saber_ Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's not that I'm some anti-Matt-Sorum guy, but damn every time I listen to his drum kit, it sounds like garbage compared to Adler's. If any drummers would like to weigh in, I'd love to know more about tuning snare drums and the differences between Guns' first two drummers. To me, Steven's snare drum sounds tight, crisp, and tuned perfectly. Matt's seems to be tuned differently, and dare I say in a much less aurally pleasing manner. Overall, it seems Steve's kit just sounds better. And although I prefer Steven's drumming style, it is really the timbre of Matt's kit that makes his drumming unappealing. Do you agree? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Didn't Axl have something to do with that? Like, by the time he was done tinkering with all the tracks, the compression made Matt sound like crap. At least, I think I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Didn't Axl have something to do with that? Like, by the time he was done tinkering with all the tracks, the compression made Matt sound like crap. At least, I think I read that.Yes I believe you're right about Axl mentioning it. I can't remember if it was one of the chats or the Del james' interview, or something else. However, I dunno that Axl is solely responsible for it. I seem to remember he just mentioned that the drums sounded a bit mushed on the UYI albums.Also, while Matt's kit sounds better live than on the albums, he's still definitely got a different timbre than Steven's. More midrangey or something. Tuned lower perhaps than Steve's. Steve's kit just sounds more tight overall. The Ritz gig is a perfect example of how sweet Popcorn's drum kit sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanhart408 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Steve's snare is more of higher pitched 80s sound snare where as Matt's is a lower, more fat sounding snare. Also, I believe Matt used a larger snare but im not sure on that. Edited August 24, 2011 by hitmanhart408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collision-tammi Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 depends on the song I think, I personally would love to hear You Could Be Mine from the Appetite sessions... but can't imagine Coma or other songs with Adler's sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31illusions Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (Drumer here) I read in a magazine that matt used over 20 or 30 different snares to record the illusion albums.Adlers drums are more raw and natural sounding, while Matts are tuned to perfection, Sounds like matt is always trying to perfect something instead of finding a good sound and sticking with it. The drumming styles are totally different too. Matt's drums sound good but Steven plays more fluid. I think it comes down to style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Steve is more fun to air-drum to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I love Adler's work in Nightrain and really the vibe of his drumming in all of Appetite is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostie Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Yeah, I think fluid is a great adjective to use regarding Steve's playing. When you listen to Appetite, it's like white water rafting, holding on tigh and saying "oh fuck!", whereas the Illusions just don't have that vibe percussion wise. That said, I love both albums, and if you can't dig Matt's drums, drop a pretty penny on the MoFi remasters like I did. It was like listening to them the proper way for the first time. Well worth it, as in my humble 'pinion that thick shitty tone made those hard to listen to on CD for many years to the point where I've almost chucked them out the car window a few times. Edited September 10, 2011 by Ghostie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I prefer Matt's drumming style TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I know what you mean, that Adler drum kit had a certain sound to it that just adds to the album's awesomeness. Very Boomy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnRDuff1 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Adler's sound was more fitting for the AFD sound. However, if you were to record drums with that sound today, it would sound extremely dated. How do you think Steven's drums sound on Civil War? I personally think they seem just as compressed as Matt's do on the albums. Also, I think Steven adler played like 90% of his fills on the snare drum alone. I like Steven's style more, but Locomotive would not be the same without Matt's intricate parts. When they sent the tapes to different producers to see who would ultimately mix, maybe even master, the album, the guy who sent back a heavily compressed, heavy metal/rock n roll mix got the job. So I suppose that can really be the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I know what you mean, that Adler drum kit had a certain sound to it that just adds to the album's awesomeness. Very BoomyYou can hear it on Civil War compared to the next track 14years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I like Sorum's drumming on Estranged, Coma, Locomotive, YCBM, and a few other tracks that are "darker" - the drums compliment those songs really well IMOI am curious as to how Steven would have sounded playing those songs, because I really do like his drumming more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jboogie Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have to say I love Steve's drum sounds better. More raw & a better fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Didn't Axl have something to do with that? Like, by the time he was done tinkering with all the tracks, the compression made Matt sound like crap. At least, I think I read that.Yes I believe you're right about Axl mentioning it. I can't remember if it was one of the chats or the Del james' interview, or something else. However, I dunno that Axl is solely responsible for it. I seem to remember he just mentioned that the drums sounded a bit mushed on the UYI albums.Also, while Matt's kit sounds better live than on the albums, he's still definitely got a different timbre than Steven's. More midrangey or something. Tuned lower perhaps than Steve's. Steve's kit just sounds more tight overall. The Ritz gig is a perfect example of how sweet Popcorn's drum kit sounded.That's all we need - Axl tinkering with the master tapes. He'd prob. pull a Sharon Osbourne and have the current members re-record it. Most artists aren't happy with how their albums were recorded at the time, they're generally critical about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 As much as I'm not a huge fan of Sorum anyways, I think his actual drum sound has a lot to do with why I don't like his take on Appetite songs. Whenever Velvet Revolver did Easy or Brownstone, Matt sounded WAY better than he did during the Illusions era. That drum kit was too dark sounding. Add that to Matt's precision and you get a very mechanical, boring drum sound. It worked on the album for some songs (the "dark" drum sound suited Estranged and Locomotive, to name two) but generally made the Appetite songs less raw sounding. Steven's drumming, while far from technically perfect, had a swagger that Sorum couldn't quite capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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