The Sandman Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Snake-Pit can't explain Snake-Pit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Snake-Pit can't explain Snake-Pit.Wow, I genuinely almost posted that a couple of hours ago, but decided against it. I realized that if anyone asked me.... I couldn't explain Snake-Pit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I, and a few others, have single handedly carried Guns through the 90s into the latter part of the last decade. This is what I'm talking about! Now the real crazy is starting to flow. Tell me more! He's kind of right actually. Hey, thank youI get really upset with people on here speaking to me the way they do, which is why I overact sometimes. I don't think people realise how much time and effort I put into this band years ago.With all due respect Mysteron, the members of staff here would quite rightfully feel the same way about the way you speak to them and the people who donate money to support the board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I, and a few others, have single handedly carried Guns through the 90s into the latter part of the last decade. This is what I'm talking about! Now the real crazy is starting to flow. Tell me more! He's kind of right actually. Hey, thank youI get really upset with people on here speaking to me the way they do, which is why I overact sometimes. I don't think people realise how much time and effort I put into this band years ago.With all due respect Mysteron, the members of staff here would quite rightfully feel the same way about the way you speak to them and the people who donate money to support the board. Excuse me mate, you're not staff any more: you can't answer his posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Everyone's missing the point. It's not about being "forced" to donate in order to post. It's about the fact that this forum is running entirely on donations and pennies of ad revenue, and at some point the well is going to run dry, unless another anonymous donor miracle happens. I think, as unappealing as it might be, a free backup plan should be under consideration, as I don't see this setup being sustainable in the long term. Edited September 30, 2014 by bacardimayne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK SUBS Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Great post.We need a plan B agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broskirose Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) As the OP of a topic do you hold the right to request that your topic is locked? Edited September 30, 2014 by Broskirose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK SUBS Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Depends, PM a mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Great post.We need a plan B agreed.What's a realistic contingency for a forum of this size though? Downscaling massively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK SUBS Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 I honestly don't know -- Donations will dry up, mygnr store will raise a few $$$ but realistically I need to give serious consideration to moving sever company. Bear in mind if I moved to proboards or similar and had google adsense ID ACTUALLY BE MAKING MONEY EACH MONTH! and after saving this forum and pumping money into it, I'd like to meet anyone who would honestly begrudge me that.Ideally -- I need someone onside who can come up with - and drive - advertising income/other resources. It's not my skill set, nor if they're honest if is particularly ER's and Forsaken's. Don't get me wrong they're super supportive but we need someone who has IT experience to really drive this. The door is open any any/all serious offers at this stage.Chris had that background and we're missing his input no doubt, he's chipping in but it's not his bag anymore -- I'm super busy IRL as are the other guys. We're fighting to keep this going and I'm giving serious thought about a contingency (or specifically, a number of, going forward). Closing mygnrforum isn't one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Great post.We need a plan B agreed.mygnrforum.proboards.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarBradley Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Invision has a fairly decent free option. It's better than ProBoards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Invision has a fairly decent free option. It's better than ProBoards.Thing is, it all depends on the load. The size of the database, the complexity of the database transactions the frontend fires off, the amount of data they're supposed to search through and and the number of requests it get's both simultaneously and over certain periods of time. I have no idea what those numbers for mygnr look like, nor do I know what the free option can handle. But that's the math you need to do. And the thing is, mostly that's done based on very high loads, maximums you want to be able to handle. If you don't, the forum might crash during extreme loads (i.e. when new material leaks or is released (yeah right) or when they kick Ashba out of the band #cantwait). There's no right or wrong. Financially it might be a very sound decision to downscale your server and accept the fact that it might crash that once in a blue moon when the planets align and there's actual exciting GnR news 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Invisionfree, for our size, would probably be about £3k a year. It's still not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post highvoltage Posted October 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2014 The solution seems simple enough - rent our own webserver, install IPB, migrate and away we go.You would be able to rent a server with plenty of resources to do the job for far, far less than what Subs pays. There are a couple of issues though:- I'm a Windows admin and not really a "web" one at that. IP Board doesn't play nicely with IIS - as a PHP based solution, it's far better off running on Linux. I wasn't up to the job.- Invision provide a lot of support with that $330 a month - you can get away with running the board without being super technical and it doesn't matter. Any time there's a problem, you raise a ticket and they deal with it. They also handle the backups, restore jobs, etc.... Eric strongly advised against moving away from this model and it's easy enough to see why- If the site migrated to a new host, it needs a decent admin (better than me!) that knows the core technologies well (especially PHP/SQL). I appealed publicly a few times and didn't get any responses.- This board has a lot of posts, the database is pretty huge - a migration would be a decent-sized undertaking, and there would be a lot of tweaking afterwards to get things running smoothly againContrary to someone's constant claims, the board runs the latest version of the IP Board software. They've just released version 4.0 for public testing and it looks freaking amazing... If there's one thing I'll regret, it's not being able to have implemented 4.0 before stepping down.PS - if GN'R ever reunited, this site would become a goldmine and you'd make the investment back tenfold Subs. Don't forget that! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Haters Gonna Hate Posted October 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2014 I did not understand one word in that post 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 - If the site migrated to a new host, it needs a decent admin (better than me!) that knows the core technologies well (especially PHP/SQL). I appealed publicly a few times and didn't get any responses.^^ This has been what I've been particularly worried about. Also like you said, the database migration would be huge and the process would be massive headache and grueling. The current model is expensive but it's pretty much straight forward. But with the services it provides, obviously the price is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 - If the site migrated to a new host, it needs a decent admin (better than me!) that knows the core technologies well (especially PHP/SQL). I appealed publicly a few times and didn't get any responses.^^ This has been what I've been particularly worried about. Also like you said, the database migration would be huge and the process would be massive headache and grueling. The current model is expensive but it's pretty much straight forward. But with the services it provides, obviously the price is there. Exactly.You're essentially paying the huge price for the support, and for Invision's server config (which is presumably extremely well-optimised). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You two are ruining the Ask Staff thread. Where's Damn Smooth? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFA Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You two are ruining the Ask Staff thread. Where's Damn Smooth?Who the hell is Damn Smooth? Is he another pretender to Damn_Smooth's throne? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You two are ruining the Ask Staff thread. Where's Damn Smooth?Just something I wanted to explain... since I remember as a mod thinking that Eric was lazy/stupid for not renting his own server and running the forum off it.I just didn't appreciate the complexity or risks involved until I was in his position myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You two are ruining the Ask Staff thread. Where's Damn Smooth?I'm here, being bored to shit by all this technical babble. Fucking admins and their first world problems. Somebody needs to learn the shit so I don't have to hear about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Whatever helps the forum, I'm all for it. Just don't ask me to try to understand it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haters Gonna Hate Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We should move to webs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If there's one thing I'll regret, it's not being able to have implemented 4.0 before stepping down.Step up, implement 4.0 and step down again. Nobody will notice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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