RazorGunner Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanG said: It's all about moderation. There are recovering alcoholics who can go back to drinking a beer or glass of wine occasionally, or recovering heroin addicts who can smoke a joint every now and then without going back to being full blown drug addicts. I don't know anything Steven's situation because I don't know the guy, and I understand that for most recovering addicts this isn't possible, but not everyone is an ''all or nothing'' type of person. That's true- but for him to claim that he is completely sober isn't a true or honest statement, much like everything else he says. He should actually get someone to explain the four agreements to him, instead of lying about following them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, RazorGunner said: AND All this lengthy agenda-oriented opinionated synopsis won't make one iota of difference. Wasted effort. Guns N' Roses will be playing to their thousands of fans at the EU festivals this summer and Adler will be playing to his tens of fans on his little fantasy ego tour- and probably whining the entire time. I'm really glad GNR didn't bother to respond publicly to his idiotic interviews. Yet if you go back just a few years, Rose was playing the hits in Vegas casinos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Izzy's was the worst, Haha That one was really uncalled for, lol.... Izzy can be pretty mean and sarcastic too but he does it with style, like when he mocked Axl on the phone, turning pages of what seems to be a notebook where Axl kept quotes of what the old lineup said about him on the press Edited April 25, 2018 by killuridols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorGunner Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Yet if you go back just a few years, Rose was playing the hits in Vegas casinos! Those were great shows- you should have gone! Exactly how does that change anything I just said? You can call Axl every name in the book, accuse him of various and spurious deeds, post every disrespectful statement about him that you have available or can concoct BUT it won't change the fact that GNR is wrapping up a hugely successful tour and Adler hasn't been a member since 1990. It's a losing proposition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, RazorGunner said: Those were great shows- you should have gone! Exactly how does that change anything I just said? You can call Axl every name in the book, accuse him of various and spurious deeds, post every disrespectful statement about him that you have available or can concoct BUT it won't change the fact that GNR is wrapping up a hugely successful tour and Adler hasn't been a member since 1990. It's a losing proposition. Well Adler should concentrate on his own thing (I've said as such elsewhere) - he should put out rock n' roll albums on indies and forget about Guns. I'll freely admit Adler's foibles, just that the rest of them seem just as open to criticism. I suppose my point was the unpredictability of (perceived) success. Just a few years ago Rose was playing the hits with Ashba doing Hogan ears to inebriated housewives in Vegas. Slash was doing the theatres and McKagan his clubs. As I said, I wouldn't see either. Neither of them are very enticing prospects, Adler and Jizzy and Chips v the flabby boobs Mickey Mouse tour. Although at least Adler has the decency to be affordable. It would be a tenner, yes? If I wanted stale cheese I'd scurry around in my fridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Slash did not write his book either.... Gn'R will wrap up a successful tour that entirely relied on the nostalgia of the AFD album (of which Steven is part of) and the guys who were part of it, Slash and Duff. Not to mention they also used Adler a few times, to spice up some of their repetitive shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Just what has anyone got against Adler. Let's analyse proceedings, - Adler took drugs: so did Slash and Duff. - Adler took drugs to such a heightened degree that it buggered up his health, death impending: ditto Slash and Duff - Adler struggled for sobriety: you guessed it, Slosh and Duffy. Slosh had a defibrillator. Duff's pancreas exploded. Duff has the ''Danniella Westbrook nose'' because of all the coke he stuffed up it - these issues still effect them today, like Adler's speech impediment. - Adler was unreliable to the point his unreliability impeded the functionality of the band: W. Axl Rose. How many cancelled tours, non-appearances, hissy fits and riots should we mention? You may also mention Izzy ''the Flying Dutchman'' Stradlin. - Adler peddles nostalgia: so have Rose and to a lesser extent Slash and Duff. Rose has been a thorough ''legacy act'' since c. 2011 and the reunion merely reinforces that. - Adler has formed a ''covers band to capitalise on GN'R'': (cough) Nugnr - Adler criticises ex-bandmates publicly: Slash is ''in my ass/a cancer'' and a load of Slash interviews lambasting Rose's ''NINsy'' musical direction and crazy escapades. Just about everything Adler is guilty of, the other band members are also guilty of!! I could care less about any of that personally. He just has a way of alienating himself with his own personality. At this juncture it's obviouusly something that is not going to change, stoned or sober. And why ruin the vibe and fun for the rest of the guys when he's simply not inthat vital of a role at this point? What's he bringing to the table at this point that they need and can't survive without? Edited April 26, 2018 by Order of Nine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, RazorGunner said: Those were great shows- you should have gone! Exactly how does that change anything I just said? You can call Axl every name