Ridin' the Nightrain Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Let's be fair, Predator was always shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Just got done watching AVPR. I actually thought it was pretty good. Not as good as the first, but good in my opinion none the less.One you hit your late teens/20's you will hate this movie and the original Alien vs Predator. They are just a disgrace compared to Alien 1,2 and Predator.Trust me, I love the old Predator and Alien movies, but I did enjoy these. And I'm sure that by the time I'm in my twenties, I won't be watching either one of the AVP movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Flower Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I watched Billy Madison for the 20th time."Old Man Clemens hates shit!"Anyone who says they hate this movie is a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) I watched Billy Madison for the 20th time."Old Man Clemens hates shit!"Anyone who says they hate this movie is a liar.I think Happy Gilmore is better.- "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast."(pause)- "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?!"Let's be fair, Predator was always shit.No way. Predator is one of the most well-made horror/thriller films of all-time. It's not just a cheesy slasher flick in the jungle. The first time you watch it, you're not sure at first whether the film is a POW commando flick or a science fiction movie. Then halfway through they finally bring in the creature and it starts killing them off, but in classic fashion, you don't see anything clearly, which antes up the tension. The cinematography is solid, McTiernan's direction is top notch, Silvestri's score is creepy, and it's one of the few films Arnold's starred in where he hasn't kind of absorbed the whole picture towards himself. He doesn't even have many one-liners.The very end is a bit silly but it's IMO one of the best hybrid action/horror films ever made. People often give it cult status as a big, loud Arnie movie - ignoring the fact that it's probably the most atypical film he ever starred in. Edited April 22, 2008 by Estranged Reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I had to avert my eyes a couple of times when the camera lingered on his ass a few times too many. At first I thought it was for the chicks in the audience. But looking around the cinema it was wall-to-wall guys in sports jackets.Also in the sex scene doesn't she go on top. This is very un-Bond. Normally he's the captain.I think as a Bond fan I may feel violated by the next movie.Keep in mind Casino Royale is Bonds first 007 mission and never mind a woman going on top, the latter wiser Bond would never fall in love . Vesper was his mistake, and he learned from it. Now he treats the Bond girls for what they are.Pretty awesome mistake. This makes sense, he just got burned early.So maybe Bond isn't going to doubt his sexuality in the next Bond, tentatively titled Back To The Wall.That Vesper was insanely hot.Yeah when she's riding that horse. I never wanted to be a horse so bad. You know she isn't wearing any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylvesterStallone Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) You're thinking of that other babe, the italian chick who gets killed halfway into the movie. She was the one who was riding the horse...and bond...bad pun I know.... And what is this nonsense I hear about Predator being shit? Predator is a genre classic...possibly the best film of it's kind. Dutch Schaeffer is the most badass Arnold character ever... The only scene in the movie I wish they deleted was the opening with the spaceship flying towards earth.Let's not talk about Predator 2 though. That movie disappointed me nearly as much as Terminator 3. Edited April 22, 2008 by SylvesterStallone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 You're thinking of that other babe, the italian chick who gets killed halfway into the movie. She was the one who was riding the horse...and bond...bad pun I know.... And what is this nonsense I hear about Predator being shit? Predator is a genre classic...possibly the best film of it's kind. The only scene in the movie I wish they deleted was the opening with the spaceship flying towards earth.Dutch Schaeffer is the most badass Arnold character ever...Fuckin' Bond, he gets more pussy than a toilet seat.This movie is on HBO soon, I'll have to make sure to watch it...I remember the card game being really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffrankwhite Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) i cannot stand Bond movies, institution my ass, i havent seen a Bond movie since The Living Daylights, its the most unappealling tripe i could ever imagine...how can you watch this...framework of set pieces repeated ad nauseum since almost half a century now, its just...indicative of whats wrong with cinema at the moment. Sean Connery was the best bond and as good as it gets, they got progressively worser, Roger Moore was pretty good, George Lazenby? hmm, Timothy Dalton had a kind of bent appeal but the whole thing was robbed of any gravity by the fact that i was begging for mercy from the AWFUL repetitiveness of it by that time. never even seen a Brosnan one much less this new walking hard on they got in his place, i'd rather nail my cock to the floor..i dont usually sully my karma with this sort of iredeemable negativity but i just had to say something i can usually find some theory or another to excuse even the most dire piece of shit and i usually do but i just cannot stand this sort of...celebrated mediocrity masquerading as some kind of fucking weird cinematic birthright. Edited April 22, 2008 by ffrankwhite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylvesterStallone Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 "Goldfinger" will always be the classic Bond film but in many ways "Casino Royale" is even better.From Russia With Love?In any case, Casino Royale was a lot better than I expected it to be. Much better than it had any right to be considering the director (Martin Campbell). In particular, the cinematography and fight choreography were awesome. Beautifully shot, paced and edited. Nearly a perfect Bond movie. The only scenes I would have done away with was the overlong action scene with Bond in Miami airport and perhaps shortened the ending action scene... This movie also has the classiest Bond girls since The Spy Who Loved Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I just picked up Stargate - The Ark