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3 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Agree completely. I was at the opening night of the last tour also, and it was easily one of the most exciting Alice shows I’ve ever seen. And the surprises in the set list…Bed Of Nails, Muscle Of Love, My Stars, Roses On White Lace, Escape, Teenage Frankenstein, etc. It was the first Alice production in a decade that truly felt fresh both in terms of stage and set list. The juxtaposition of that tour to this tour is really what makes this one feel especially weak IMO. 

Yeah, definitely the most exciting one since the Brutal Planet/Dragontown tours. And I've seen him 40+ times since. Bought tickets for 3 US shows in September, based on how great the last tour was, now with this setlist I'm not so sure on whether that was a good decision. All the interesting songs are gone and we're mostly back to the staples. Well, at least he kept Bed of nails. That song kicks so much ass live.

15 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

The point you make is valid, but Alice Cooper is a baaad example in this scenario - you're making it sound a lot more exciting than it was. I saw the second night of the tour over the weekend in Youngstown, and it was probably the most underwhelming show I've seen from Alice in 40+ times on about 8 different tours. To your points on his setlist:

- The live debut you mention (I'll refrain from naming songs in case anybody is seeing him and avoiding spoilers) looks a lot more exciting on paper than it really is - in reality it's a very short intro that's only maybe 45 seconds long that only serves as an opening to the show. Alice sings one verse and that's it - onto one of the staples. And it's a song that nobody except the absolute most die-heard Alice fans know. It's more a novelty than a legitimately exciting talking point, and I say that as it being off my favorite of his solo albums and only having seen one song from that album before. 
- The song not played since 1991 is a good choice in my opinion and one I've wanted to hear for some time, but it's also not exactly a popular song even amongst diehard fans and most of the crowd will still be going "huh?"
- The song not played since 2017 is a staple that get's played more often than it does not - it's certainly not a "wow, look at this exciting song Alice Cooper is doing" type song. 
- The closer is a song that only gets played during a specific timeframe nowadays, can't elaborate on that without giving away what the song is. Also worth noting that the last time it was an appropriate song choice Alice wasn't able to play it for obvious reasons. 

Besides all that, there's a lot more negatives to the new show than there are positives. This new show is, in the strictest sense, the most "greatest hits"-y Alice Cooper show I've ever seen. There were exactly no new bits of stage show/production than than a new stage set...which nobody interacts with at all. He does all of the appropriate theatrics, but there's no connective tissue between any of it - there's never that story aspect. So Alice gets executed as you expect - but there's no reason. There's no him killing somebody, doing something evil, just "well, it's time to execute Alice". He gets executed in the straightjacket, then immediately comes back onstage in the next song still wearing the straightjacket - why? It's all extra frustrating because Alice made promises before this tour that did not come to fruition - new stage (yes), new theatrics (no), some of the staple theatrics being retired (no, at least not the specific examples he gave), totally revamped setlist (no, at least not beyond the songs detailed above. Four out of 25 is now a "whole new show"). This isn't the first time Alice has made big promises about a new show and not met them. 

This is all a bit rambling, and it's certainly not as stale as we've come to expect from GN'R, but it's definitely a very bad example up alongside Metallica and Springsteen who actually are doing really exciting things on tour this year. 

Yeah. Easily went from one of his best setlists to one of his most predictable and boring ones.

31 minutes ago, scottish nutter said:

So how come this thread is allowed yet the thread about axls pubes was deleted?

pubes are as natural as face hair

 

Im guessing whoever deleted it was jelouse they couldnt grow any yet?

Please contain talk about GNR member's hair in one thread.

44 minutes ago, username said:

Speaking of tickey prices.... 

  

 

 

Seriously, who the FUCK buys this shit? 

People with too much/no sense for money.

21 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Perhaps the ticket prices are so high that venues only need to be half full to turn a profit? 

 

I'm sure that is a point. People always go, "Oh, there's so many seats left, they must have lost money.", which really isn't the case. Especially if all the tickets are so overpriced. They don't make as much money, as they wish they would, but still enough to make it worthwhile. And I guess it also depends on how much it actually costs to rent a stadium. If they have good deals, it probably isn't really all that much more expensive than an arena or a smaller stadium. Either way, they know so much more than we do.

