R.I.P. Jim Hellwig-The Ultimate Warrior

[Guest Len B'stard]

How do you get that he was an asshole through his public speaking? He was a motivational speaker. You're aut9matically disqualified from doing that if you're an asshole. Granted, I've never actually seen one of his speaches; but I would assume it would be pretty hard to find work if you weren't connecting with an audience. I've also never seen an out of character interview with him. I'm guessing these are on YouTube? I'm on my phone right now, but when I get home I'll look them up if you can provide some examples where he looks particularly jackassish.

His regular blog more than those but those too.

[bacardimayne]

I hope you're happy len, you just had to come and make the thread all about you.

[Guest NGOG]

Hate to say it, but there will be no tears shed by Vince. The man is cold-blooded.

At least they buried the hatchet and were on goodish terms, he was probably glad when Macho Man died.

I don't think Warrior could ever be on good terms with somebody like Vince, he simply negotiated a deal that would ensure the Warrior character no longer be dragged through the dirt. I mean, he even referred in his speech to how Vince criticized him as a young wrestler for thinking he was some sort of legend.

[Ace Nova]

RIP...he was one of the more entertaining wrestlers when I was a kid. Back in the day it was between him, Hogan, Macho Man and Andre the Giant....they pretty much dominated the WWF.

[Guest Len B'stard]

I hope you're happy len, you just had to come and make the thread all about you.

You're just narked because the thread has gone some way to actually talking about the persons character, which had a negative side, instead of just empty RIP platitudes. I mean its worth noting here that im the one that actually appears to actually know something about the cunt, along with about 3 or 4 other posters and are willing to discuss the shit...but i suppose 3 pages worth of RIP and 'i remember him from when i was a kid' is better than an actual discussion about the person and his character and the nature of people of that character, I suppose thats me making the thread all about me, yeah?

Cuz its not like the person matters eh, no, its all about how you come across in your reaction to his parting, well done Cardi, you've given a good account of yourself

I fact, pretty much everyone is still discussing the guy and his character...except you, the guy that admits to not really knowing nothing about the case in question yet demands that his character not be discussed, awwww, sorry!

Tell you what, you give me a Cardi ordained script of thread do's and don'ts for every thread and ill try and be a good lad and follow em to the letter, anythings better than knowing that Cardi is out there somewhere crying over his keyboard.

Edited April 9, 2014 by sugaraylen

[Guest NGOG]

Appearing at the HOF (and he acknowledged in his speech that there was huge expectation surrounding his appearance) and RAW was too much for somebody that's been out of the business for so long. I genuinely think he would still be alive if he hadn't put so much strain on himself in one weekend.

[Guest Len B'stard]

He must've been in bad nick though if a weekends work done him in. Wanna watch that Raw thing now. I remember he made a comeback one other time too, fighting Hunter Hearst Helmsley back in the day, short lived though it was.

Anyone remember the graphitti duster jacket? That was sick

Edited April 9, 2014 by sugaraylen

[Guest Len B'stard]

http://www.somethingawful.com/legal-threats/legal-threat-ultimate/1/

Funniest thing ever, this dude calls Warrior a racist on his website, has a back and forth with his 'legal team' (which is actually just warrior himself )by email, things get a little heated, Warrior starts calling the guys Dads house

Edited April 9, 2014 by sugaraylen

[moreblack]

I hope you're happy len, you just had to come and make the thread all about you.

Not the first time this happens when someone dies. I'd be more shocked if it didn't.

Edited April 9, 2014 by moreblack

[The Sandman]

Appearing at the HOF (and he acknowledged in his speech that there was huge expectation surrounding his appearance) and RAW was too much for somebody that's been out of the business for so long. I genuinely think he would still be alive if he hadn't put so much strain on himself in one weekend.

That, and the culmination of what's really been a legal battle over the past years - it probably just caught up with him.

[moreblack]

@thewadekeller: TMZ reports that Warrior collapsed Tues @ 5:50 while walking to his car at an Arizona hotel and was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead.

So, basically, Warrior got gassed before even getting to his car?

Ok I cracked up at that a little.

[Iron MikeyJ]

How many 80's wrestlers are even still alive? Seems like more and more are dying all the time. I am starting to wonder if baseball players will be next? They took lots of steroids also, if that is a factor?

[saber_]

I guess hes gone to parts unknown now motivating my arse the guy was a delusional self obssessed racist juicehead that was almost completely talentless at what he did and right up until the point he dropped dead was considered the subject of mass ridicule.

He was not a racist. If you actually know what that term means, then you know it's not an accurate characterization. Based on some of the things people say around here, are they all racists too? Oh right, you give them a free pass because they're just "joking."

As far as him being "self obsessed," well no offense but I'd say that term is more fitting for you, actually, if your posts on this board are indication. The Warrior left the WWF and was off the radar for years. He didn't beg to be let back in. Yeah that really reeks of self-obsessed, doesn't it? He made videos and blogs to try to inspire his fans. He tried to get them to work out, read books, enlighten themselves, be philosophical. I know for a fact you haven't actually read much of his blog or seen many of his videos because of the broad strokes you're painting in a pathetic attempt to mischaracterize him.

As for him being talentless, that makes little sense. He was so talentless he captivated millions of fans? He was so talentless the WWF asked him to come back 3 times? He was so talentless that his promos were improvised? Not just anyone can do what he did. People have tried to emulate it and failed. As I said, if you had actually read his blog more thoroughly, it might dawn on you what an intelligent person he was. He had strong opinions about things and he spoke his mind. But to say he was talentless is an ignorant statement.

