Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion Thread *NO Spoilers*

[-Jaro-]

On 04/08/2017 at 7:51 PM, AtariLegend said:

If you've read script/spoilers over the past year you already know.

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Aiden/Littlefinger earns his money by having a conversation with Bran where Bran says nothing, Littlefinger gives Bran the Valeyarian dagger that was supposed to kill him at the start of the story. Bran doesn't seem too fussed, says "chaos is a ladder". Littlefinger looks at Bran, Meera interrupts them and Littlefinger leaves the room. Bran says he knows Meera's leaving. She gets upset that he doesn't have more to say given Jojen/Hodor died for him.

Arya arrives at Winterfell and turns out she's the best sword fighter in the seven kingdoms now... She meets Sansa and they don't say really say much. Not a very emotional reunion. She meets Bran, Bran doesn't say much and gives her a dagger. Sansa tells Arya, Bran has visions now. Arya beats Brienne in a sparring session. 

Jon leads Missandei/Danny down to some caves to show them children of first men paintings/white walkers. Missandei disapears and Jon/Danny stare at each other in a not too subtle way. ...But she cock blocks him and asks him to bend the knee. 

Theon arrives back at Dragonstone, Jon meets him and tells him the only reason Jon doesn't kill him is what he did for Sansa. Not much else. I hope TV show viewers remember Jon/Theon grew up together.

Danny gets word about Casterly Rock being taken, then the rest of the news from Tyrion. Danny seems to realize that Tyrion is pretty bad at his job. Decides she's just going to take her Dragons and attack the red keep, asks Jon what he thinks. Jon says he thinks Dragons are meant for than just killing, Danny stares at Dragons.

Jamie/Bronn escort traveling caravans from Highgarden to King's Landing, however the gold in the caravans has magically already got to King's Landing. Ceseri tells Tycho that she's going to pay off the Lannister debts and bring in *The Golden Company* to fight for her.

Then Tyrion magically teleports to near the traveling Jamie/Bron to watch Danny show up with the Dragons and Dothraki and kill everyone in one of the best, but illogical battle sequences the show has ever done. Some how Bronn doesn't get killed. Dothraki tell Tyrion Lannisters aren't very good at fighting. Eventually Bronn makes it to the ballista Qyburn made, fires it at Drogon with Danny on top. It's not very effective, eventually Drogon burns it while Bronn runs for the dozen'th time in the episode. Danny for some weird reason gets off Drogon to pull the ballista arrow out of Drogons side, even though Drogon seems to be okay and they're in the middle of a battle. Jamies sees that Danny's not too bright and decides to try and kill her, Drogon turns towards Jamie, starts to breathe fire then Bronn knocks Jamie off his horse and they both fall into the river. The river is now apparently really deep and we fade to black pretending Jamie is going to drown.

 

Whoa... Great review - and sadly true one... Like script is made by kindergarden kids...

Show went down when they reached the end of written books... (Season 4 still god, the rest is just sad...)

[Deb Rose]

Arya is so fucking great.

Is Dragonstone big enough to fit all the Dothraki?

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How do they get the Dothraki to the mainland? Isn't her fleet all burned down and whatever is left of it back at Casterly Rock with the Unsullied? 

 

[-Jaro-]

1 hour ago, Deb Rose said:

Arya is so fucking great.

Is Dragonstone big enough to fit all the Dothraki?

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How do they get the Dothraki to the mainland? Isn't her fleet all burned down and whatever is left of it back at Casterly Rock with the Unsullied? 

 

answer on Q under spoiler:

 

[Georgy Zhukov]

8 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

One thing now that it's finally aired. The script apparently said that after Meera left Bran, that it was "out off the series".

Hope that's not true and it was of course a script from more than a year back. Would be a pretty disappointing end to her character arc, even though she was presented in a way on the show that casual viewers can't even remember her name.

I'd be pretty surprised if Howland Reed wasn't in the next season. He's the intersection point for a few plots in the book (that were cut from the show), but he can at least show up and mention that Jon isn't Ned's bastard? 

 

I just call her Anne Frank.

 

I bet Howland won't show up. Jon will get burned by dragons and they will realize he isn't burned so he must be a Targaryan. Something lame like that.

