The Breaking Bad Finale Discussion Thread [SPOILERS WITHIN - UP TO FINALE]

[Gia]

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

[luciusfunk]

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

I didn't want Hank to die.

[Forsaken]

I didn't want him to die, either. But it was inevitable at that point.

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

Sorry for your loss, btw.

[Powerage5]

I don't even like Hank and I'm sad he's dead

[arnold layne]

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

We got it the first time woman.

[Gia]

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

We got it the first time woman.

Would you kill me the same way just for being a woman

[Ace Nova]

I think what may have converted even the non Hank fans (to feeling bad about him dying) was the line, "You're the smartest guy I know...."....it showed Hank talking to Walt as his brother in law again and with emotion....something we rarely saw out of him....

Edited September 17, 2013 by Kasanova King

[Coma16]

Am I the only one who wants Walt to get away with everything? I mean, fuck everybody for walking all over him his whole life. Hank included!

[arnold layne]

FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANK!

We got it the first time woman.

Would you kill me the same way just for being a woman

Uhhh...no?

[sweetness]

The saddest part about Hank's death was Walt Jr.'s reaction, I even felt for Marie and she's like my least favorite character

[Rdeyahlxp]

Perhaps one of the Nazi's will acidentally kill Jesse or he will kill himself, which is why they would want Walt to cook again and draw him out of hiding by kidnapping his family.

[Dazey]

Walt made that phone call to specifically get the DEA off of Skylar and his family as much as possible because Walt is now changing identities. Just pay attention to the language he uses, why do you think he kidnapped Holly? To guarantee the police at the house when the call was made.

An interesting take on it but I don't think that was the reason for taking the baby. He already knew that the police would be there because he was in the house when Walt Jr called them and considering the seriousness of the accusations he had to assume that the cops wouldn't just blow it off. I think he took the baby because she was effectively the only family he has left and he intended to keep her until the scene where he was changing her diaper in the bathroom and she started calling for her mom. That was the point when he realised he had to return her to Skylar.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Dazey

[downzy]

Perhaps one of the Nazi's will acidentally kill Jesse or he will kill himself, which is why they would want Walt to cook again and draw him out of hiding by kidnapping his family.

I'm having a difficult time understanding why Uncle Jack and his crew would now be so hell bent on the meth business with the $70 million they stole off of Walt. I get that they're bad people, but $70 million is a lot of money - too much to worry themselves with Walt's family anymore, or even the meth business. I don't doubt that this will be a moot point in the show, but it just seems like it would be an odd twist if they came after Walt or his family because they wanted more money by means of the meth trade.

Uncle Jack said it himself, "what's with all the greed here." The group hasn't really come off completely insane or predatory, but I suppose events could unfold for that to change. I would agree that they'd be interested in having Walt (or Jesse) cook for them if they hadn't just deposited $70 in their joint checking account (joking), but that amount of cash should change their priorities a bit.

This leads me back to thinking that it's Walt through Saul that trashes the house. I've never heard Uncle Jack or Todd call Walt by his street name Heisenberg (I could be wrong), so it doesn't make much sense for someone from that organization to write it on the walls inside the White homestead. Then again, it could be Jesse who comes back to finish what he started with the gas canister.

[downzy]

Am I the only one who wants Walt to get away with everything? I mean, fuck everybody for walking all over him his whole life. Hank included!

Can't speak for everyone but I don't know how anyone could be rooting for Walt at this point. It was fun to root for him when he was going up against Fring, but the last couple of seasons he's really got a lot of blood on his hands. And not exactly sure when and where Hank walked all over Walt.

Moreover, I'm not sure how anyone could still support Walt after he told Jesse that he watched Jane die just out of spite. That was just cold. I can't say that the man is pure evil (since we see in this last episode he had the good sense to return Holly to her mother), but his darker self has definitely taken over.

That's the genius behind the flashback scene of Walt and Jesse's first cook. Walt seemed like a totally different guy when talking to Skylar. That sweet, caring, and somewhat innocent guy is almost all gone now. He deserves any and all retribution life has coming his way.

Edited September 17, 2013 by downzy

[bacardimayne]

The Nazis don't care about the meth anymore, Todd just wants to impress Lydia.

Edited September 17, 2013 by bacardimayne

[Nobodys_Fault]

The Nazis don't care about the meth anymore, Todd just wants to impress Lydia.

Yeah. I think it was implied that this is a Todd solo venture. The only reason he wanted Jesse kept alive is because he thinks blue meth will get him in to Lydia's pants.

[izzygirl]

The Nazis don't care about the meth anymore, Todd just wants to impress Lydia.

This is a really good point that I hadn't thought about. Probably Todd is doing the meth thing without his uncle knowing. Good one.

And maybe Jesse will escape somehow thanks to this.