Since then he's been doing pretty much jackshit. I think he tried to do some kinda vague political thing there and made an absolute fool of himself, by the end of his life he seemed to be just writing his really right wing blog and looking like he was trying to make a bit of money, as if he was hard up, these motivational videos he was selling, personalised ones, for 300 dollars a pop that just involved him basically ranting at you, or selling these really naff doodles he made as his Warrior art...that no one bought

You seem to be under this delusion that he was like all the other wrestlers who were desperate to be apart of the company. I think it's pretty clear he was fine with walking away from it. What you call him "doing jackshit for years" was him living his life with his family. You seem to be partially judging him because he didn't stay in wrestling nonstop. That's because he didn't give a shit.

You "think. he tried to do some vague political thing"? The only thing vague there is that dipshit sentence. If you're not quite sure what "vague political thing" he did, then maybe you shouldn't run your mouth about it, y'know, since you fancy yourself the bastion of intellectual, rational discussion. Just a thought.

His blog may have been "right wing," but it also was strongly divergent from many right-wing idealogies.

As for the personalized videos, believe it or not, some people are inspired by him. They want to spend 300 bucks (which it seems is a lot of money for you) to be yelled at by him. Because they're fans of him.

How I know you're really out to cupcake this thread is you even took a shot at his art. "Naff doddle"? Art is subjective, but I thought his pieces were really well done. I think he had talent as a painter. And many of them did sell by the way, you would know that if you *actually* read his website and blog as you have repeatedly claimed.

As for your babbling about his intensity and him being a prick, you didn't know the man. Some of the shit you're saying here is like you just watched the Self-Destruction DVD and you think it's real. For someone who's impressed with his own intellectualism, I expect more thoughtful, accurate opinions than the shit you've offered here. There are plenty of interviews where people said he was just a regular guy. He didn't do drugs back in the day. There's something to admire about him. He may have used roids, but he was not a drinker or a drugger. I think that says something about his character.

What you're doing in this thread is in poor taste. If you want to be critical of the Warrior, that's fine, but at least do your homework and use critical thinking. You seem to be proud of doing neither here. All I can say is, when Slash dies I would hate myself and feel guilty if I was doing what you're doing here.

[saber_]

Oh and one more thing.

I exchanged emails with him once. I left a comment on his blog about a grammatical error or two, and I was a little snarky about it. No bullshit, he actually emailed me (because you had to leave your email to make a comment on his blog), thanking me for pointing it out, and asking if I did work professionally as a speechwriter (or something to that effect). He was very cordial and polite in our brief email exchange, and this was after I picked apart his little grammar mistakes and after I told him in the first email that I was just some wiseass on the internet. I just wanted to include that story here as an addendum to my previous post.

Edited April 9, 2014 by saber_

[Guest NGOG]

Oh and one more thing.

I exchanged emails with him once. I left a comment on his blog about a grammatical error or two, and I was a little snarky about it. No bullshit, he actually emailed me (because you had to leave your email to make a comment on his blog), thanking me for pointing it out, and asking if I did work professionally as a speechwriter (or something to that effect). He was very cordial and polite in our brief email exchange, and this was after I picked apart his little grammar mistakes and after I told him in the first email that I was just some wiseass on the internet. I just wanted to include that story here as an addendum to my previous post.

[Gia]

I hope you're happy len, you just had to come and make the thread all about you.

Not the first time this happens when someone dies. I'd be more shocked if it didn't.

Well said Saber btw

Edited April 9, 2014 by Gia

[Guest NGOG]

My morning has been genuinely blackened by Warrior's passing - so, so sad.

[Ace Nova]

I'd have to also disagree with anyone saying the Warrior was, "talentless". That's simply not true. Professional wrestling is entertainment, first and foremost. Some of the most famous professional wrestlers in history weren't necessarily always the most technically masterful wrestlers in the ring...Hulk Hogan being the prime example for that.

A great professional wrestler needs to be a great actor, talker and showman before even making his first move in the ring....and The Ultimate Warrior was definitely all of those.

[bacardimayne]

People who compare this to the streak ending need their heads examined.

[moreblack]

I know at least 1 or 2 personally.

That being said, Taker looked so bad and frail in the ring against Bork, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't stick around long.

Edited April 9, 2014 by moreblack

[Tater Totts]

People who compare this to the streak ending need their heads examined.

Just goes to show that even when something as shocking as the Streak ending occurs that there are far more important things going on.

[Guest NGOG]

TMZ excitedly reporting that he "clutched his chest before he collapsed" - of what good is that information to any decent human being?

Edited April 9, 2014 by NGOG

[Guest NGOG]

The sergeant looking into Warrior's death had this to say: "At this point in the investigation, it appears as though a catastrophic medical condition caused his death."

I'd imagine the catastrophic medical condition is either a grossly enlarged heart, or heart disease; caused by the abuse of steroids (which when Warrior was at his peak, were absolutely necessary to succeeed). There is no doubt that they were actively peddled by Vince McMahon; not that that had any direct bearing on Warrior's passing.

Edited April 9, 2014 by NGOG

[Tater Totts]

Like we said, enlarged heart + heart attack probably.

[Guest NGOG]

Like we said, enlarged heart + heart attack probably.

Rewatching that RAW segment is very upsetting - he seems almost subdued.

As you say, the gasps of air during basic actions seem to indicate that he was informed by a doctor of problems. It's almost like the gasping was a survival mechanism.