Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 If Axl says "jump like a bunny" to the band as a whole, and any of the members feel they have to do it for fear of being fired, that does not = a band.But how does this relate to realities? Because that is reality, no matter how much Jarmo or cupcakes like you try to spin it.They are hired hands masquerading as a band.They write songs for GN'R, they record songs for GN'R and they perform songs for GN'R...They are band members in GN'R.They write songs...when Axl wants.They record songs...when Axl wants.They perform songs...when Axl wants.In a real band, if 7 out of 8 members wanted to record new material, it would happen.In this "band", 1 person out of 8 with absolute control dictates the entire operation and can prevent recording from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusSongwriting one-hit wonder, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusSongwriting one-hit wonder, yes.at least he's written a guns n roses song. how many songs have DJ or ron written? oh yeah. that's right. 0, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 They write songs...when Axl wants.No, they write all the time. Some songs might be chosen to end up as GN'R songs, some not. Axl probably has the final say here, like many strong frontmen in bands tend to do. Nothing dramatic in that. Mick Jagger probably has the ability to veto any songs for Rolling Stones, too. We also know that Axl is open for suggestions here and might even be swayed by other band members when it comes to album songs (i.e. This I Love).They record songs...when Axl wants.Uhm, is there anything dramatic about a band only recording new music when all band members agree? The fact that Axl must be onboard doesn't make the band less of a band. Do you think Rolling Stones would record new music meant for a RS album without Mick Jagger's consent?They perform songs...when Axl wants.Again, how can the band perform Guns N' Roses without the de facto frontman? And how can a band demand to go on tour without having this frontman agreeing? It's absurd.In this "band", 1 person out of 8 with absolute control dictates the entire operation and can prevent recording from happening.Yep, and again, it is not uncommon for a band to have one or more members with the ability to veto any decision, with this absolute control. Is Rolling Stones less of a band because Mick Jagger can control everything by refusing to let it happen? No, it isn't. You seem to belong to the naive group of people who thinks a band should consist of people with equal power and standing. It rarely is like that. Guns N' Roses is just an extreme example of a band with a strong, powerful frontman. But we have plenty of evidence of the composing being a team effort and that every band member is invited to bring his skills and abilities in and let it influence the final product -- just like we expect from a band.What I find disconcerting is more the fact that the rest of the band appears to be completely ignorant in regards to future plans, signalling that many strategic decisions are taken without them being consulted. Hopefully I am wrong, but so far it doesn't look like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokes Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 If Axl says "jump like a bunny" to the band as a whole, and any of the members feel they have to do it for fear of being fired, that does not = a band.But how does this relate to realities? Because that is reality, no matter how much Jarmo or cupcakes like you try to spin it.They are hired hands masquerading as a band.They write songs for GN'R, they record songs for GN'R and they perform songs for GN'R...They are band members in GN'R.They write songs...when Axl wants.They record songs...when Axl wants.They perform songs...when Axl wants.In a real band, if 7 out of 8 members wanted to record new material, it would happen.In this "band", 1 person out of 8 with absolute control dictates the entire operation and can prevent recording from happening.Isn't that how classic GnR generally worked? Or was slash lying when he accused axl of being a dictator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 They write songs...when Axl wants.No, they write all the time. Some songs might be chosen to end up as GN'R songs, some not. Axl probably has the final say here, like many strong frontmen in bands tend to do. Nothing dramatic in that. Mick Jagger probably has the ability to veto any songs for Rolling Stones, too. We also know that Axl is open for suggestions here and might even be swayed by other band members when it comes to album songs (i.e. This I Love).They record songs...when Axl wants.Uhm, is there anything dramatic about a band only recording new music when all band members agree? The fact that Axl must be onboard doesn't make the band less of a band. Do you think Rolling Stones would record new music meant for a RS album without Mick Jagger's consent?They perform songs...when Axl wants.Again, how can the band perform Guns N' Roses without the de facto frontman? And how can a band demand to go on tour without having this frontman agreeing? It's absurd.In this "band", 1 person out of 8 with absolute control dictates the entire operation and can prevent recording from happening.Yep, and again, it is not uncommon for a band to have one or more members with the ability to veto any decision, with this absolute control. Is Rolling Stones less of a band because Mick Jagger can control everything by refusing to let it happen? No, it isn't. You seem to belong to the naive group of people who thinks a band should consist of people with equal power and standing. It rarely is like that. Guns N' Roses is just an extreme example of a band with a strong, powerful frontman. But we have plenty of evidence of the composing being a team effort and that every band member is invited to bring his skills and abilities in and let it influence the final product -- just like we expect from a band.What I find disconcerting is more the fact that the rest of the band appears to be completely ignorant in regards to future plans, signalling that many strategic decisions are taken without them being consulted. Hopefully I am wrong, but so far it doesn't look like that.what a shitty answer. everybody knows axl is the owner of the band and the guys will do what axl tells them to do. your excuses were just trying to make gnr look more like a normal band when band members and axl himself will admit it's not a normal band. good effort and good use of words, but you just gave a terrible answer. one things is to have a diva as frontman, the other is others members of the band having to do solo projects to get some of their music