James Bond Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 I like Spy a lot but I can see where you're coming from. It both cements Roger's portrayal yet at the same time plays it safe. It's basically the plot of YOLT rehashed but it's a lot of fun.I agree about Stromberg though. Perhaps the most boring, non-threatening villain in the entire franchise. He lacks any passion for his plans and looks like he's going to fall asleep the whole film.I like his death scene though. One of those turning points for Roger's Bond - he just keeps shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 The Spy Who Loved Me was YOLT done right. I think they had Stromburg randomly kill people just so we can see how bad he is. Though I never understood his plot no matter how many time I go over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 He wanted to live in a pineapple under the sea.The general plot was recycled again for Tomorrow Never Dies, they just replace spacecraft and submarines with fleet ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 On to Moonraker now. This might be my least favorite title sequence of the whole series. It's a mediocre song, and visually boring.You know, after watching Moonraker again...it really isn't that bad a premise, it was just poorly executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 He wanted to live in a pineapple under the sea.The general plot was recycled again for Tomorrow Never Dies, they just replace spacecraft and submarines with fleet ships.They were clearly running out of ideas then. Purvis and Wade attempted to bring in something new to the series but John Logan smoked their asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 Those poor guys can't catch a break - you're blaming Purvis and Wade for a film they didn't even write. Tomorrow Never Dies was written by Bruce Feirstein. I agree with you P5 - Moonraker is a lot of fun for what it is. Roger is as good as he was in Spy, and it complements Spy very well. Come to think of it, Moonraker more or less reuses that same plot we're talking about as well - except now the villain wants to build the new world in space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Oh I know they didn't wrote TMD, if they did it would have been a better film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 Re-reading what you wrote I see what you meant. I initially read it as Purvis and Wade didn't have any new ideas but I see you said they tried out new ideas.Die Another Day not withstanding, they have a solid track record for Bond. The World Is Not Enough had maybe too many ideas going on which is the biggest fault of the film, but I can kind of forgive that because it was their first Bond. It is a decent story, just awkwardly told with the clashing styles of direction between the second and first units, and the shoehorned action.I don't think they deserve all the blame for Die Another Day. I blame Tamahori for the awful and overuse of CGI.They delivered big time with Casino Royale and Skyfall. Sure they had some help from Haggis and Logan for polishes but the bulk of the ideas came from them. Can't blame them for Quantum either because legally they weren't allowed to submit a final draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Not easy to draw the line between director and writer in any film but Tamahori was the one who really screwed up Die Another Day. It is one of the few Bond films when you can really feel a director's presence. You certainly can with Marc Forster and Sam Mendes. Mendes seems to have a lot more respect than Forster. If he does more films he could be right up there with Gilbert, Hamilton, Glen and Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 For Your Eyes Only may be my least favorite of the Moore films. Just totally forgetabble. I'm on Octopussy now which I've always enjoyed, and A View To A Kill is another "so bad it's good" a la Moonraker. Best to worst Moore films IMO:Live And Let DieThe Man With The Golden GunOctopussyThe Spy Who Loved MeMoonrakerA View To A KillFor Your Eyes Only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Nice list, I agree for the most part but I do not think For Your Eyes Only was that terrible. Worse score in the series by far. Also dude in a speedo. Did not stand the test of time.One scene I always forget about was Pierce's first wife. I am like "Is this new?" everytime. I mostly remember the film for the rock climbing and Bond breaking the killing unarmed men rules.Can you rank the Connery and Brosnan's?Watched Skyfall again. Great as I remembered. I should watch CR and QoS again and see what is better. We all know Skyfall is headed to overrated territory.The thing is, Casino Royale and QoS is basically Bond's early years as a 00. Skyfall is the first true Bond film where he can now be compared to Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. It is implied that he has been 00 for quite a long time. Edited February 16, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 For Your Eyes Only is the only Moore which sticks close(ish) to Fleming. Probably my favourite Moore.Is the hype of skyfall beginning to grate there, Zhukov? I tend to shy away from things that are hyped - it is a quirk of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well it is the highest grossing Bond film of all time. Even adjusted for inflation. Though in the US it is not even close to Goldfinger and Thunderball inflationwise.I already see people comparing it to Casino Royale. Fans do like origin stories.Is Daniel Craig a good adaptatin of the Fleming character?For Your Eyes Only was one of the return to Fleming films. It was always a fine line between Fleming and Salztman extraveganza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Nice list, I agree for the most part but I do not think For Your Eyes Only was that terrible. Worse score in the series by far. Also dude in a speedo. Did not stand the test of time.One scene I always forget about was Pierce's first wife. I am like "Is this new?" everytime. I mostly remember the film for the rock climbing and Bond breaking the killing unarmed men rules.Can you rank the Connery and Brosnan's?Watched Skyfall again. Great as I remembered. I should watch CR and QoS again and see what is better. We all know Skyfall is headed to overrated territory.The thing is, Casino Royale and QoS is basically Bond's early years as a 00. Skyfall is the first true Bond film where he can now be compared to Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. It is implied that he has been 00 for quite a long time.Connery:From Russia With LoveThunderballGoldfingerDr. NoYou Only Live TwiceDiamonds Are ForeverOn that list, Thunderball and Goldfinger are really interchangeable. But FRWL is by and far my favorite Connery film, and third favorite overall, behind