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Yeah, only the first season though. It only came out with subtitles last year, I think. Breaking Bad was the same. The subtitled version took ages and then they only released the first two seasons. The other seasons were released after it became a real hype. Had to wait years for them.

Don't know Vikings.

I just thought of 'my' first Scandinavian series: Riget/The Kingdom. Now that was something else...

Why? Because it's deserved.

See the thread about short-changing fans who bought VIP packages. See the promises of new material, only for that NOT to happen. See Axl's response to GNR's induction to the R&R HOF. See the last four years of stale set lists. See the botched DVD release. See the $150 ticket prices at some of the small venue shows just so Axl doesn't have to cut his guarantee (or cut it by as much as he should).

I'd argue the setlist was changed a decent amount before this current tour. 2009-10 was the CD tour proper, and it changed quite a bit throughout 2010 (though more TWAT and Prostitute would have been nice). 2011 to early 2012 saw Civil War and Estranged come back, along with Used to Love Her, You're Crazy, Dead Flowers, Mama Kin once or twice, and Izzy was brought out for 14 Years, which was my highlight of 2012. Vegas residency was the start of Catcher replacing SOD, couple of new covers (Don't Let It Bring You Down and The Seeker). While covers instead of new songs is lame, The Seeker was really cool live. TWAT got played a few times at the residency, India got Nice Boys once.

Stretching it to justify the same setlist in 2013, but then again it was new for those markets that were played last time in 2010 (Australia, Abu Dhabi, etc.). Voice wasn't hot either, even compared to 2012, and at least in 2012 there was more energy in the raspless performances. I really thought that would be the end of the Greatest Hits Tour, though, and that everything from 2014 on would focus on a new album.

Why does South America not deserve new songs? This is almost the same setlist they got in 2011. Not only that, there is almost zero effort from Axl in the performances, that's the real killer. I wouldn't be so bummed about having paid to see the same setlist again if it was at least a decent show, but it seems like this is the Rolled Out Of Bed And Grabbed My Undersized Jacket Tour.

You can still open with CD + WTTJ + ISE, or even just WTTJ. You can still have, more like should have, SCOM + NR in the middle of the setlist. Nightrain to close main set, PC as final encore. That's all good. But there's so much room to mix up the rest in a 17+ song setlist.

The band is on form as always. But there's no effort being put in from Axl, and that's why the blame falls on Axl from people like me who were previously positive about his efforts.

This is a very fair judgment, I think. Even people who absolutely love Axl, can't help but feeling at least a bit disappointed.

They are Brazilians. They are happy to be fucked up the arse by TB.

Speak for yourself, smartass. I'm fucking pissed.

Did you pay for VIP, Cosmonaut ? And can they just do that ? Because you should get what you paid for, or ask for compensation.

Yeah... I'm gettin my money back. Fuck this. Almost cancelling my flight to curitiba. Too bad I wouldn't be able to sell my concert tickets. I'm feeling like I'm being raped by Guns N' Roses. They're shitting on our heads. Killed the mood to see Guns N' Roses live.

Too bad... I hope you still have a great time though. If your expectations are so low, maybe GNR can exceed them

They are Brazilians. They are happy to be fucked up the arse by TB.

Speak for yourself, smartass. I'm fucking pissed.

Did you pay for VIP, Cosmonaut ? And can they just do that ? Because you should get what you paid for, or ask for compensation.

I discovered them when the video for Paradise City came out, I think. I liked that, and Patience too. Only became a real fan after hearing Civil War for the first time though.

I'd much rather meet the guys in a less "organized" way. I would prefer if they scrapped the meet and greet all together to be honest. I remember Axl saying how meet and greets were lame and that charging fans to meet the band was disgusting... what happened?

That's why the fans now have to pay NOT to meet the band

I didn't know The Bridge was Scandinavian

The language/location didn't give it away?

I haven't seen it but maybe I should give it a chance.

You should. It's one of my favorite series so far.

I'm probably picking up Tusenbröder as well. Sofia Helin is in it too, I saw. Interested in seeing more of her, didn't know her before The Bridge.

Another favorite of mine is a French series: Engrenages/The Spiral.

I would certainly go, but I have never seen them before. In 92 I had tickets to a gig that was cancelled and afterwards, I lost interest or life got in the way, as they say... But I can imagine if I'd seen them a couple of times and there was no new music, no new setlist, I wouldn't go either.

Sorry, haven't seen it on tv. I have it on dvd.

flying around the world banging chicks in his private jet. yeah that must suck

Okay, but I thought we were talking about those annoying gigs he has to turn up to in between banging chicks.

If he doesn't like touring, if he doesn't like taking pictures with fans, doing interviews etc, why is he still doing this ?

Money.