released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imaginationif they weren't epic hits...neither dj or ron would be playing them live on this current tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imaginationif they weren't epic hits...neither dj or ron would be playing them live on this current tourSerious question.......do you say stuff like this, and all your other over-the-top Robin praise as a joke - or just to add some humor to the forum? Or are you really serious? Are you trying to make people laugh - or do you really believe all the things you say about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imaginationif they weren't epic hits...neither dj or ron would be playing them live on this current tourSerious question.......do you say stuff like this, and all your other over-the-top Robin praise as a joke - or just to add some humor to the forum? Or are you really serious? Are you trying to make people laugh - or do you really believe all the things you say about him?of course i'm serious. if robin songs like SOD and TIL were trash....DJ Ashba wouldn't cover them live on guns n roses world tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmapelian Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imaginationif they weren't epic hits...neither dj or ron would be playing them live on this current tourSerious question.......do you say stuff like this, and all your other over-the-top Robin praise as a joke - or just to add some humor to the forum? Or are you really serious? Are you trying to make people laugh - or do you really believe all the things you say about him?of course i'm serious. if robin songs like SOD and TIL were trash....DJ Ashba wouldn't cover them live on guns n roses world tourswhat else would he play on GnR tours? Sixx AM songs? get a grip of your fantasies Ashba also plays WTTJ, SCOM, Nighttrain, PC, Etc etc etc, and the songs mentioned by the original band sure get a hell of alot more enthusiasm during live shows than anything robin ever played lead on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.one hit wonder? robin's the lead guitar player on TIL, SOD, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Madagascar, and Betterone hit wonder? more like a 7 EPIC hit-makin' geniusNot exactly epic hits by any stretch of the imaginationif they weren't epic hits...neither dj or ron would be playing them live on this current tourSerious question.......do you say stuff like this, and all your other over-the-top Robin praise as a joke - or just to add some humor to the forum? Or are you really serious? Are you trying to make people laugh - or do you really believe all the things you say about him?of course i'm serious. if robin songs like SOD and TIL were trash....DJ Ashba wouldn't cover them live on guns n roses world tourswhat else would he play on GnR tours? Sixx AM songs? get a grip of your fantasies Ashba also plays WTTJ, SCOM, Nighttrain, PC, Etc etc etc, and the songs mentioned by the original band sure get a hell of alot more enthusiasm during live shows than anything robin ever played lead onwhat else DJ would play is the 12 songs DJ says he's written 4 axl rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker.4 a dark rocker you need written lyrics Edited July 21, 2012 by finck6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.Before you make an allegation, you might want to check your facts. If you did, you'd find that the credits on CD are wrong, Robin actually has SEVEN credits on the album according to ASCAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble's Bridge Pickup Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 What's with the Robin love? The guy sucks.The guy's alright. But that's all he is. Been in two different HUGE NAME rock bands for over 18 years and has ONE songwriting credit released. Good song but ONE song. That's like being a one-hit wonder.Before you make an allegation, you might want to check your facts. If you did, you'd find that the credits on CD are wrong, Robin actually has SEVEN credits on the album according to ASCAP.True, and he's written more with GN'R, and he contributed to the 2008 NIN album The Slip - although what exactly he did do is unclear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker.4 a dark rocker you need written lyricsWatch Shame then scrawl down some words on the tube to the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker.4 a dark rocker you need written lyricsWatch Shame then scrawl down some words on the tube to the studio.dj hasn't written lyrics yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker.4 a dark rocker you need written lyricsWatch Shame then scrawl down some words on the tube to the studio.dj hasn't written lyrics yetThat's Axls job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I expect the new Dj and Axl song to be a heavy dark rocker.4 a dark rocker you need written lyricsWatch Shame then scrawl down some words on the tube to the studio.dj hasn't written lyrics yetThat's Axls job?axl writes guns n roses songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay410 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No one wants to hear a DJ Ashba Bumblefoot gn'r album. That's not even a discredit to them, we want to hear the rest of the Buckethead Robin Finck album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No one wants to hear a DJ Ashba Bumblefoot gn'r album. That's not even a discredit to them, we want to hear the rest of the Buckethead Robin Finck album.exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGS Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No one wants to hear a DJ Ashba Bumblefoot gn'r album. That's not even a discredit to them, we want to hear the rest of the Buckethead Robin Finck album.exactlyNot, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No one wants to hear a DJ Ashba Bumblefoot gn'r album. That's not even a discredit to them, we want to hear the rest of the Buckethead Robin Finck album.exactlyNot, imo.Actually, few people outside the hardcore fan base care if GnR releases an album at all by this point Most don't even know who Finck, DJ, Ron or Buckethead are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 No one wants to hear a DJ Ashba Bumblefoot gn'r album. That's not even a discredit to them, we want to hear the rest of the Buckethead Robin Finck album.exactlyNot, imo.Actually, few people outside the hardcore fan base care if GnR releases an album at all by this point Most don't even know who Finck, DJ, Ron or Buckethead are most don't know who dj or ron r. they're currently on a guns n roses tour around the globe with axl rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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