[Rdeyahlxp]

Maybe Jesse escapes, kills/kidnaps Skyler or/and the kids and trashes the house so he lures Walt out, because he wants to kill Walt because he wants revenge for Jane's death.

I actually have no idea what will happen at this point.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Rdeyahlxp

[SunnyDRE]

You can never have to much money is the mentality of some.

Remember Walt had 80 million and didn't want to quit.

There is a million dollar market out there with no competition.

Be stupid to stop.

[Forsaken]

The Nazis don't care about the meth anymore, Todd just wants to impress Lydia.

Interesting, haven't looked at that angle.

Walt made that phone call to specifically get the DEA off of Skylar and his family as much as possible because Walt is now changing identities. Just pay attention to the language he uses, why do you think he kidnapped Holly? To guarantee the police at the house when the call was made.

An interesting take on it but I don't think that was the reason for taking the baby. He already knew that the police would be there because he was in the house when Walt Jr called them and considering the seriousness of the accusations he had to assume that the cops wouldn't just blow it off. I think he took the baby because she was effectively the only family he has left and he intended to keep her until the scene where he was changing her diaper in the bathroom and she started calling for her mom. That was the point when he realised he had to return her to Skylar.

I still believe that was the motive, but when Holly started saying "Mommy" , that was the final straw. Had to get her returned asap. Heisenberg or no, he's still putting family first in his own way. After all, what does Walt gain by kidnapping Holly if it weren't for that motive alone?

[downzy]

Maybe Jesse escapes, kills/kidnaps Skyler or/and the kids and trashes the house so he lures Walt out, because he wants to kill Walt because he wants revenge for Walt letting Jane die.

I actually have no idea what will happen at this point.

This is a good point. It makes more sense from a narrative standpoint for the show be about the battle between Walt and Jesse than Walt and some Neo-Nazi group that was just introduced last season. Walt's line about letting Jane die will likely only further motivate Jesse to seek revenge. Since Walt let Jane die and almost killed Brock, Jesse might seek retribution with Walt's family.

I'm at the point that the show would be rather lame if it came down to a battle between Walt and Uncle Jack and his crew. Far more, well, not sure if poetic is the word, but would feel right if the finale pits Jesse against Walt.

[Dazey]

I still believe that was the motive, but when Holly started saying "Mommy" , that was the final straw. Had to get her returned asap. Heisenerg or no, he's still putting family first in his own way. After all, what does Walt gain by kidnapping Holly if it weren't for that motive alone?

It's like I said she's all the family he has left after Skylar and Walt Jr turned against him. I don't think he took her to get at Skylar I just think that in the moment he wanted to take his daughter with him to start a new life. When he'd had chance to calm down and consider what that would entail he came to his senses and returned her.

[Forsaken]

Perhaps so, makes the most logical sense. I just like thinking outside the box a little

[downzy]

What Vince Gilligan said about this (half) season: “Once this thing gets going, and it gets going very quickly... it just rolls along like gangbusters.”

After watching the most recent episode, it's hard to disagree with that statement.

[downzy]

Not sure if many of you read episode reviews, but this one made some good points (some of which have been covered here):

"One of Gilligan’s canniest dramatic decisions for the final half-season of Breaking Bad was to have Walter White’s ultimate unraveling take place at the same time he was becoming Walter White again. In earlier seasons, you sensed that Walt wasn’t really cooking meth for his family—that he was cooking it, rather, because it made him feel like the man he always imagined he was: Innovative. Intelligent. Superior. Powerful. It made him feel like Heisenberg.

But during the second half of Season 5, Heisenberg receded. Walt returned. Dressed entirely in beige, working the A-1 cash register, it was clear that Walt no longer wanted to be Heisenberg. He just wanted to be normal.

Which is what made the final moments of “Ozymandias” so wrenching. In a sudden flash of Heisenbergian villainy, Walt kidnaps Holly after his fight with Skyler and Junior; he seems to imagine that some family is better than no family, and that his best shot is to start over, somewhere, with his daughter, a tabula rasa. But when Holly cries for her mama, Walt realizes that his new family is no family at all—neither for him nor Holly. Because she still has a real family, he leaves her to be discovered in the front seat of a fire truck. And because he doesn’t, he calls Skyler again—and he lies just like he lied in To’hajiilee.

Walt knows the cops are on the line. He knows that Skyler could be on the hook for his crimes. So he turns on the Heisenberg, growling that she’s “a stupid bitch” who “disrespect[ed]” him and tried to “drag” him down.

In one sense, Walt is providing Skyler with plausible deniability here. But he is also providing her with the version of himself that she will need to believe in if she, Walt Jr., and Holly can ever hope to move on. Walt knows that he can only save his family now by leaving it—by erasing Walter White and installing Heisenberg in his place. And so he plays a part he no longer wants to play, and he weeps in silence the entire time."