Beta Hate

[2x4]

So, I've noticed a lot of negativity towards Beta over the past few months. Some of it has been pretty over-the-top to the point of disgraceful.

I would like to know why exactly do a bunch of you feel the need to be so disrespectful and rude towards Beta. What has she done to spark such a negative reaction from some board members?

I do understand the shit is coming mostly from the "reunionists" so I get it to a certain degree.

[magisme]

[Jeez]

Personally, I think Axl needs a proper manager (or management, that is). Someone who actually knows what they're doing. It seems to me that Beta and the team are a bunch of yes men. But I dont blame her as this is clearly what Axl wanted already in the 90s.

Im sure she has done a lot for Axl on a personal level, though.

[axlsalinger]

I kind of agree with this, there is no reason for people to be so rude and disrespectful. Axl's a big boy, he should be capable of making his own decisions by now. It's fair to question the job Beta has done as manager, as personal assistant, even her influence on Axl but the personal insults are unnecessary and reflect more on the posters who make them than anything else, imo.

Particularly ridiculous are the jabs towards a job she had in 1992 ... as if that's relevant to what a person is doing in 2013. I can see where someone might make a connection like that ... if they are 12 with an IQ under 75.

[PerthGNR]

I think its all quite simple.

A brand the magnitude of Gn'R deserves a proper management team, not a group of beggars and hangers on with their own agendas fumbling their way through the dark to the detriment of everyone else.

[Jeez]

I kind of agree with this, there is no reason for people to be so rude and disrespectful. Axl's a big boy, he should be capable of making his own decisions by now. It's fair to question the job Beta has done as manager, as personal assistant, even her influence on Axl but the personal insults are unnecessary and reflect more on the posters who make them than anything else, imo.

Particularly ridiculous are the jabs towards a job she had in 1992 ... as if that's relevant to what a person is doing in 2013. I can see where someone might make a connection like that ... if they are 12 with an IQ under 75.

Excellent post. I agree with every word.

[Randy Lahey]

People on here seem to believe that Beta has some sort of mind control over Axl, which isn't true at all, in my opinion. I found her to be a very nice person when I met her. She really went out of her way to introduce me to Axl. If she didn't give a fuck about the fans, somebody like myself would have never in a million years gotten to meet Axl.

I believe Axl is a very sensitive person and Beta goes out of her way to try and shield him from all the negativity on these boards. We do take things too far on here sometimes. And I am just as guilty as anyone else of s-h-i-t disturbing.

Edited July 22, 2013 by Randy Lahey

[Nosaj Thing]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

[2x4]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

[Russel Nash]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

This clown reminds me to the Peruvian Nazi guy.

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

Nooo, he is a genius. Women = Cleaning toilets/Kitchen, if she's old, to change dippers or hand wash foots on a casino. I'm pretty sure that to be a manager you need to be born under the right alinement of stars.

[Sisyphus]

I have nothing against Beta personally or her family for that matter.

I simply believe she has no business whatsoever messing with Guns N' Roses and I think it is highly inappropriate that this family is more influental than any other member beside Axl. The attitude of the whole family is obnoxious, as if they were entitled to this position. It's just a no go.

Axl would never let anyone, not even from the old band, to bring their wifes, girlfriends or family members to the inner circle of GN'R while he is singing happy birthday on stage to some Brazilian woman he calls family. The most dangerous band in the world... anyone?

[GnRFL]

I dont see how she's done a worse job than Merck, Azoff, etc. GNR has been pretty active under her and they dont have the turnover of managers as they did previously.

Only thing we don't have is new music and that may or may not be something Beta has influence on. Most important thing is how the band feels about her.

So I don't get the negative attitude toward her.

Edited July 22, 2013 by GnRFL

[magisme]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

He didn't say someone couldn't start off that way. He said she was better at it, which, unless she was godawful at cleaning toilets, is most definitely true.

[dalsh327]

She was a nanny turned personal assistant, and she gained experience by being at all the shows and business meetings, interacting with record companies and lawyers, meeting other people who managed bands and ran record labels. She had also been an executive assistant but maybe her English writing skills weren't so great where she could walk into an American office and be an exec assistant.

I mean, what would any of you do being his personal assistant? Think you could handle him?

[spgunner]

It’s so easy to point fingers.

It’s so easy to find lunatic answers to questions that maybe even those involved may not know how to give a proper reply because it’s simple not so easy.

Axl has spoke many times about how hard it was to accomplish Chinese Democracy and about all the many many issues that made it take so long to be released.

Not even God knows why there’s no new music around. Maybe it’s because of the same issues that delayed CD. Maybe it’s just because it’s not the right time yet. Or could it be because of one million different reasons. We don’t know. So, nevermind.

So many bands take forever to release a new album. We got our new album. It’s been only 5 years since its release. I still enjoy it as I enjoyed back in the day because it’s so good. Of course I wanna see videos for it, I wanna see the proper booklet, I wanna see the remixes, the same way I dream of hearing the re recorded appetite from 1999 and yes I want new music just like everybody else. BUT there’s no reason to demand something like this. Art is not Wallmart. You can’t ask for new music the same way you ask for Diet coke at the market when they’re out of it. Doesn’t matter the reasons why there’s no new record around, we need to respect and there’s no reason to put pressure on the band or on their crew. When it’s time, it’s time. Meanwhile, enjoy what we have or go away.