9 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

Very good point at the end.  For those who say Axl doesn't rehearse.  The entire show is rehearsed.  They don't just wander around the stage randomly.  Aside from keeping them from crashing into each other or getting whacked by the bottom of the mic stand, for the audience you don't want Axl, Slash, Duff and Richard all together on the far left or far right of the stage.  

I'm sure if we went backed and reviewed video from the UYI tour, Axl's runs across the stage were in similar spots in the songs and in the same direction from show to show.  The spotlight operator has to have some clue as to where he is going to go and when.

I wouldn't say it's that rehearsed where they walk. It's just a given that they try to cover the stage and not always all be on the same spot. But you see that Axl always touches whomever person he stands behind, so they don't turn around and run into him. Though it still happens, that something unexpectedly happens, like he throwing his mic stand to the back and almost hitting Slash, but who kinda expected that to happen though and stopped, so the mic stand could pass, before walking on like what happened in Munich last year, what I just noticed this weekend when I was watching my videos for the first time. Axl didn't notice. But someone in the crew and they seemed to have laugh about it.

5 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

 

Idk I think it's just too slow. And that scenario you mentioned would work well at night but usually they take the stage when it is still light out so I would dislike it even more lol. 

 

I just think when you go to a big show you have an audience that is ready to go. Patience would work better as a closing song IMO.  Sometimes a nice peaceful song is good at the end, kinda like you made it, you can relax.

 

I want something that will get bodies moving and heads banging to open a show

Yeah. Just like Queen's Roger Taylor used to say "Deaf 'em and blind 'em with the first 3 songs, then you can go slow.". I wouldn't mind an extra outro after PC. Prince used to do that frequently in his later years. Ass kicking last song. Lights go on, people start to leave, then he comes back and does another quiet song. But really, I want to rock at the end. The first cords of PC brings that familiar feeling of "You made it. You can finally go to the toilet.".

59 minutes ago, downzy said:

That’s some fine logic you’re employing there: convenience is never dumb regardless of the risk so long as that risk never materializes.   

Yeah. Whatever. I'm sure it happened before, I'm sure it happened again. And nothing bad happened. Nothing is ever guaranteed. If you think about the worst happening, it's also dumb to, say, ride a motorbike.

2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

When did I say casuals are bored? you might need some help reading? never said that. I might have said I'm bored. But never assumed your casual fan isn't being entertained. I understand the "if it ain't broke" system, and GNR continue to sell tickets so that's why gnr do the absolute minimum 

Also I wasn't saying to start with GOE, I was saying they could start with whatever the hell they want, the crowd is so pumped for the first few minutes they don't know what's going on. Also, When I saw GNR the crowd were always into Chinese not sure what gig you were at.

"I've seen more than you have" I didn't realise I was back in secondary school🤣🤣 

Then why are you arguing? The casual fan is happy and there still plenty of fans who go see them all over the world e.g. Tako. And the bored ones like you, obviously are not needed. Not saying it couldn't be better, but I also understand why it is the way it is. If you aren't in secondary school, then why tell me I've seen nothing?? Why would I have this conversation if I saw nothing?

2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I never said GNR offered that package. 

GNR have repeatedly said how the show is different every night, in almost every interview they've done where they get asked about the tour.

"It's what works best, deal with it" you should be the gnr press secretary🤣 bottom line. 7rs of this show.  SEVEN. YEARS. Just in case you missed that. You seem to think other bands do this, which leads me to believe you go to fuck all other bands😄 I have seen a lot of bands and if I see them two years later, the show is flipped on its head. Changing the order, makes the show interesting and it would help. Adventurous playing more UYI songs, I don't even care so much for this, but it would be nice... like you said there is a limited catalogue.

"Something different/new every leg" you're arguing over crumbs. The show has evolved, ever so slightly. And that's all the leeway I'll give them. You're arguing that these casual fans won't enjoy the show any other way than the way it's currently done? Pat... these casuals only care about hearing the hits, as long as they hear those GNR could open with Garden of Eden and close with My Michelle and it wouldn't matter to them. I am however quite aware why the set is how it is, and 7yrs ago it was great. But again that's nearly a decade ago. AND may I also refresh your memory for another valid point!! GNR advertised "an all new show" for their 2020 shows. I eagerly await your reason why GNR should not have had to honour their own advertisement. "guhuh...pandemic... it was a new show, they played HardSkool" 🤣 but we saw the first show of that tour and they didn't change a lick, so... there ya go!

