because had Hamas fired missiles at Scotland,(and had been doing it regularly since the early 2000's) I'm certain you wouldn't mind Scotland defending itself. Right?And btw, if that idiot throwing the rock knows I can kick his ass...and everyone he knows' ass, then yes, he should have known better before throwing the rock. I learned that lesson when I was 5 years old.Look at the respective death tolls... A rock, if aimed correctly could definitely kill you. It might be a bit of an exaggerated example, but I don't think it's an order of magnitude removed from the differences in military capacity between Hamas and the IDF. I'm not even defending Hamas, shooting rockets at Israel is fucking stupid and not going to solve anything, but I think Israel's response is reckless, disproportionate, inhumane, merciless and utterly deplorable in the same way I believe their treatment of the civilians of Gaza and the West Bank is deplorable.I don't know where you got "anti-Semitism" from in any of my posting history, I have no criticisms to level at Judaism or Jewish people, that doesn't mean I have to agree with the decisions of the Israeli government... It just seems like a bit of a bizarre ad-hominem, especially since there are plenty of Jews calling for an end to the Israeli assault on Gaza and a chance for the people there to get a bit of social justice, and I admire and respect them hugely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It wasn't a rock. They have fired thousands of missiles/rockets. Thus, your reasoning/example is utterly flawed. We're talking nations, not personal fights....only involving one person. Sovereign nations have every right to defend themselves.. Likewise, I can't begin to phantom your logic. Makes me wonder if there is some underlying antisemitism there.Because had Hamas fired missiles at Scotland,(and had been doing it regularly since the early 2000's) I'm certain you wouldn't mind Scotland defending itself. Right?And btw, if that idiot throwing the rock knows I can kick his ass...and everyone he knows' ass, then yes, he should have known better before throwing the rock. I learned that lesson when I was 5 years old.Look at the respective death tolls... A rock, if aimed correctly could definitely kill you. It might be a bit of an exaggerated example, but I don't think it's an order of magnitude removed from the differences in military capacity between Hamas and the IDF. I'm not even defending Hamas, shooting rockets at Israel is fucking stupid and not going to solve anything, but I think Israel's response is reckless, disproportionate, inhumane, merciless and utterly deplorable in the same way I believe their treatment of the civilians of Gaza and the West Bank is deplorable.I don't know where you got "anti-Semitism" from in any of my posting history, I have no criticisms to level at Judaism or Jewish people, that doesn't mean I have to agree with the decisions of the Israeli government... It just seems like a bit of a bizarre ad-hominem, especially since there are plenty of Jews calling for an end to the Israeli assault on Gaza and a chance for the people there to get a bit of social justice, and I admire and respect them hugely.Fair enough...thanks for clarifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobodys_Fault Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
***Flawless Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Israel just bombed Gaza's only power plant and biggest hospital, I don't know how anyone can deny this is genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 In today's paper: a picture of a nine year old girl in tears, kissing her dead four year old brother goodbye. No one can justify that in my eyes. That's just a crime, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Israel just bombed Gaza's only power plant and biggest hospital, I don't know how anyone can deny this is genocide.If true, black and white war crimes, but that only matters when you're on the wrong side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB. Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible.This is pretty spot on. More so about Hamas but still along the right lines. Edited July 29, 2014 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible./threadA Conservative Israeli party combined with a bunch of terrorists like Hamas is simply a recipe for disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible./threadA Conservative Israeli party combined with a bunch of terrorists like Hamas is simply a recipe for disaster.It's beyond (obviously) easy to see by anyone without extreme bias, it's ridiculous. That's why some of the comments in this thread are perplexing...to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobodys_Fault Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible./threadA Conservative Israeli party combined with a bunch of terrorists like Hamas is simply a recipe for disaster.It's beyond (obviously) easy to see by anyone without extreme bias, it's ridiculous. That's why some of the comments in this thread are perplexing...to say the least.The most perplexing comment in this thread has been you accusing Grame of anti-semitism because you couldn't grasp the concept of analogy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The tendency toward assuming knowledge when one has little to none and then moving from there to moral and ethical judgment of others is probably my least favorite aspect of humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Another UN school bombed, another 19 victims, civilians who had sought refuge. According to Chris Gunness, UN-spokesman, Israel had been warned 17 times that refugees were in the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 We KNOW Isreal is bombing Gaza in an effort to stop largely ineffectual rockets from Hamas, and we KNOW that kids die as a result of this. I morally condemn Israel for this violent abuse of power that mostly hurt kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Another UN school bombed, another 19 victims, civilians who had sought refuge. According to Chris Gunness, UN-spokesman, Israel had been warned 17 times that refugees were in the school."Victims" meaning dead? Jesus.We KNOW Isreal is bombing Gaza in an effort to stop largely ineffectual rockets from Hamas, and we KNOW that kids die as a result of this. I morally condemn Israel for this violent abuse of power that mostly hurt kids.I'm OK with that for the most part, philosophical questions about "morality" aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Yes, 19 dead, more than 50 wounded. During this conflict: a total of 1262 dead and more than 7000 wounded. Two thirds are civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) As long as Hamas and the Likoed party are in control there will be no peace. Both don't even seem to want it.The ones suffering are the innocent Palestinian people and children losing everything, it's horrible./threadA Conservative Israeli party combined with a bunch of terrorists like Hamas is simply a recipe for disaster.It's beyond (obviously) easy to see by anyone without extreme bias, it's ridiculous. That's why some of the comments in this thread are perplexing...to say the least.The most perplexing comment in this thread has been you accusing Grame of anti-semitism because you couldn't grasp the concept of analogy.Never accused him of antisemitism. I asked if there could have been some underlying antisemitism there. He responded and clarified his comments/stance. That was the end of it. Edited July 31, 2014 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 We KNOW Isreal is bombing Gaza in an effort to stop largely ineffectual rockets from Hamas, and we KNOW that kids die as a result of this. I morally condemn Israel for this violent abuse of power that mostly hurt kids.I'm OK with that for the most part, philosophical questions about "morality" aside.Yes, let's discuss the meaning of "morality"! That is SO much fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The tendency toward assuming knowledge when one has little to none and then moving from there to moral and ethical judgment of others is probably my least favorite aspect of humanity.That's about 99% of this thread on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 The tendency toward assuming knowledge when one has little to none and then moving from there to moral and ethical judgment of others is probably my least favorite aspect of humanity.That's about 99% of this thread on both sides. Agreed. Although your percentage is probably a bit low. We KNOW Isreal is bombing Gaza in an effort to stop largely ineffectual rockets from Hamas, and we KNOW that kids die as a result of this. I morally condemn Israel for this violent abuse of power that mostly hurt kids.I'm OK with that for the most part, philosophical questions about "morality" aside.Yes, let's discuss the meaning of "morality"! That is SO much fun!Don't know that it's meant to be fun, but the philosopher who gained the largest popular following, Nietzsche, made a career out of it so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
***Flawless Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 We KNOW Isreal is bombing Gaza in an effort to stop largely ineffectual rockets from Hamas, and we KNOW that kids die as a result of this. I morally condemn Israel for this violent abuse of power that mostly hurt kids.Israel is bombing Gaza to eradicate the people and/or drive them away so they can take more land. Although they claim defence, I think anyone that isn't blinded KNOWS that this is their main objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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