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I think things were at their best/most focused with the "leaner" Stinson/Finck/Freese line-up(s) of 98-99 (i.e. "OMG"-era). For better or worse- Axl was driving the band to an updated, contemporary sound- and he had successfully recruited the type of players who were motivated, and capable (IMHO) of doing it. Seems like the esprit de corps was good too. If I'm not mistaken many are still friendly with one another (e.g. Tommy-Josh, Robin-Josh, etc.), and I think Finck & Freese are even on good terms with Duff from 1997-98. 1999 would have been such a great time to relaunch with the SPIN "What The World Needs Now" cover/feature, RS article, Loder interview, etc. too.

Seemingly none of the extra nonsense (chicken coops, bullying, pulling knives, etc.) of future Chinese line-ups. More like a select group of modern players trying to help Axl come back with a grittier Achtung Baby or something. The fact some of the same folks (Freese, Howerdel, etc.) connected with that era soon turned around and put Mer de Noms out shows me there was something special going on in those circles at the time...

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17 minutes ago, AXL_N_DIZZY said:

I think things were at their best/most focused with the "leaner" Stinson/Finck/Freese line-up(s) of 98-99 (i.e. "OMG"-era). For better or worse- Axl was driving the band to an updated, contemporary sound- and he had successfully recruited the type of players who were motivated, and capable (IMHO) of doing it. Seems like the esprit de corps was good too. If I'm not mistaken many are still friendly with one another (e.g. Tommy-Josh, Robin-Josh, etc.), and I think Finck & Freese are even on good terms with Duff from 1997-98. 1999 would have been such a great time to relaunch with the SPIN "What The World Needs Now" cover/feature, RS article, Loder interview, etc. too.

Seemingly none of the extra nonsense (chicken coops, bullying, pulling knives, etc.) of future Chinese line-ups. More like a select group of modern players trying to help Axl come back with a grittier Achtung Baby or something. The fact some of the same folks (Freese, Howerdel, etc.) connected with that era soon turned around and put Mer de Noms out shows me there was something special going on in those circles at the time...

Who pulled a knife?

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3 hours ago, GnrJasmin92 said:

I feel like many of the celebrities say they have a disorder, just to gain more attention. A lot of them are supossedly 'depressed' & 'unhinged'. 

sure, this type of celebrities exist , but not all is same.

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11 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

Who pulled a knife?

Apparently Bumbe to Tommy Stinson.

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5 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

Feeling like we can't talk about these things and keeping it taboo would promote stigma - and I think people using his known behaviours and trying to understand why he may do the things he does are generally well-intentioned, despite being unqualified.

You may have things mixed up. Asperger's was recently removed as it's own category from the DSM because it was instead included under the umbrella of ASD, but can still be used as a separate diagnosis.

I think it may be as simple as he does the things he does because it makes him more comfortable, with the added bonus of it fitting in with the Buckethead character. I think it was in the interview posted in the previous page that he confirmed that the mask/bucket image came about because it made him more comfortable with putting himself out there creating and performing, which he didn't feel he could do as Brian Carroll.

Actually it is promoting stigma when there is a whole group of people talking negatively about it and the individual that may or not have a disorder. Yes I know it was removed. As far as wearing a mask it could also be social anxiety or general anxiety disorder. 

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I wonder what this band would have been like if Dave Abruzzese had actually joined and stayed. He was pretty used to getting bullied/bullying his band mates:lol:

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Buckethead is a legend. He is incredibly skilful on guitar, musically fantastic, an artist as well, and seemingly a family person with a huge heart and love for his family. Can't believe people go on about him being a knob etc just because of who he is and how he's chosen to live his life. If he was bullied then shame on whoever bullied him. If he is on the autistic spectrum he deserves massive respect for overcoming the challenges that that might represent and elevating himself to a fabulous career - a role model. And if he isn't on the autistic spectrum then he still deserves massive respect for creating a truly unique persona in music.

True respect.

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23 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

Buckethead is a legend. He is incredibly skilful on guitar, musically fantastic, an artist as well, and seemingly a family person with a huge heart and love for his family. Can't believe people go on about him being a knob etc just because of who he is and how he's chosen to live his life. If he was bullied then shame on whoever bullied him. If he is on the autistic spectrum he deserves massive respect for overcoming the challenges that that might represent and elevating himself to a fabulous career - a role model. And if he isn't on the autistic spectrum then he still deserves massive respect for creating a truly unique persona in music.

True respect.

100% agree.

 

Yes, his style of music is not for everyone - for most people, in fact. But he was the best musician GNR has ever had, In a technical and creative sense, and if Axl were more like him we'd have at least half a dozen, probably more, fascinating GNR albums to be talking about right now.