Skyfall and Casino Royale respectively.Brosnan:GoldeneyeThe World Is Not EnoughTomorrow Never DiesDie Another DayI'll admit, the only Brosnan film I've seen more than once is Goldeneye, but it's the only one I ever really had a desire to watch a second time. That said, I am sort of looking forward to having to watch the Brosnan films again, just to see if I dislike them as much as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Watching the Brosnan films were a bit depressing. He tried so hard but none of them delivered. Connery's last two EON films were phoned in but they were still better than his films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 And my current best to worst list now that I've watched nearly everything recently - keep in mind that still having only seen the last 3 Brosnan films once, they may not be quite accurately placed (Except Die Another Day...I'm positive that is my least favorite Bond film):1. Skyfall2. Casino Royale3. From Russia With Love4. Thunderball5. Goldfinger6. On Her Majesty's Secret Service7. The Living Daylights8. Quantum Of Solace9. Live And Let Die10. Dr. No11. Goldeneye12. The Man With The Golden Gun13. Octopussy14. Licence To Kill15. You Only Live Twice16. The Spy Who Loved Me17. Moonraker18. The World Is Not Enough19. A View To A Kill20. Diamonds Are Forever21. For Your Eyes Only22. Tomorrow Never Dies23. Die Another DayWatching the Brosnan films were a bit depressing. He tried so hard but none of them delivered. Connery's last two EON films were phoned in but they were still better than his films.Are you on board with my Connery/Brosnan rankings then? And definitely agreed...I've never really been bothered by Connery's performances in YOLT and DAF, but they were definitely the real beginning of the cheese factor in Bond. I always loved the cold open of Diamonds Are Forever though - probably one of my favorite cold opens of the whole series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yeah, he just fucks shit up and you feel this was going to be a great Bond film, until you meet Blofeld. It was all downhill from there. Similar to Die Another Day. Great opening and it all goes down hill from there.Yeah, totally on board. From Russia with Love is probably my second favorite after Skyfall.1. Skyfall2. From Russia with Love3. Casino Royale4. Thunderball5. Goldfinger6. The Living Daylights7. Licence to KillThe rest I can't rank. I feel it is time to watch all the movies again. My reasons to put Thunderball over Goldfinger is that I felt it was the magnum opus of the Connery films. Plus Claudine Auger is my favorite Bond girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yeah, he just fucks shit up and you feel this was going to be a great Bond film, until you meet Blofeld. It was all downhill from there. Similar to Die Another Day. Great opening and it all goes down hill from there.Yeah, totally on board. From Russia with Love is probably my second favorite after Skyfall.1. Skyfall2. From Russia with Love3. Casino Royale4. Thunderball5. Goldfinger6. The Living Daylights7. Licence to KillThe rest I can't rank. I feel it is time to watch all the movies again. My reasons to put Thunderball over Goldfinger is that I felt it was the magnum opus of the Connery films. Plus Claudine Auger is my favorite Bond girl.Truth. Absolutely the hottest Connery-era girl IMO.I went back to re-read the beginning of this thread to re-read some of our older posts...some of our views have really shifted. In the first few pages everyone was slagging off the cold open in DAF, and now we're talking about how its the best part of the movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'm not a big fan of the editing of that opening...it's just really...weird? (I can't think of a better word to describe it)Although I'm pretty sure you can see that girls' boobs for a sec when Connery rips her top off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Opinions often change, especially when it comes to Bond films.Yeah, you could see her nipple for a brief second. During Bond's rage all you can think of he's avenging Tracy but the rest of the film went as if she never existed.I am not sure who's hotter, Eva Green or Berenice Marlohe. Edited February 16, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Eva FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well it is the highest grossing Bond film of all time. Even adjusted for inflation. Though in the US it is not even close to Goldfinger and Thunderball inflationwise.I already see people comparing it to Casino Royale. Fans do like origin stories.Is Daniel Craig a good adaptatin of the Fleming character?For Your Eyes Only was one of the return to Fleming films. It was always a fine line between Fleming and Salztman extraveganza.He is the second closest Bond to Fleming's after Dalton. Dalton plays Bond, pretty much how he is in the books, except, the human conflict (doubts, ethics) going on inside Bond's head is not depicted as much. This is obviously much easier to depict on the page than the screen. Craig, unlike Dalton, does manage to depict some of this drama, except he makes Bond intense - almost mentally unhinged. In terms of fidelity, Dalton and Craig are the only two names worth mentioning. Perhaps Lazenby also (it helped that he was acting in the most faithful adaptation of the series by far). Connery and Moore are rather, unlike Fleming's Bond - for although Connery is still my favourite Bond actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Watched AVTAK this morning. Thank god I'm done with the Moore films. Living Daylights and License To Kill tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 The Living Daylights is a nice breath of fresh air after A View To A Kill. I agree with your earlier post about For Your Eyes Only not being that great of a film. Even though it's Moore's most down to earth which is what it gets praised for most, I just find it very forgettable. I actually love Conti's score though - so ridiculously cheesy and dated but in a fun way. You've got to love the cowbell in his gun barrel cue.I'm not a big fan of the editing of that opening...it's just really...weird? (I can't think of a better word to describe it)Although I'm pretty sure you can see that girls' boobs for a sec when Connery rips her top off.I've got a better word to describe the editing - shit. "Cai... Cai... Cairo!" is the epitome of bad editing. They didn't even try to match that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 For Your Eyes Only is Moore redeeming film. It proves he was a great Bond. The film wasn't that great but he was awesome.I think the latest Die Hard movie proves why James Bond has lasted so long. They stook to the forumla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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