wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Outside of the forums nobody cares, in 10 years Axl could release another GNR album and people will care less and they can still tour. CD will be like the Back in Black of GNR by 2050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuneo77 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Acdc does things right, i think ppl on here dont think its ok to like more than one band. The argument of "oh they suck,doesnt matter" is weak and reaching. Its prob a mix of ppl pointing the finger at axl, add the late starts,riots and not putting out anything new for yrs and now no new album ..fan club,etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aArief178 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Is it because ACDC sold their soul to the devil and Guns not?Guns did the RIGHT thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Because they went on to make great music. Guns didn't./End thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) That's the reason. The first taste the public got of the new version of AC/DC was an instant classic. Johnson was not necessarily able to replace Scott, but give the band something new that the public ultimately accepted.It's a tricky proposition to replace band members, especially those who are so important to a band's dynamic, image, and sound. Axl could have gotten away with replacing Slash and carrying on with the GNR name had the next GNR album done what Back in Black did (and was released a decade earlier). Had AC/DC released Flick the Switch to introduce Johnson perhaps people would have given AC/DC a harder time. But they didn't. Johnson had proven himself with the many hits that were included on the Back in Black album.It's really not that hard to understand the difference between the two bands. Edited October 23, 2013 by downzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carne_asaDA Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 LMAO @ AC/DC makes "great" music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) You don't hear much about the smashing pumpkins anymore. Same with Geoff Tates Queensryche after he fired everyone. Shinedown only has like 2 original members, but they're still releasing number one records.so none cares. Had Axl done things right and released CD in 2002... He would've been in a much better place. Edited October 23, 2013 by liers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 'Cause Back In Black is as good as the Bon albums. Home Run at the first try.Is ChiDem as good as any classic GN'R album? Not even Lies.LMAO @ AC/DC makes "great" music.Powerage is as good as AFD. Maybe Highway To Hell too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Axl Rose is an easy target that is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Because they went on to make great music. Guns didn't. /End threadwent on to make mediocre music more like. ACDC didnt exactly change and Metallica have got steadily worse. 'Cause Back In Black is as good as the Bon albums. Home Run at the first try.Is ChiDem as good as any classic GN'R album? Not even Lies.LMAO @ AC/DC makes "great" music.Powerage is as good as AFD. Maybe Highway To Hell too.CD is pound for Pound the best GNR album. Almostly sadly. I like Powerage, but that is way off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Axl Rose is an easy target that is why.Well it is hard to miss him these days I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 All those other bands have extenuating circumstances. AC/DC for example, there was a death and since then there's been a reasonably solid line up and solid output over a thirty plus year period. Bands like The Fall for instance, was pretty much always just a set up put together to prop up Mark E Smith, Guns n Roses, in their day, were considered a proper band with unique members that all played an important part in how the music sounds and the identity of the band. Like The Beatles, although i'm loathe to compare any fuckin' band to those four beautiful bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netcat Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 i don't see how it's even comparable. Angus and Malcolm did everything to save their band. Axl did everything to ruin classic GnR and save his ego. He wanted to build a creative dictatorship. I don't blame him for that. still hate the fact, that he turned out to be one of the most powerless and incompetent dictators ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Because they went on to make great music. Guns didn't. /End threadwent on to make mediocre music more like. ACDC didnt exactly change and Metallica have got steadily worse. 'Cause Back In Black is as good as the Bon albums. Home Run at the first try.Is ChiDem as good as any classic GN'R album? Not even Lies.LMAO @ AC/DC makes "great" music.Powerage is as good as AFD. Maybe Highway To Hell too.CD is pound for Pound the best GNR album. Almostly sadly. I like Powerage, but that is way off.I disagree. CD is just an overblown mess, pretty sad if that's GN'R best.Tu put it simply, it just isn't.And I maintain what I said on Powerage, not a single filler on that record, only great, great songs. Edited October 23, 2013 by EvH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Thats how i see it, Guns became like Zepp or the Beatles, they sold 100 million records in 4 years. Thats what Zepp sold their whole career. So as Guns shot through the stratosphere, the wings got burnt off. Stevie died on launch, the smart ones press the ejector seat. Axl went down with wreckage. We recovered the body 20 years later. What we need is the black box from the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) If you look at any mainstream band that has ever lost an asset, they bring in somebody to appease the fanbase/media. The Chillis lost John Frusciante and what did they do? They brought in a good friend and collaborator of their "beloved" guitarist. What did that prevent? Frusciante going to the press and ripping his former colleagues -- thus giving the fans/media a mandate to challenge the new line-up.Compare that to Axl's approach. He has a gang of guys that literally define the pop culture they lived amongst. What he absolutely had to do was get big personalities in order for modern day GNR to become viable (or give up the name and do what he actually did anyway). He hired a good friend with absolutely no charisma or presence. A gay-looking guy called Robin Finck (I'm talking from the mentality of your average GNR fan here). Some sophisticated bass player that has no problem saying he fucking hated GNR. A cross-dressing synth player and a couple more NIN guys.How did Axl expect anything other than a barrage of hostility? Edited October 23, 2013 by NGOG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Translation: He hired a bunch of fuckin' monkeys that would indulge all his bullshit ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Also he could have kept the sound more like old GNR. Mike Clink producing etc. get a Slash clone, im sure theres more blues rock players out there. But I respect more what he did, he didnt try to fake GNR, he just worked with new musicians in GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolRanchDressing Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Wait so are you guys seriously arguing that back in black isn't a great rock album? I think even Axl would argue with you turds on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Back in Black is awesome and it sold a ton. So that must have helped. But CD was doomed before it was released, its as good as Back in Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolRanchDressing Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I couldn't disagree more. To me, they are text book opposites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 BIB is still hard rock, CD is a bit stranger. Both in fact seem a bit sterile compared to past albums. But are solid records. Diff is Back sold millions, CD didnt. So for this thread, thats a reason. If CD took off or say it had Slash on lead, just no Izzy maybe GNR would be more accepted by the metal police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolRanchDressing Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Back in black has choruses. That's all the difference. I don't care of some guy named dildoface played guitar on it. Edited October 23, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Opinion based on lack of evidence is bias. There are choruses on Better, Shacklers, Sorry, ITW. It just didnt sell 20 million copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Back in Black is awesome and it sold a ton. So that must have helped. But CD was doomed before it was released, its as good as Back in Black.Oh do me a favour Wasted, for fuckssake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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