Of Truth And Robocop II and III. I already had the first one for a few years and saw the other two in the $6.99 bin so thought I should finally complete the trilogy.The Robocop films are a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylvesterStallone Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) The x-rated cut of Robocop is a classic. Robocop 2...I don't remember that well but I don't think I liked it much. I remember it had a kid in it who was a complete asshole to Robocop... Never saw Robocop III though. I remember seeing the ads as a kid when that movie was in theaters, they kept showing Robocop on a jetpack or something....it looked really stupid. I gotta rent that one though along with Conan The Destroyer... Edited April 22, 2008 by SylvesterStallone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becket Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I dont remember the second one either. I seen it so long ago.I dont think I ever seen the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassLikeHot Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) And what is this nonsense I hear about Predator being shit? Predator is a genre classic...possibly the best film of it's kind. Dutch Schaeffer is the most badass Arnold character ever.:krider: features genetically-engineered, flesh-eating sheep. Sheep Zombies. Edited April 22, 2008 by BassLikeHot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridin' the Nightrain Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Let's be fair, Predator was always shit.No way. Predator is one of the most well-made horror/thriller films of all-time. It's not just a cheesy slasher flick in the jungle. The first time you watch it, you're not sure at first whether the film is a POW commando flick or a science fiction movie. Then halfway through they finally bring in the creature and it starts killing them off, but in classic fashion, you don't see anything clearly, which antes up the tension. The cinematography is solid, McTiernan's direction is top notch, Silvestri's score is creepy, and it's one of the few films Arnold's starred in where he hasn't kind of absorbed the whole picture towards himself. He doesn't even have many one-liners.The very end is a bit silly but it's IMO one of the best hybrid action/horror films ever made. People often give it cult status as a big, loud Arnie movie - ignoring the fact that it's probably the most atypical film he ever starred in.Nah, sorry, it's shit. It's too cheesy and just made me cringe through-out. The first scene with Arnie and that black dude is so poorly acted it really sets the tone for the whole film. I like the premise and I think with a better cast and script it could have been good, but as it stands it makes my brain hurt. I like action films but ones with people like Arnie (bar Terminator where, ironcially enough, he has to play an emotionless machine, wonder why he can pull that off?) are just too low down the ladder for me. I'll give you that there are some nice shots and tension, but that doesn't redeem it. To be fair I have an absolute hatred of Arnie though so I realise I'm in the minority of hating it. He's just so awful... I rate him alongside people like Van-Damme. The movie business was worse off with a big pile of walking muscle like that starring in films. I want to see to actors. Just watching him annoys me. Urgh. Edited April 22, 2008 by Ridin' the Nightrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I'll give you that there are some nice shots and tension, but that doesn't redeem it. To be fair I have an absolute hatred of Arnie though so I realise I'm in the minority of hating it. He's just so awful... I rate him alongside people like Van-Damme. The movie business was worse off with a big pile of walking muscle like that starring in films. I want to see to actors. Just watching him annoys me. Urgh.Arnold has something Van Damme never had: charisma.He isn't a great actor by any stretch of imagination, but he's perfect for the type of films he was making. Many of them like "Commando" are horribly outdated, but he made a few genuinely good ones - "Predator," "Total Recall" (one of the best science fiction films/satires ever made IMO), "Terminator" (as well as the first sequel) and "True Lies" is okay (a bit overlong though, like most of Cameron's movies). He has a natural charm that works really well and sets him ahead of the other guys.He's not as good of an actor as Stallone (in the right kind of roles, Stallone can be terrific) but it's not really required for most of the stuff he does.I do think Predator is his best performance though, because it wasn't really intended as an Arnold action movie from the beginning and he set aside much of his on-screen persona of that time to play a pretty quiet, resilient character.I really don't think it's very cheesy at all - especially for an '80s movie - there are a couple scenes that are outdated but for the most part it works really well. And I'm not so sure the screenwriter was a problem - it was written by Shane Black, and that guy's the cleverest action writer out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Van Damme almost played the Predator! The x-rated cut of Robocop is a classic. Robocop 2...I don't remember that well but I don't think I liked it much.Isn't the X rated just a couple more frames of gore? I have the Criteron edition and there doesn't seem to be much of a difference. Robocop 2 is a pretty worthy sequal in my eyes, it was written by the master of comic noir Frank Miller. For a movie Verhoven had no part in, I thought it was great. Edited April 22, 2008 by appetite4illusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridin' the Nightrain Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I'll give you that there are some nice shots and tension, but that doesn't redeem it. To be fair I have an absolute hatred of Arnie though so I realise I'm in the minority of hating it. He's just so awful... I rate him alongside people like Van-Damme. The movie business was worse off with a big pile of walking muscle like that starring in films. I want to see to actors. Just watching him annoys me. Urgh.Arnold has something Van Damme never had: charisma.He isn't a great actor by any stretch of imagination, but he's perfect for the type of films he was making. Many of them like "Commando" are horribly outdated, but he made a few genuinely good ones - "Predator," "Total Recall" (one of the best science fiction films/satires ever made IMO), "Terminator" (as well as the first sequel) and "True Lies" is