In the last 7 years? Yeah. Right. They did plenty of interviews in the past 7 years. And even if they said something to that effect, I'm sure for them it's different. Different city, different stadium, different crowd.
Not sure how preferring ISE as opener and PC as closer makes me a press secretary, but whatever. You also think I don't know it's 7 years, despite pointing that out in my last post. And still most countries had them only visit 2 or 3 times. Or even the first time this year. So it doesn't really matter, for that country it's "new". Also you think I haven't seen anyone else, I'm sure I've seen more than you have. No, I never said that, it's you who's arguing that casuals are not enjoying it at all and are as bored as you are, which they aren't because they have other things going on in their life and for them it's new(ish). And luckily you're not in charge of setlists, as starting with Garden of Eden would be the biggest dud imaginable, same as in the fake GNR years, when they started with CD to mostly crickets and then the show really started when they played Jungle. What does false advertising (whoever came up with that "an all new show" line) have to do with how shows/setlist usually are?

21 minutes ago, downzy said:

Smart people can still make dumb decisions. I’m not suggesting that they’re terrible people, but to leave young kids unaccompanied while on vacation is just dumb.  It’s an unnecessary risk, like leaving your kid in the car because you’re only going to be two seconds in the car.  

It's only dumb, because their child got snatched. Otherwise they would have had a great holiday with also some time for the grown ups. And the car comparison doesn't really fly, but whatever.

23 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

First of all most bands are quite aware that fans go see multiple shows, so much so they offer packages for people who want to do that. So they are kinda meant for that.

Most artists do the same set each night. Most not all. But most artists don't go around saying "it's different every night" that might suggest that they might open with Jungle or out ta get me some nights just because, but back in reality their different is "I play a slightly different solo on a few songs, or make the jam session in kohd longer".

But if we're talking about most bands. Most bands. I mean 99% of big touring bands do not play what is essentially the same configuration of songs for 7yrs. Start/finish songs get swapped out, some hits disappear for a leg replaced by other hits, there's new stage design, pyro. So it really is beside the point if you follow every setlist on your PC or haven't seen a show in a few years in person, gnr have been coasting. Yes, they've added maybe 10 songs? Big whoop, it's basically the equivalent of putting on a fake moustache and saying you're someone different. 7yrs later, the show should barely resemble NITL (hits have to be included of course) end of story.

I'm basically fine with this, I don't have to go support it. I just find it hard to stomach, someone actually defending it as if it's normal😄

When have GNR offered packages to go to different cities?? When have GNR said it's different every night?? They certainly said none of that the last 7 years. Even back in the 90's it was pretty much the same every night. There is nothing to defend. It's just the way it is. To demand them doing different setlists every night, so you can have something different to read every morning, when the vast majority of artists pretty much play the same set each night and especially acts on GNR's level, is ridiculous. And nevermind, that it's a band with a limited catalog. So there is bound to be some overlaps. Changing the order they play the songs, won't change that. And to open with ISE and close with PC is what works best. Deal with it. Yeah, they could be more adventerous with playing more UYI songs, but then something else will go and people complain. Can't please them all. This show clearly is catered to the casuals who fill up the stadiums. And like I said, there was something different/new on every leg.

54 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Maybe not horrible, but they’re audibly hard for him. And he can’t not be aware of it. And he can’t not be aware of the more or less same playlist either, with negligible alternations between individual shows/legs. I know you know what I’m talking about. 

But once again, most bands do play the same setlist night in night out. Concerts are not designed for screen warriors, checking out every setlist on their PC, never going to a show themselves. Concerts are not even really designed to be attended multiple times. Certainly not at these prices. And so far, on every leg there have been songs, they haven't played before. Sometimes it's even a different setlist on the same leg. And for the casuals, it won't matter anyway, as in most countries/cities they only did 2-3 shows anyway in the past 7 years.

10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Answer: The millions of people who have attended the GN'R shows over these last few years.