in the book, accuse him of various and spurious deeds, post every disrespectful statement about him that you have available or can concoct BUT it won't change the fact that GNR is wrapping up a hugely successful tour and Adler hasn't been a member since 1990. It's a losing proposition. The shows I saw were very good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Order of Nine said: I could care less about any of that personally. He just has a way of alienating himself with his own personality. At this juncture it's obviou usly something that is not going to change, stoned or sober. And why ruin the vibe and fun for the rest of the guys when he's simply not inthat vital of a role at this point? What's he bringing to the table at this point that they need and can't survive without? I don't know. I'm not one who would be interested but I suppose if I did want the nostalgia stadium thing I'd want it with the five of them. I am rather glad Slash is going back to the Conspirators to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, DieselDaisy said: I don't know. I'm not one who would be interested but I suppose if I did want the nostalgia stadium thing I'd want it with the five of them. I am rather glad Slash is going back to the Conspirators to be honest. That's my.point, he's not going to add anything vital to this, he's only just been a buzz kill. Using the press to mouth off like usual. 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: I don't know. I'm not one who would be interested but I suppose if I did want the nostalgia stadium thing I'd want it with the five of them. I am rather glad Slash is going back to the Conspirators to be honest. Trade one nostalgia show for another? How dare you! Slash will play almost half of a guns set... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: I don't know. I'm not one who would be interested but I suppose if I did want the nostalgia stadium thing I'd want it with the five of them. I am rather glad Slash is going back to the Conspirators to be honest. Because if we can't have Steven Adler what's the point of any of it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorGunner Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Well Adler should concentrate on his own thing (I've said as such elsewhere) - he should put out rock n' roll albums on indies and forget about Guns. I'll freely admit Adler's foibles, just that the rest of them seem just as open to criticism. I suppose my point was the unpredictability of (perceived) success. Just a few years ago Rose was playing the hits with Ashba doing Hogan ears to inebriated housewives in Vegas. Slash was doing the theatres and McKagan his clubs. As I said, I wouldn't see either. Neither of them are very enticing prospects, Adler and Jizzy and Chips v the flabby boobs Mickey Mouse tour. Although at least Adler has the decency to be affordable. It would be a tenner, yes? If I wanted stale cheese I'd scurry around in my fridge. Criticisms can be fair, there is such a thing as unproductive criticism though, and IMO some of yours definitely falls into that category- however it may be cathartic for an array of different reasons. Wasn't an Ashba fan, can certainly understand the animosity aimed in his direction and even relate there-He is laughable, and a media whore. I'd definitely choose GNR over SADler's band, no comparison whatsoever imo, granted- I'm not an Adler fan, (I suppose that's apparent), and his interviews have irked the bejeebus out of me for years. Any sympathy I had for him has long since flown the coop with his constant accusations, lying about being clean, and he greatly overestimates his importance- Duff said under oath that he wrote some of the drum tracks on GNRs albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Modano09 said: Because if we can't have Steven Adler what's the point of any of it? Well Frank sounds like a sack of spuds so to be honest you're correct (yes I know you're being sarcastic). Guns have never sounded right without Adler. Izzy said as such. Duff said as such. They all know it - even Rose if he was honest with himself. Try and remove Watts from the Stones. It would sound cack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Well Frank sounds like a sack of spuds so to be honest you're correct (yes I know you're being sarcastic). Guns have never sounded right without Adler. Izzy said as such. Duff said as such. They all know it - even Rose if he was honest with himself. Try and remove Watts from the Stones. It would sound cack. "Never sounded right" is a pretty vague criticism because there's concrete evidence that Adler makes one difference to GNR as a whole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, Modano09 said: "Never sounded right" is a pretty vague criticism because there's concrete evidence that Adler makes one difference to GNR as a whole. Absolute garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Absolute garbage. So the Illusion album and tour tanked then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, Modano09 said: So the Illusion album and tour tanked then? Well it rather did in the sense that Guns are basically seen as an one-album (Appetite) band, and that album is seen as deeply flawed. Most of the touring money was pissed down the drain on Rose's lawsuits and themed parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorGunner Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Well Frank sounds like a sack of spuds so to be honest you're correct (yes I know you're being sarcastic). Guns have never sounded right without Adler. Izzy said as such. Duff said as such. They all know it - even Rose if he was honest with himself. Try and remove Watts from the Stones. It would sound cack. If SADler's talent were that great and irreplaceable