okay (a bit overlong though, like most of Cameron's movies). He has a natural charm that works really well and sets him ahead of the other guys.It really sucks that Total Recall had Arnie in it because that could have been a cool film otherwise. Not even a chick with three breasts could redeem it for me.I didn't mind True Lies it has to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Don't you even like Terminator 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridin' the Nightrain Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I said in my first post that's the exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I said in my first post that's the exception Oh, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylvesterStallone Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Isn't the X rated just a couple more frames of gore? I have the Criteron edition and there doesn't seem to be much of a difference. Robocop 2 is a pretty worthy sequal in my eyes, it was written by the master of comic noir Frank Miller. For a movie Verhoven had no part in, I thought it was great.Yeah, I think it's about an extra 30 seconds of gore...but it's shot in such an over the top cartoonish way I'm surprised it got the X rating. Even Total Recall, another Verhoeven movie was initially rated X for the same reason (the scenes where arnie escapes by shoving a metal rod through one of the bad guy's head was longer). In Robocop, I believe the extra gore was in Murphy's death scene and the scene where the Ed 209 robot basically shoots the absolute shit out of that corporate douche bag in the highrise building.ER: It's interesting you mention Total Recall because apparently that movie started out as a David Cronenberg movie and Verhoeven significantly altered it for his tastes...I recently rewatched Total Recall and I dunno man, I just felt it didn't hold up as well as it used to. When it first came out, it was just a dazzling futuristic film...but I think it would have been a lot more cerebral and perhaps satisfying with Cronenberg now that I think about it. What was your take on the ending? Was Qaid living out his fantasy as a secret agent and eventually getting a lobotomy (the ending fades to white) or was it a conspiracy and Quaid was in fact a real secret agent? Anyway, Shane Black is bar none the greatest action writer ever. I have a hard bound copy of his scripts for The Last Boyscout and The Long Kiss Goodnight in my bookshelf. It's a shame he renounced the whole genre as soulless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) ER: It's interesting you mention Total Recall because apparently that movie started out as a David Cronenberg movie and Verhoeven significantly altered it for his tastes...It's funny, because I actually think their directorial styles are very similar. Both like excessive violence, mainly for shock value: "The Fly," "Naked Lunch," "Eastern Promises" and "A History of Violence" have some gruesome parts. Likewise, Verhoeven likes big, bloody gunfights. They tend to use excess as a means of satire most of the time, in all their films, and have a very visceral, in-your-face style. Patrick Swayze came really close to filming the project in Arnold's role but production kept getting stalled each time, and eventually he dropped out and that's when it changed directors. I think Arnie's presence ruins the "everyman" aspect the film is intended to have (an average guy who suddenly discovers an alternate past life) and Cronenberg returned to this theme later on with "A History of Violence" to a certain degree, except this time it was the experience of those around the main character rather than the character himself discovering a secret past.What was your take on the ending? Was Qaid living out his fantasy as a secret agent and eventually getting a lobotomy (the ending fades to white) or was it a conspiracy and Quaid was in fact a real secret agent?I think it's one of those things where there's no definitive answer. It's obvious that the white is meant to imply something else is going on; but I don't think it's the sort of "twist" ending where anything is definite. I think it's supposed to just generally raise questions but I don't think you're meant to arrive at a conclusion one way or another, because there isn't enough to go on...Anyway, Shane Black is bar none the greatest action writer ever. I have a hard bound copy of his scripts for The Last Boyscout and The Long Kiss Goodnight in my bookshelf. It's a shame he renounced the whole genre as soulless...Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang is awesome though. I'm hoping a sequel gets made at some point because it's turned into a cult film.He also wrote the original - the best - Lethal Weapon. He's good at buddy action comedies. Edited April 22, 2008 by Estranged Reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 The Running Man is one of my favorite Arnold movies. I like it a lot. Despite what anyone says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I'm glad Shane Black has matured from the mindless action flicks. He did it well but he has more ability then just scripting shoot em ups with big name actors. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang showed he can write some scathingly sharp dialouge.-Look up 'Idiot' in the dictionary, you know what you'll find?-a-a picture of me?-No. The definition of idiot, which you fucking are! -You don't get it do you? This isn't good cop/bad cop, this is fag and New Yorker. -Is she dead?-No, she's just resting her eyes for a minute. Of course she's fucking dead! Her neck's broken! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylvesterStallone Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (edited) Yeah Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is great. Shane hasn't lost his touch with the rapid fire dialogue.... I want to see a sequel badly....I hope we get one...but again it doesn't seem like Shane's style. That and Robert Downey jr. is becoming too big of a star for movies like this...ER: I just saw the ending of Total Recall with verhoeven/arnie commentary (arnie is priceless ), and Verhoeven says that Quaid indeed gets a lobotomy at the end of the movie. The whole thing was a dream...I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest....It would have sucked with Swayze so it's probably best that the movie didn't star him. The guy is literally a plank of wood... Edited April 23, 2008 by SylvesterStallone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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