Exactly. It's great if there are rotating songs, but the fact is, that usually doesn't happen. Most acts stick to one setlist and maybe have 1 or 2 songs changed, if the audience is lucky. We get that with GNR too. Sometimes there is a different song played than the night before.

3 hours ago, cineater said:

So he wants to be a dick, demand they do a certain song with his sound engineers saying he's going to sound like shit and the band saying they don't have it down.  Do you think the man is stupid?

It's probably something in their contracts they've worked out. 

Huh? A contract who decides which songs to do??

6 hours ago, batman007 said:

I think tickets should have been lower. And closer to the date , will go much lower. I'm looking at the Texas dates , and it's not selling well.  I believe Guns should have done non stadiums here in the US. 

The funny thing is, if ticketprices would be lower, stadiums wouldn't feel like a reach. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm sure it will work out, but if tickets were cheaper from the get go, hurdles for people to go would be much lower.

4 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

It is her parents that are refusing to take a test. I don't know if the McCanns have been asked. I guess if the parents' test gets taken and proves no DNA match to her then I'd think the next step would be asking the McCanns

She doesn't really need her parents permission, doesn't she? A comb with some hair or whatever would be enough to get a test done. A rather easy effort if she legitimately believes that her parents are not her parents (and would also increase the chances of a court ruling in her favour).  But also madness on her parents part to refuse, when they got nothing to hide. But really, putting myself in her shoes, that would be my first action, instead of claiming that I'm this abducted girl, which really tells me though, that that person is sick and only after attention.

13 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

That's how it was yesterday, I think she's trying to get a court order to force them

Wow. How sick can one be? Which court would order strangers to make a DNA test all on baseless claims? Why doesn't she do a DNA test against her parents, if she's so sure, that they aren't her parents? Then she would have a bigger shot at a DNA test with strangers. Also the McCanns would have to be very confident that she can't be it, in order to refuse the test.

1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

So it's still up in the air and no tests are being done?

Well, if they refuse I'm guessing they are pretty certain it can't be her and nothing is in the air.

11 hours ago, WillBailey said:

I know but when I do, I get an error message :

"Pardon the Interruption

As you were browsing something about your browser made us think you were a bot. "

Same on wifi and cellular (tried Chrome, Safari). Weird.

Yeah. That is some bug, had that too last week when tickets went on sale. It did work on the phone though. Eventually it also worked on the computer. There was a button I needed to click, which previously didn't show.

4 hours ago, rockphantom said:

I bet if Frank quit the band, that Brian Mantia would be offered the drum stool, just to further stick it to Steven and Matt. 

People still don't get why Steven/Matt/Fitz or any Slash/Matt associated person will get that job. Especially not in 2016. By now things might have changed, should Ferrer drop out.

39 minutes ago, AxlSlashthebest said:

Strange think is that in France  the concert will be at "Arena-La Defence" where the capacity maximum is 40 000 places instead the Stade France (80 000 places)  where they used to be twice 

I guess not so strange. It's the second year they come by and on rather short notice. I guess they are expecting to maybe not sell quite as much as last time they were in Paris on their own.

47 minutes ago, Italian girl said:

They Always play in Dublin.

Other relevant cities in Ireland in terms of big attendance? Just curious..

 

Actually they don't. They don't even play Ireland 2 years in a row. Other than Dublin there would be Slane Castle, which basically could be considered the same, but that has a limited concert schedule and would be even bigger than a stadium or the park they played last time.

1 hour ago, invisible_rose said:

Ok, seems like you just wanna blame GNR/TB for something that every other artist is doing. 

Yes, but it isn't just GNR, is it? It's an industry thing that just shouldn't be allowed, but the monopoly Ticketmaster has means they get away with it. While ever people keep paying, they'll keep doing it - which is part of the reason I won't be going again this year.

I don't give a shit what other artists are doing. If they were doing what other artists are doing, they would release albums. That's something where they also don't follow what other arists are doing. So it has no bearing what other artists are doing. It was their decision to jack up prices.

16 hours ago, SoNobodyToldYaBaby said:

I wonder why they're not doing Ireland this time around? Show was decently attended last summer 

Because Ireland is not a fixture and they switch it up and try to hit different countries on the second go round. Makes sense. Also if the local promoter doesn't book them (and for him it would be a bit of a risk booking them 2 years in a row), they won't go there.