 

I couldn't care less how weird or fucked up he may be. The man is a genius.

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1 minute ago, lame ass security said:

Wow, didn't know that.  Just picturing that cracks me up a bit.

The self Bumblefoot confessed this situation.

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Bumblefoot said a lot of bad things about Tommy during 2014 SA TOUR (Duff was filling in for tommy in some shows). But it seems to be something that happened in that very specific tour. He was in good terms with Tommy in 2012/13.

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Tommy was a fucking drunk. And not even a cool one like slash was. Just a bad looking drunk.

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12 minutes ago, RageKage said:

Tommy was a fucking drunk. And not even a cool one like slash was. Just a bad looking drunk.

I remember reading this was indeed an issue back then-I think he may have been going through a divorce also.

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6 minutes ago, RageKage said:

Read my post again

I did and I still don't understand your point. 

Outside of GNR, Tommy is a well-respected, arguably legendary musician. Whereas Slash - as much as I love him - has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR. But you think Slash is a 'cool drunk' and Tommy isn't?

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5 minutes ago, Rock the Cock said:

I did and I still don't understand your point. 

Outside of GNR, Tommy is a well-respected, arguably legendary musician. Whereas Slash - as much as I love him - has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR. But you think Slash is a 'cool drunk' and Tommy isn't?

this is troll post of the year already

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5 minutes ago, Rock the Cock said:

I did and I still don't understand your point. 

Outside of GNR, Tommy is a well-respected, arguably legendary musician. Whereas Slash - as much as I love him - has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR. But you think Slash is a 'cool drunk' and Tommy isn't?

Slash is a fucking legend. Tommy is a nobody. Slash never had to bully anyone. Tommy, who is a wet fart in gnr history, did.

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12 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

this is troll post of the year already

Tommy was the bassist in the Replacements - they were a legendary and very influential band, close to the level of GNR. I am not your typical anti-Axl, anti-Slash, whatever... I love GNR, not interested in sides. But Tommy Stinson and the Replacements are on the same level of influence and importance as GNR. That's a fact - whether you like it or not!

11 minutes ago, RageKage said:

Slash is a fucking legend. Tommy is a nobody. Slash never had to bully anyone. Tommy, who is a wet fart in gnr history, did.

Slash is a legend. So is Tommy. Do your homework and turn your speakers to 11 in the process, son.

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2 minutes ago, Rock the Cock said:

But Tommy Stinson and the Replacements are on the same level of influence and importance as GNR. That's a fact - whether you like it or not/

I love The Replacements, and they were influential in their style and scene sure, however GNR was and is on another level in terms of influence and importance for sure

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10 minutes ago, Rock the Cock said:

Tommy was the bassist in the Replacements - they were a legendary and very influential band, close to the level of GNR. I am not your typical anti-Axl, anti-Slash, whatever... I love GNR, not interested in sides. But Tommy Stinson and the Replacements are on the same level of influence and importance as GNR. That's a fact - whether you like it or not!

Thats not what you argued originally. 

Originally you tried to argue "Slash has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR."

Slither won a Grammy, so.

 

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2 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

I love The Replacements, and they were influential in their style and scene sure, however GNR was and is on another level in terms of influence and importance for sure

In all honesty, I'm not interested in being drawn into the the "more or less" argument.

But, as a fellow Prince fam (based on your pic), perhaps you will agree that there is a better and worse influence? Who was a 'better' influence': the more talented Mr Nelson or the less talented but more popular Mr Jackson? I'm no arbiter of taste or fact, but of course there is a certain objectivity in music. Just for arguments' sake: I don't want to pretend to judge on music in any way at all.

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5 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Thats not what you argued originally. 

Originally you tried to argue "Slash has done nothing noteworthy outside of GNR."

Slither won a Grammy, so.

 

Slither is a fantastic song, in my opinion.  I like Contraband and Libertad a lot. So I'll retract what I said. But is anything he has made really great?

 

P.S. I don't think Chinese Democracy is that great, either. Still love it, though. There's nothing wrong with an album with flaws.

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alright im going to have to call it on this discussion. Theres more backtracking in this argument than a Russian investigation 

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4 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

alright im going to have to call it on this discussion. Theres more backtracking in this argument than a Russian investigation 

There's nothing wrong with adults accepting one another's point of view, is there?

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1 minute ago, Rock the Cock said:

There's nothing wrong with adults accepting one another's point of view, is there?

Not at all, when it's a coherent argument. I have no clue what you are trying to say right now other than disagreeing with other peoples point of view. 

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