Sad if true. He is infinitely richer than I am, and I get to do a job that I like. Of course, I don't have to provide for a whole army of employees and extended family.

As a non hip hop fan, I went for Nas. Jay-Z's song just made me wish he'd shut up and let Jim Morrison sing

There is always a majority of negative comments, usually at least half of them asking for reunion and calling Axl Asshole Rose, so I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary here.

Just finished the second season of The Bridge. It was great!

Wow.

Just. Wow.

Feel bad for anyone who purchased VIP prior to the change.

They were only announced on the 12th of March as well. 2 weeks after buying them and a few days/a week before the show, and they've been robbed. Poor people. Haven't seen anything on HTGTH about it, though.

I think Jarmo would say you're not allowed to comment, because you haven't paid for the upgrade. I'm sure the people who paid for it will be thrilled to go backstage and see the dressing rooms.

I think the notion that he has more fun on stage these days because he smiles a few times is pretty damn misguided, and I'm surprised so many people here fall for it.

I don't think he's enjoying himself at all from what I can see.

I agree. It doesn't feel like he's having fun or enjoying himself. He doesn't seem... proud anymore about what he's doing. And I don't buy the whole story of him hating touring back in the day. Sure, there were rants and stuff, but there were also lots of times where he genuinely had fun, he owned the stage, he was the star. I think I would rather see that fire and enthusiasm back in him than have him singing perfect all the time actually. Back in the day, his voice was often far from perfect, but his stage presence was there. I know he had to battle his demons then, but I think he still has his demons to battle today.

If he doesn't like touring, if he doesn't like taking pictures with fans, doing interviews etc, why is he still doing this ? Sure, there are musicians that don't like to be in the spotlights all the time, and I understand that, but they make and release music. For some reason, Axl doesn't do that anymore. So why keep going on ?

Stop bringing Slash into every thread. Boring!

I also don't get what the crew member is on about, having a day off. They have only done two gigs! Is he tired already ? I'm sorry, I don't know much about it. Could someone enlighten me ?

Yup. Already lost all enthusiasm for the show in April. If he comes to Europe with the same set and attitude, I'll respond in kind by not giving a shit about the show. Never thought I'd say this. In 2010 I wished I could go to more concerts. By Glasgow 2012 I was wondering what the fuck I was doing, but I still got something out of each of the 2012 shows. 2013 Abu Dhabi was just sad.

I hope Axl sings Happy Birthday to you in Buenos Aires just to make it up to you

I'll take TWAT over Happy Birthday If he sings TWAT in Buenos Aires I'll be an Axolyte that even the combined forces of the Trinity of Jarmo/Ali/MSL have never seen.

Okay then: Axl, if you're reading this, please sing TWAT in Buenos Aires and dedicate it to Amir. And please start rehearsing NOW!

Yup. Already lost all enthusiasm for the show in April. If he comes to Europe with the same set and attitude, I'll respond in kind by not giving a shit about the show. Never thought I'd say this. In 2010 I wished I could go to more concerts. By Glasgow 2012 I was wondering what the fuck I was doing, but I still got something out of each of the 2012 shows. 2013 Abu Dhabi was just sad.

I hope Axl sings Happy Birthday to you in Buenos Aires just to make it up to you

Where are the clips of how Axl sounded?

Yeah. No Axl Rose Disaster III ? Is that the positive side of it all ?

When paradise city starts to play axl will say "surprise" just to deliver a final blow to people's hope on new songs.

'We were going to play three new songs tonight.'

*Beta translates*

*Crowd cheers*

'But then I read the *nerd voice* exclusive thread by that jerkoff NGOG; and the follow-up thread by that Finck-loving cuntsandwich Broskirose. Right there and then I decided to delay any plans by five years - because the internet, and MyGNR in particular, seems to be one big garbage can.'

*Beta translates*

*Crowd cheers*

But I bet you would like that even more than a new song.

Maybe Axl's new look will be something like this?

That will go perfect with their new Queen cover.

It would also explain why there have been no sightings yet.

So a queen song is one of the "2-3 new songs"

And DJ's solo ? Does that count as one as well ? Gee, then we're almost out of new songs... Guess I'll know more tomorrow morning.

And we will judge it all with nothing but youtube clips. And that judgement will be final.

Well, we have a few members attending, so they'll have some input

Anyone know how big the venue is? Or how ticket sales are going? Haven't seen any sell-outs yet...

Manets says it's sold out. Quick search on the internet showed a capacity of 18,000, but I don't know if that's correct.

What time is this show happening UK time? Wondering if I can look forward to waking up to a thirty plus page thread on Friday morning.

Yes, me too. And as I'm away for the weekend, I really want to see the reactions before I leave. Don't want to be the one that's fiddling with a mobile phone all the time