People who complain about shows being exactly the same are probably the same people who are everyday on the internet, with nothing to do. Ok, the shows might be quite similar but to those who go to the shows, it’s a unique experience. If I could I would go to 50 shows (and even though the setlist would be more or less the same), I would enjoy every second of every gig. But this is just me. Of course I would love to see more Chinese Democracy songs being played live but this is not my band. This is up to Axl and the boys to play wherever they want/like. If you’re not happy, don’t stick around. But it’s not fair to complain and bitch to them. Am I tired of the paintings of a specific artist? I won’t complain, I just leave. So you have a choice. Stay or leave.

We all know Beta has done more for this band that most people around, ever. It’s so low and ridiculous to say that she and the Lebeis can’t do their job. First: we have no idea about the issues they face in Guns (we can only imagine the terror if you think about all the issues that delayed CD). Second: who the hell do you (you all that criticize) think you are to judge someone? It’s soooo easy to judge other people. We, humans, tend to do it. It’s so easy to judge everyone out there. But from 100 people you judge everyday, do you think you’re right as regards at least how many? 1, 2, maybe? It’s so easy to judge when you’re not inside the scene, when you’re no the target. Third: Many people hate Beta, Fernando and Vanessa because they wanted to be in their shoes – this is what I call envy.

We should be thankful Axl has people around him who really cares about him, which is something SO rare inside this business – and out of this business as well.

Thank you Axl for this amazing record! And thanks to Beta, Fernando, Del and everybody else who make this band alive !! Which isn’t a easy thing to do.

GNRLIFE!

[magisme]

I think the GNR camp is setting up accounts and posting now.

[Randy Jesus]

Not any normal person can manage the most Dangerous Band in the World, it takes the Worlds most Dangerous House Maid in the World. They need someone to clean up the mess. Just Kidding.

[Russel Nash]

I think the GNR camp is setting up accounts and posting now.

Na, you and your buddy can try all you want but you'll never have the attention of the camp.

[Cosmo]

Thank you Axl for this amazing record! And thanks to Beta, Fernando, Del and everybody else who make this band alive !! Which isn’t a easy thing to do.

LOOOLL

You mean... "Thank you Axl for hijacking the GnR name, for driving everyone away, for using it as it fits your bank account needs and for releasing ONE album in two decades! Thank you so much, man! Thanks Beta and Fernando for making damn sure Axl gets whatever he wants! After all, what is GnR all about again? Oh yeah! Money! Touring makes money, right? Not albums! Best management EVER! Fuck the fans! ESPECIALLY the ones that have supported you for decades instead of just remembering you exist when you come to their town! Fuck 'em! Their money isn't special anyways!"

[Nosaj Thing]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

He didn't say someone couldn't start off that way. He said she was better at it, which, unless she was godawful at cleaning toilets, is most definitely true.

Thanks for explaining that on my behalf.

[Russel Nash]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

He didn't say someone couldn't start off that way. He said she was better at it, which, unless she was godawful at cleaning toilets, is most definitely true.

Thanks for explaining that on my behalf.

awwwww

[Cosmo]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

He didn't say someone couldn't start off that way. He said she was better at it, which, unless she was godawful at cleaning toilets, is most definitely true.

Thanks for explaining that on my behalf.

Dude, she'd have to SUCK at cleaning toilets. She'd have to use Axl's toothbrush or something.

[Nosaj Thing]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

This clown reminds me to the Peruvian Nazi guy.

lol Argentina

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

Nooo, he is a genius. Women = Cleaning toilets/Kitchen, if she's old, to change dippers or hand wash foots on a casino. I'm pretty sure that to be a manager you need to be born under the right alinement of stars.

Why would you say that? When did I say that women should clean toilets or be at the kitchen? Can you please point that out? Oh wait, you're too idiotic to give me an answer.

[Russel Nash]

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

This clown reminds me to the Peruvian Nazi guy.

lol Argentina

Like I've said before, Beta was better at cleaning toilets than managing a band. Not that hard to see or understand.

What a stupid thing to say. Many successful people have started off as cleaners. Unless you're born into money everyone starts at the bottom.

Nooo, he is a genius. Women = Cleaning toilets/Kitchen, if she's old, to change dippers or hand wash foots on a casino. I'm pretty sure that to be a manager you need to be born under the right alinement of stars.

Why would you say that? When did I say that women should clean toilets or be at the kitchen? Can you please point that out? Oh wait, you're too idiotic to give me an answer.

Clearly you are on drugs, there's no way you with your superbrain come up with this shit. Cold shower, cup of coffee, maybe some lemon, then read again.

[Nosaj Thing]

Clearly you are on drugs, there's no way you with your superbrain come up with this shit. Cold shower, cup of coffee, maybe some lemon, then read again.

Come up with...? You made a claim that you couldn't or wouldn't back up. Sorry if I called you out on your bullshit.

By saying that I'm clearly on drugs you're basically exposing yourself as dumb but hey, in Argentina, that must be a compliment.