he would have been used by other bands over the years, and certainly by the alumni- despite his many issues. The fact that he was only used sparingly by the alumni speaks volumes- Why open yourself up to his nonsense when another drummer could do as good as, or a better job? SADler is a walking liability. Frank will celebrate his 12th year with GNR in June- he must be doing something right. Edited April 26, 2018 by RazorGunner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Well it rather did in the sense that Guns are basically seen as an one-album (Appetite) band, and that album is seen as deeply flawed. Most of the touring money was pissed down the drain on Rose's lawsuits and themed parties. And none of that has anything to do with how much the general public cared about Steven Adler. There's no measurable statistic that suggests anyone cares about whether Adler is in the band or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, RazorGunner said: If SADler's talent were that great and irreplaceable he would have been used by other bands over the years, and certainly by the alumni- despite his many issues. The fact that he was only used sparingly by the alumni speaks volumes- Why open yourself up to his nonsense when another drummer could do as good as, or a better job? SADler is a walking liability. I would say because of his many issues - AC/DC courted him after all. But despite all that, x number of years of drug addiction, he has still released more material than Rose haha. 3 minutes ago, Modano09 said: And none of that has anything to do with how much the general public cared about Steven Adler. There's no measurable statistic that suggests anyone cares about whether Adler is in the band or not. I couldn't give a monkeys how much the ''general public'' care about anyone - are these the people who buy overpriced VIPs?. Adler is essential to the GN'R sound. GN'R have never sounded so good with him: they have never sounded remotely as good without him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Well it rather did in the sense that Guns are basically seen as an one-album (Appetite) band, and that album is seen as deeply flawed. Most of the touring money was pissed down the drain on Rose's lawsuits and themed parties. Man you really reach for things that stretch beyond the basic point.. who cares how Rose or the band spent THIER money. Your just throwing darts for the sake of throwing darts now, but at least hit a target. How about the fact Adler, in his 30 years since Guns hasn't progressed as a drummer. Sober or Not. Is that a good reason to be critical of a musician? He's got countless youtube links of him playing along with the Appetite album, how about something off of the other albums that are beyond that? He spends to much time living in 1989, how about moving forward? 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I would say because of his many issues - AC/DC courted him after all. But despite all that, x number of years of drug addiction, he has still released more material than Rose haha. I couldn't give a monkeys how much the ''general public'' care about anyone - are these the people who buy overpriced VIPs?. Adler is essential to the GN'R sound. GN'R have never sounded so good with him: they have never sounded remotely as good without him. And how many people attending the shows have walked out or protested that "essential" Adler drumming??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Order of Nine said: How about the fact Adler, in his 30 years since Guns hasn't progressed as a drummer. Sober or Not. Is that a good reason to be critical of a musician? He's got countless youtube links of him playing along with the Appetite album, how about something off of the other albums that are beyond that? He spends to much time living in 1989, how about moving forward? Yes, I agree. Far too much like Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorGunner Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, DieselDaisy said: I would say because of his many issues - AC/DC courted him after all. But despite all that, x number of years of drug addiction, he has still released more material than Rose haha. SADler is not remotely in the same league with Axl- I can't name a single song off all of his lackluster albums. Quantity isn't everything- If quality isn't there, then who cares? Just now, DieselDaisy said: I couldn't give a monkeys how much the ''general public'' care about anyone - are these the people who buy overpriced VIPs?. Adler is essential to the GN'R sound. GN'R have never sounded so good with him: they have never sounded remotely as good without him. That's your opinion though, Adler has no leverage with GNR, they are filling stadiums and arenas just fine without him, and nobody really cares except a handful of nostalgic old school hard cores on forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I would say because of his many issues - AC/DC courted him after all. But despite all that, x number of years of drug addiction, he has still released more material than Rose haha. I couldn't give a monkeys how much the ''general public'' care about anyone - are these the people who buy overpriced VIPs?. Adler is essential to the GN'R sound. GN'R have never sounded so good with him: they have never sounded remotely as good without him. He's not essential to anything beyond the vague "sound". Nobody's walking out of those concerts upset because it didn't sound right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Yes, I agree. Far too much like Axl. Nah, Axl actually had the balls to try and do something a bit more out of the pocket unlike Adler and the other alumni. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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