[bran]

This season feels so insanely rushed, feels like Boardwalk Empire all over again.

[Georgy Zhukov]

5 minutes ago, bran said:

This season feels so insanely rushed, feels like Boardwalk Empire all over again.

 

Except worse. HBO shows no mercy. 

[Dan H.]

15 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

 

Yeah, I particularly like the Hungarian Horntail

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Where does Dany keep all the Dothraki?

 

They hang out with Ghost in budget cut purgatory

[Dan H.]

2 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

 

I just call her Anne Frank.

 

I bet Howland won't show up. Jon will get burned by dragons and they will realize he isn't burned so he must be a Targaryan. Something lame like that.

Howland certainly won't show up. They're already fighting an uphill battle keeping casual viewers interested in the characters they already have. Adding another just for a few episodes and one piece of exposition doesn't seem plausible.

Side note: not ALL Targs are fire resistent right? Didn't Maegor or one of 'em set himself alight with wildfire in an attempt to become a dragon? Perhaps wildfire isn't quite the same as regular fire though, idk.

[Daedalus]

4 minutes ago, Dan H. said:

Side note: not ALL Targs are fire resistent right? Didn't Maegor or one of 'em set himself alight with wildfire in an attempt to become a dragon? Perhaps wildfire isn't quite the same as regular fire though, idk.

Haven't read the books yet but I think none of them is fireproof. Unless there is some (blood)magic involved.

[username]

I loved that episode, but MAN were there some big holes. Aside from Tyrion's acquisition of Star Trek technology, how weird is it that in all of documented history no-one had noticed a huge wall full of ancient markings and drawings of white walkers in an easily accessible cave under one of the most famous castles in the world? I mean, sure, Stannis hated Dragonstone. But surely someone must've stumbled upon them before. Jon just wandered right in. 

 

Also, I wonder if Khal Drogo ever went down on Dany. Dothraki don't seem like the pussy-eating types. If not, she probably had NO clue what Grey Worm and Missandei did without a cock involved.  

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[Georgy Zhukov]

46 minutes ago, Dan H. said:

Howland certainly won't show up. They're already fighting an uphill battle keeping casual viewers interested in the characters they already have. Adding another just for a few episodes and one piece of exposition doesn't seem plausible.

Side note: not ALL Targs are fire resistent right? Didn't Maegor or one of 'em set himself alight with wildfire in an attempt to become a dragon? Perhaps wildfire isn't quite the same as regular fire though, idk.

 

This is the show though. Viserys is a Targ and he burned. Maybe melted gold can kill a Targ?

11 minutes ago, username said:

I loved that episode, but MAN were there some big holes. Aside from Tyrion's acquisition of Star Trek technology, how weird is it that in all of documented history no-one had noticed a huge wall full of ancient markings and drawings of white walkers in an easily accessible cave under one of the most famous castles in the world? I mean, sure, Stannis hated Dragonstone. But surely someone must've stumbled upon them before. Jon just wandered right in. 

 

Also, I wonder if Khal Drogo ever went down on Dany. Dothraki don't seem like the pussy-eating types. If not, she probably had NO clue what Grey Worm and Missandei did without a cock involved.  

 

According to the book, Dany knew how to titty fuck. I am not joking. 

[Georgy Zhukov]

54 minutes ago, Dan H. said:

 

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They hang out with Ghost in budget cut purgatory

 

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Along with the Ironborn 

 

7 hours ago, Deb Rose said:

Arya is so fucking great.

Is Dragonstone big enough to fit all the Dothraki?

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How do they get the Dothraki to the mainland? Isn't her fleet all burned down and whatever is left of it back at Casterly Rock with the Unsullied? 

 

Not only it isn't big enough, but there isn't even vegetation to feed all those horses. Horses need a lot of upkeep. 

[Dan H.]

It would be easy to dismiss this stuff as nitpicking too, if it wasn't for the fact that the books and even parts of the show took this kind of stuff into account in earlier seasons.

I wish they would've just ran the damn thing for two more full 14 episode seasons. Why not milk it longer and give yourself more time to wrap up without rushing?

[Georgy Zhukov]

Just now, Dan H. said:

It would be easy to dismiss this stuff as nitpicking too, if it wasn't for the fact that the books and even parts of the show took this kind of stuff into account in earlier seasons.

