Black Sabbath Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Better episodes, still no idea what's happening. Like, no idea. What. So. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You get the general idea though. Its a sex club for rich people. Im not sure we even need to care about the specifics of the case. Its all about Vince really, he got dragged back in so hes going light em up. Through Farrel and chick Pizz lecturing us about love as opposed to the evils of hooker parties. Maybe Kitsch will live like Rust did. Happy endings all around. Colin and the chick find love. Vince burns the mob to the ground or runs off with wife to become a farmer. Pmdoug helped me some on the case details:In 1992, a jewelry store in LA was robbed and its owners, a husband and wife, were brutally murdered. The robbers made off with rare blue diamonds. It turns out that the son and daughter of the owners were hiding in the cabinet during the robbery.Paul read the case file on the robbery, and discovered that Det. Dixon, Lt. Burris, and Chief Holloway were the officers on the robbery case, and gleaned that they went rouge, robbed the store, and killed the owners. Ben Caspere worked for the police at the time, and was also involved with the theft.Years later, those men rose up in the world and claimed places of power in Vinci: Burris as a lieutenant, Holloway as police chief, and Caspere as city manager.In the present, there is this whole land deal that is less complicated than it might seem. The Catalyst Corporation, the mayor, Osip the Russian-Israeli, Ben Caspere, Frank Semyon, and other powerful investors bought up cheap land in California (land that was intentionally poisoned and bought up). They have made a deal to sell that land to the federal government for the development of a rail line. The investors all stand to make a ton of money.And then the show begins... Caspere is killed and brutally tortured by a man in a raven mask, Semyon's investment through Caspere collapses, and so forth. Basically, rich guys want more money and are killing those who would stand in their way or blackmail them. But it doesn't seem like Caspere was killed by Catalyst, Mayor Chessani, Burris, or Holloway. So who killed him?Well, Velcoro and Bezzerides just found out that the daughter of the jewelry store owners grew up to be an escort, who then eventually became Ben Caspere's assistant. Odd. And she had a brother who would be around 30. Dark haired guy. Might work as a set photographer for movies. Might also wear a raven mask from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So it really the sister or brother of murdered jewelry owners hunting down the 3 corrupt officials who killed they parents years ago. Then Vince got fucked up by that indirectly. The Russians are coming anyway. So hes going to have get the fuck out of dodge leave the evil of vinci behind. If Vince turns out to be the son of murdered jewel shop owners and is back for revenge then that would awesome. He kills everyone and reopens a jewelley store in a righted Vinci with him as his most right self. Righteously corrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The guy behind the door at the end, was it someone we're supposed to know or just a random guy? Cause I've seen his face but it might be from other shows Edit: Not random RANDOM, but just one of those guys that went in... aahhh, you know what I mean.Burris is one of the 3 or 4 guys who robbed the jewry store back in the day. Now trying to cover it up and stop it leading to deeper corruption in vinci. They hired a bunch of fuck ups like Ray, Ani, Paul bcos they thought they could be silenced or controlled. But they actually came through. Paul almost solved the case himself. Ani got revenge on the people who fucked her up, Ray unravelled the shitstorm of his life. Vince is going to massacre the rest of them maybe leaving the russians to control vinci. Vince is money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Best episode all around so far of the season to me. Vince did well in this one. Seems like this season paced better with last ep still something to care about. Maybe they reveal Birdman or Vince is birdman.Not sure if all of them going to storm vinci castle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The episodes have gotten better and better, that's for sure. The plot seems hard to follow at times though. First 4 eps a bit like wasted time. Its just set up for being sent on red herring, the mexicans as the patsies, which destroys them all. After they lose everything they are free to start over. So after that it starts to go somewhere. Like gloves are off! But felt the first four eps were more controlled and less misleading than S1. After ep 4 in S1 it was like now Rust is the Yellow king! After ep 4 it was like now i believe in these fuck ups. Frank has been the ambiguous one for me. but he has dropped the go straight thing slowly and now has now gone full gangster which everyone has intrepreted as Vince is improving his acting but really his character is less confused. He's dropped pimping for head breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 There was too much exposition in every episode, it robbed us the chance to really care for the characters.Now that the blood is flowing and there is some definite momentum, we're willing to forgive Pizzolatto for forgetting to bond us to the characters. I for one was glad to see Taylor Kitsch's character gunned down; he was the most boring of the lot and the least-rounded performer. I'd also like to mention how amusing the direction Nic is taking in these last episodes. It seems like this whole grand conspiracy coming to a head was what he always intended for the finale of the first season. A big, brutal shakedown of the system where the shadowy figures in government are exposed for the cult they are. The fact that he's ending this season with ninety bloody minutes of retribution, speaks to the disappointment viewers had when S1 climaxed with a stock cat and mouse chase with Errol Childers.Finally, it seems HBO has the balls to take on the system and indict everybody as evil and open targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I felt like those early eps were to get to know the characters but there was less to make you think like such and such is the bad guy here. In 1 there was tons of stuff leading to R and M and the Usual Suspects format kind of made you think the bs is coming. Felt lime early on Paul was like why put a gay ex military fuck up in this if he isnt the killer. But it turns out its all about what drives them to redemption. Sex is bad, love is good, okay? I guess Paul's mountain was too black to climb. Or did go all the way like Rust and get everyone of those bad guys who did the robberies? He broke case open. In the end he did good. Is he dead, im not sure. Rust survived some heavy gun fire in 1.I think though its possible Pizz will sidestep it again. Its more about the characters. Vince may just get out of the game and choose love. Thats a Pizz move. He wont go full conspiracy. Its almost a coincidental chain of events. One case that exposed the dark underbelly of one criminal organisation. But the