auad Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I was thinking. Axl and Corgan (Smashing Pumpkinks) live a similar situation. Lead singer of great bands, struggling to regain its place on the horizon. Each with its proportions, but the situation is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iftheworld Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I was thinking. Axl and Corgan (Smashing Pumpkinks) live a similar situation. Lead singer of great bands, struggling to regain its place on the horizon. Each with its proportions, but the situation is the same.Billy Corgan is a straight up asshole who screwed C.Love. Putting them in the same sentence is blaspheme. Axl is by far better. Don't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I think Corgan has it a little easier because there really wasn't any other member who rivaled him in terms of popularity (Darcy and Chamberlin are well known amongst the fans of the band but in the general public I would argue that Corgan is the real "star") and Corgan was really the mastermind behind the majorty of their output. With GNR you have Slash who in the general public is just as well known as Axl and Axl was not the only mastermind behind the output of GNR from 87-93 (that was a team effort from everyone involved). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 I think Corgan has it a little easier because there really wasn't any other member who rivaled him in terms of popularity (Darcy and Chamberlin are well known amongst the fans of the band but in the general public I would argue that Corgan is the real "star") and Corgan was really the mastermind behind the majorty of their output. With GNR you have Slash who in the general public is just as well known as Axl and Axl was not the only mastermind behind the output of GNR from 87-93 (that was a team effort from everyone involved).real points...i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I think Corgan has it a little easier because there really wasn't any other member who rivaled him in terms of popularity (Darcy and Chamberlin are well known amongst the fans of the band but in the general public I would argue that Corgan is the real "star") and Corgan was really the mastermind behind the majorty of their output. With GNR you have Slash who in the general public is just as well known as Axl and Axl was not the only mastermind behind the output of GNR from 87-93 (that was a team effort from everyone involved).I agree. Its hard to believe now but it always used to be just as much about Slash as Axl. People never had this idea that it was always Axls band because in them days it wasn't. Obviously the way it has turned out it has become just Axl steering the ship but in my opinion that hasnt been as functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Corgan was way more responsible for the success of the Smashing Pumpkins than Axl was for GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARX77 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I don't find it to be an exact comparison, but there are certainly many similarities.Here are some of the differences though. While Corgan was the primary writing force for SP, it was a combo of Axl and Izzy that were the primary writing force for GNR. Some would say that gives Corgan more of a right to continue the band as the sole member of the classic lineup.On the flipside however, SP broke up. They officially ended and everyone went their separate ways. Then later on, Billy decided to restart the band with one additional member of the classic lineup. GNR never broke up. Axl simply continued the band as people came and went. Some would say Axl would have more of a right to continue on since people quit the band as opposed to the whole band agreeing to break up and then one member later on deciding to restart things without the others.Regardless of who is more entitled to continue on with the name of their band, Billy has struggled to re-establish himself as a touring force much more so than Axl has. This can be easily attributable to the fact that Axl makes it a priority to make sure the band continues to play their most well known songs while Billy goes out of his way to avoid playing most of SP's most well known songs.I couldnt agree more... I was never a SP fans but have several friends that are/ were... I remember them complaining that the classics were not played. I want to say this was around 2006 or so SP was playing up in the NE possibly NY and my friend bought a ton of Tix thinking it would be sold out event and he would make a lot of cash selling tix on stubhub. needless-to-say he lost his ass and his wife was pissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Corgan not only wrote the bulk of Smashing Pumpkins material but even played most of the other band members parts in the studio(sans drums) simply because it was faster that way. Not a good comparison I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 MSL -I would agree with you, but Axl himself said there was a break-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Young Gun - It's not a perfect comparison, but it's a better comparison than most. Axl and Billy are two guys trying to push forward with new music and new members and both are dealing with a lot of negative shit because of it. There are enough similarities for it to be interesting to think about IMO. There are obviously differences as well.I personally think Billy was more in the right with carrying on with the Smashing Pumpkins name, given that he was responsible for the bulk of the writing. He did actually reach out to the original members but they declined to be part of the reunion at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Ahh it was in one of the chats where he referred to it as a break-up, I gotta find it now. Funny thing is, I was arguing the same point you are and then someone showed me the chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Not sure about this cuz I'm not a big Corgan and I have no idea of what happened to his band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I agree but I'm just going off of what Axl referred to it as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 MSL-http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=133371&st=0"But when the reality of the breakup hit..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneisKing1389 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) It's funny because both Chinese Democracy and Zeitgeist are great albums, but they're both either looked down upon or entirely ignored. Zeitgeist was the best Pumpkins album since what, like 1993? It could've been Mellon Collie if it wasn't full of so many mediocre-at-best songs. Edited March 28, 2012 by DaneisKing1389 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I agree. I just thought he meant the breakup of the band, which is what confused me. But now I get it. The breakup of Slash and himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRose14 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I agree. I just thought he meant the breakup of the band, which is what confused me. But now I get it. The breakup of Slash and himself.Which was Guns N Roses really.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Hand Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yea, that's all he had.......a hat.Not any talent or stage presence or ear for a melody. O, ok.Com on man. You gots to give Slash his props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Hand Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 O, ok so it's the hat.In no way is it the quality of the music he makes with his instrument, what he brought to a song, or The way he could take over a recording with his Breaks. Hell I'm gonna go buy a tophat and rip up the music industry.lolAnd why isn't Ashba as famous as slash? He is Axl's wingman, tophat, plays same licks, same band. Etc. Yes, that line of thinking is rediculi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Well, 1 big difference is "Oceania" is coming out in a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 im sure there's a slash's snakepit forum somewhereImagine how dead that place is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 O, ok so it's the hat.In no way is it the quality of the music he makes with his instrument, what he brought to a song, or The way he could take over a recording with his Breaks. Hell I'm gonna go buy a tophat and rip up the music industry.lolAnd why isn't Ashba as famous as slash? He is Axl's wingman, tophat, plays same licks, same band. Etc. Yes, that line of thinking is rediculi.I'm having a Dilemma now,Guess this guy is a Poser too? Makes me Gently Weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I was thinking. Axl and Corgan (Smashing Pumpkinks) live a similar situation. Lead singer of great bands, struggling to regain its place on the horizon. Each with its proportions, but the situation is the same.Billy Corgan is a straight up asshole who screwed C.Love. Putting them in the same sentence is blaspheme. Axl is by far better. Don't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Corgan not only wrote the bulk of Smashing Pumpkins material but even played most of the other band members parts in the studio(sans drums) simply because it was faster that way. Not a good comparison I don't think.yes. it is a good comparison, for sure.Young Gun - It's not a perfect comparison, but it's a better comparison than most. Axl and Billy are two guys trying to push forward with new music and new members and both are dealing with a lot of negative shit because of it. There are enough similarities for it to be interesting to think about IMO. There are obviously differences as well.this. Edited March 28, 2012 by auad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble's Bridge Pickup Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Another difference is that Corgan actively does things. Like he discusses the music industry, does interviews, releases free new Smashing Pumpkins EP's, etc. Still he doesn't play the old hits because he wants people to understand the new stuff, unlike Axl, who has mostly played the biggest hits for the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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