I wish they would've just ran the damn thing for two more full 14 episode seasons. Why not milk it longer and give yourself more time to wrap up without rushing?

HBO's got other shit to do. Deadwood reunion and Confederate. 

[Dan H.]

12 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

HBO's got other shit to do. Deadwood reunion and Confederate. 

And other Ice and Fire shows too apparentally. Can't even get their first one off properly and they're already teeing up for the next one.

One of em better be Roberts Rebellion and the Greyjoy Uprising or I'll be sad.

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[AtariLegend]

One last thing, all though I could go on since I'm a fanatic;

I'm still confused as to why none of the Starks other Jon even seemed to care at all about Rickon.

Has Bran realized in that the TV show he basically sent his Brother to his death? Does he know Rickon is dead?

Sansa didn't even too worried about him last year and already gave up on him when she found out Ramsay had him. 

Repeat the above with Arya.

...Of course D/D did bring him back after a few seasons and manage to have not say a single word last year. Literally not a single word since season 3.

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[ChineseDemocracy2004]

8 hours ago, bran said:

This season feels so insanely rushed, feels like Boardwalk Empire all over again.

Man, I miss Boardwalk Empire.

Regarding Game of Thrones this was the best episode of the series so far. Poor Meera.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I don't get why Dany gets advised against burning the Red Keep. She won't be burning the city. Just the Red Keep. Kill Cersei and be done with it.

[username]

32 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Rickon is the Dizzy Reed of the Starks lol.

Not exactly I mean, say what you want about Dizzy, but he's always...ehrm...there.  

[Deb Rose]

18 hours ago, username said:

I loved that episode, but MAN were there some big holes. Aside from Tyrion's acquisition of Star Trek technology, how weird is it that in all of documented history no-one had noticed a huge wall full of ancient markings and drawings of white walkers in an easily accessible cave under one of the most famous castles in the world? I mean, sure, Stannis hated Dragonstone. But surely someone must've stumbled upon them before. Jon just wandered right in. 

 

Also, I wonder if Khal Drogo ever went down on Dany. Dothraki don't seem like the pussy-eating types. If not, she probably had NO clue what Grey Worm and Missandei did without a cock involved.  

 

If I remember correctly, in the books, one of Dany's servants/lady-in-waiting or whatever the fuck had actual sex with her. I don't remember if it was to teach her what to do with Drogo or if it was after his death, cause she was lonely and in need. So I guess she had a clue. 

[ChineseDemocracy2004]

24 minutes ago, Deb Rose said:

If I remember correctly, in the books, one of Dany's servants/lady-in-waiting or whatever the fuck had actual sex with her. I don't remember if it was to teach her what to do with Drogo or if it was after his death, cause she was lonely and in need. So I guess she had a clue. 

IIRC there was a character in series one who "helped" her understand certain things before she got with Drogo.

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[downzy]

19 hours ago, Dan H. said:

It would be easy to dismiss this stuff as nitpicking too, if it wasn't for the fact that the books and even parts of the show took this kind of stuff into account in earlier seasons.

I wish they would've just ran the damn thing for two more full 14 episode seasons. Why not milk it longer and give yourself more time to wrap up without rushing?

I would imagine that budget factored into shortened seasons 7 and 8.  Three of the four episodes so far in this season have included large battles and dragon scenes.  Most other seasons get one or two of these sequences.  Since the producers likely given the same amount of money for each season, they probably chose to go with fewer, but bigger, episodes to tell the story they want to tell. 

Not to be a contrarian here, but I've been loving the excelerated pace of this season. Too many times in previous seasons I've said they need to get on with moving the story forward.  I think people who have read the books or looking for reasons to criticize the show focus too much on some of the smaller issues and ignore the epic scenes and developments that make the show amazing and unique. The show isn't without fault, but it still accomplishes what few or no other shows have done before. 

For me, the fourth episode was one of the best of the series. The battle that involved Jamie, Tyrion, and Danny was majestic and surreal from both a technical and narrative standpoint. Having Tyrion there to witness the battle between his new queen and his brother, regardless of how he got there, did the job of representing the conflict I would assume most viewers felt watching two important and well followed characters go at each other.  