russians are coming. Evil is genetic. Time is a flat circle, but season 2 says choose love. Only love can cure the demon. Heres HBO with some violence and boobies. The problem with Pizz is hes a philosopher not an action movie maker like Stallone. So he will be at pains to make his point. So whether he goes full bloodbath Im not sure. Maybe a bit of both with a Tony Sopranos open ending just to mind fuck us. Vince kills everyone, escapes to set up a farm, last scene is him wearing the Birdman mask while his wife blows him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I for one was glad to see Taylor Kitsch's character gunned down; he was the most boring of the lot and the least-rounded performer. Glad i'm not the only one, he was dull as fuck and his character seemed rather pointless. The show would've been fine without him, and just carried on with Colin, Rachel and Vince. His sub-plot sucked too. I will say this, I was extremely critical going into this season about Vince Vaughn, and was still as episodes went on, but these past few have redeemed himself completely. He has been really really solid the past few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haters Gonna Hate Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm still completely lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 https://instagram.com/p/6BNNhxq8qB/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 It's definitely harder to follow and a different show but I think I appreciate this season for what it is. Like I say, I didn't have high expectations for this after season 1, but it seems that this season may actually have a satisfying ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I guess i liked the more intense, neo noir LA. 90s Ellroy meets Lynch with Vince as Tony Soprano. But not as much fun as S1. S1 blew it at the end. So heres hoping Vince wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 So it really the sister or brother of murdered jewelry owners hunting down the 3 corrupt officials who killed they parents years ago.Then Vince got fucked up by that indirectly. The Russians are coming anyway. So hes going to have get the fuck out of dodge leave the evil of vinci behind.If Vince turns out to be the son of murdered jewel shop owners and is back for revenge then that would awesome. He kills everyone and reopens a jewelley store in a righted Vinci with him as his most right self. Righteously corrupt.im thinking the brother is the photographer guy we saw on the movie set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 This kind of helped clear some things up: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/06/true-detective-who-are-season-2s-villains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I guess i liked the more intense, neo noir LA. 90s Ellroy meets Lynch with Vince as Tony Soprano. But not as much fun as S1. S1 blew it at the end. So heres hoping Vince wins.Stop comparing Frank to Tony Soprano. Stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Let's hope there's a better pay off than last season's finale. Colin and Rachel have been carrying this show, but Vince is going to steal it in the end.I had a feeling Taylor was going to get killed, but not without them making you think he will get away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 The show is kind of about each character rising above there messed up lives. Paul was just so fucked up he couldnt turn it around. But ironically while he was out kicking ass the two lovers Ray and Ani were making out and couldnt save him. Frank is like Tony though, hes basically a muderous thug but hes the actor is lovable so your like thats fine, you are sympathic to his story. Ray and Ani might get clipped too. Then Vince will be sitting in a restaurant with his wife watching the doors. Roll credits. Internet shit storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Paul made the rookie mistake of not clearing the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 This kind of helped clear some things up: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/06/true-detective-who-are-season-2s-villains?Helped big time. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I'm still watching it and I'm hoping the finale will be decently entertaining, but this season was definitely a bust.Feel bad for Colin Farrell. He was trying so hard to complete the career comeback narrative but everything he touches just ends up flopping or being shit. He must have some seriously good blackmail on people in Hollywood to keep landing star roles when all his movies tank. I liked him a lot in this show, I felt like these are the roles he's good at and he showed up with the McConaughey nervous energy from S1, but they traded the surreal aspects of S1 for a more straightforward cop procedural vibe here and tonally it's just all over the place. His hammy performance is so the antithesis of Vaughn's, when they're paired up against each other in a scene it just has an awkward energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Is it more straight forward? Usually the cops are the good guys and the mob are the bad guys. This time around, Vince, a bad man who's killed people is the good guy. He and Colin are like the anti-heroes. The guys who get called upon when a entity that many people depend on for their safety and protection becomes corrupt and they are the ones who can clean out the filth and restore balance. I mean Paul was the most boy scout of the bunch, Ani has her problems but now that she has killed, she has been brought to Ray's level. Paul came around at the end but it was too late for him.So maybe Frank, Ani and Ray will become the new trio to take down this corrupt bureaucracy. It is war now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Also, I agree it is a shame Colin Farrel doesn't get much work these days. He's actually a decent actor with charisma. Probably born a generation or two too late with his hell raising life style. I would take him over any third rate actor from over seas that Hollywood seems to be pushing such as Jai Courtney and Aaron-Taylor Johnson. Yes they don't have to pay them as much, but there is probably a reason why good actors get paid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Vince's wife seems dodgy. Maybe shes just not that well developed. As a character. Other wise her cleavage deserves a noble prize. I just wonder how gangster Frank is? Is going to clean house and reign supreme? Or get killed trying to escape. Paul wasnt a rookie? But rookie mistake. He took out like 4 of them. But the level of corruption is deep so he alone could not escape. His team were making out back at base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Is it more straight forward? Usually the cops are the good guys and the mob are the bad guys. This time around, Vince, a bad man who's killed people is the good guy. He and Colin are like the anti-heroes. That just makes it straightforward noir.There's really nothing that interesting or compelling going on here, no standard tropes truly being turned on their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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