From a technical standpoint I was in awe of the look and feel of the battle. The lighting was stunning, looking like a painting from the renaissance period. I read that this episode broke the record for the number of stuntman simultaneously on fire for a television production. Both the cinematography and and direction were some of the best executed in the series. It's an episode I will need to watch several times to fully appreciate it. And that's not to neglect the reunion of the Stark siblings and the confrontation between Jon and Theon.  I'm not sure how one focuses on the episode's few logistical shortcomings and doesn't revel in how great this hour of television was. But again, that's just my opinion.  

[AtariLegend]

Look I like the show, but to suggest these are minor criticisms at times...

The tone of Season 1-4 was completely different, it's hard to see how someone can't recognize that. It was an adaption with some weird minor changes and apart from the Yara's men vs. Ramsay's dogs moment, randomly forgetting how many kids Ceseri had, it was all justifiable.

Season 5 was them trying to fit 2 books into one season, while merging storylines/scrapping (Sansa/Littlefinger) others and coming up with weird new other ones (see whatever Dorne was). Then they still didn't have enough time, and chose to swing around in a circle last season with certain storylines see Arya/Mereen. It resulted in a mess.

I don't know how people who haven't read the books still haven't noticed that Tyrion/Varys/Sansa/Littlefinger/Arya/Jamie are not the same characters they were in season 4.

I don't get how anyone can't question Arya getting stabbed to death last year, then running/jumping over buildings like Jason Bourne. How she's know magically the best sword fighter in the seven kingdoms, just because she got beat with a stick last season.

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[Georgy Zhukov]

7 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Rickon is the Dizzy Reed of the Starks lol.

More like Pitman. 

[downzy]

11 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

Look I like the show, but to suggest these are minor criticisms at times...

The tone of Season 1-4 was completely different, it's hard to see how someone can't recognize that. It was an adaption with some weird minor changes and apart from the Yara's men vs. Ramsay's dogs moment, randomly forgetting how many kids Ceseri had, it was all justifiable.

Season 5 was them trying to fit 2 books into one season, while merging storylines/scrapping (Sansa/Littlefinger) others and coming up with weird new other ones (see whatever Dorne was). Then they still didn't have enough time, and chose to swing around in a circle last season with certain storylines see Arya/Mereen. It resulted in a mess.

I don't know how people who haven't read the books still haven't noticed that Tyrion/Varys/Sansa/Littlefinger/Arya/Jamie are not the seem characters they were in season 4.

I don't get how anyone can't question Arya getting stabbed to death last year, then running/jumping over buildings like Jason Bourne. How she's know magically the best sword fighter in the seven kingdoms, just because she got beat with a stick last season.

There are certainly different phases within the series.  I grant that those who are wanting a faithful retelling of the books are going to be disappointed, but as someone who hasn't read a single word from the books, I've enjoyed the entire series.  It's funny how you fault the show for shoehorning two books into one season as I felt the last couple of seasons have dragged and could have benefited from a little expediting.  Sure, the show has had weak points and plot lines that didn't pan out as well as they could have (we can all agree that Dorne was a misfire), but looking at the totality of what we have here hard to find fault.  The story is sprawling and to bog the series down with some of the minutiae of the books would not, in my opinion, benefit the show.  

In a world where there are dragons, an army of the dead, spells, wizards, and people coming back from the dead and changing faces/stature, are we really going to nitpick about how Arya became the warrior she's become?  I assume she spent a year or two training on stealth/face changing/fighting matters - isn't that enough explanation?  It reminds me of the debate over the show Lost and how people would demand absolute clarity on certain matters but give a pass on other unexplained phenomenons.  What matters to me is explaining motives and justifications for character developments and actions within the story's narrative.  And on that basis, I think the show has done a good job (with a few exceptions).

I recall my wife telling me during the second season that Jamie becomes a more likeable character in the books than how he's originally presented.  Since characters evolve, grow and adapt within the books, I'm not sure why anyone would find fault with the various character developments in the show.  I've enjoyed seeing how each character has evolved as their world changes around them.  Of course they're not the same character after six or seven seasons.  The show would be worse off if characters remained static throughout the story.