Slash: 'I Definitely Play Better If I Can Read The Audience Better'

[DieselDaisy]

You have your big period in the limelight when you are young. When the fad disappears and the 'kids' get interested in something else, your commercial viability takes a kicking. Slash has seen it all. He went from clubs to stadiums (with guns) then from stadiums to clubs (Snakepit), back up to arenas again (VR) then back down a-peg to theaters - where he resides today. His commercial success will never be, 1992, again, but it is currently much better than the Snakepit era.

[moreblack]

It's tough to rebuild without the band name behind you. A lot of guys that go solo never end up playing those size places again. Axl wouldn't.

Exactly if you don't believe this all you have to do is look at Mick Jagger's solo tours in the 80's. He is one of the most recognizable names in Rock and he had to cancel shows here in the U.S. as his solo tour was flopping. Yet the Stones are still selling out tours at insane ticket prices.

Also Jimmy Page postponed and eventually cancelled the Coverdale/ Page U.S. tour twice because of poor ticket sales but the 2007 Led Zeppelin reunion show had over 1 million ticket applications.

GnR is a valuable brand name and anyone who thinks Axl would be drawing the crowds he has been if he was touring as just Axl Rose is dreaming.

Roger Waters famously has spoken about playing towns in the US where he'd play a 2000 seater, and the next night Gilmour's Floyd would play the football stadium in that same town, playing all his songs. He definitely understands the value of a brand name.

[Apollo]

You all are right.

Smooth is actually pretty much 100% correct - if you get past his usual slash-hating-gimmick thing he does.

Slash's popularity is decreasing with every album release. He can't fill tour numbers like GnR does.

But this really doesn't have much to do with slash "specifically." Like somebody said, even Mick Jagger and Jimmy Page - absolute hall of fame legends - don't do as well with "solo" albums/tours as they do with their normal bands. The Axl Rose album/tour wouldn't do as well as a Guns n Roses album/tour would.

So Smooth is correct, he is just presenting it the wrong way in his usual attempt to downgrade Slash's career.

I just read an article about the Billboard sales totals for 2014 and I think only THREE bands sold a million copies, none of them rock bands.

And.........Slash and Axl are getting older. Rock is all about age. No offense to anybody, but it really is. Appetite was the sound track to my high school years. Illusions was the soundtrack to my college years. Chinese Democracy? That was an album from my favorite band. I didn't buy posters. I didn't invite my homies over so we could drink beer and spend the entire night listening to the album over and over. No song off the album symbolized my "dating" experience with a girl. I didn't take a road trip where we listened to CD 50 times over a three day period.

An album from your music idols has a different effect on you at 18 years old than it does at 40 years old.

Hell, Steven Pearcy of Ratt just played the Whisky in Hollywood - and couldn't sell 250 tickets. Twenty years ago Ratt was playing in front of 20,000 people. Today, at one of Los Angeles most famous venues, the dude wasn't able to sell 250 tickets at 20 bucks each.

********

Slash is still putting out albums and touring, and making enough money at it to continue on............which is awesome for him, and great for his fans.

But he will never put out a platinum album or sell 10,000 tickets a night again - unless he reunites with Axl Rose.

That's just the facts of life when you are a GUITAR player leading a band, combined with his age and the age of most of his fan base, and the times that we live in today.

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

Axl currently is using the brand Guns n Roses - so because of that he'll always do better than ex-members of the band. A Duff or Izzy solo album will never sell as much as a Guns n Roses album.

So you guys fighting with each other are all basically correct. People are just presenting the facts in biased ways.

[Damn_Smooth]

Axl played to more people in the same locations in Europe and I'm not sure if you're just plain ignorant of Slash's US touring numbers.... wait, scratch that. I am absolutely sure that you're ignorant of Slash's US touring numbers or you wouldn't be babbling. Let's just say that a Vegas residency would be out of his league and he'd be lucky to get a reservation casino residency.

Axl does not even play Europe anymore!! He is now exclusively a Vegas/Brazilian artist. He has shut up shop. He merely plays to casino crowds that are so casual and drunk, they think they are watching Bon Jovi. He even had the audacity to release a DVD of the whole wretched experience.

You are comparing someone who releases albums and then tours the world in theaters to, the rock n' roll equivalent of an Osmonds Reunion.

Yup, Slash does release shitty albums that only 5 nerds want to hear, I'll give you that. It would be funny that he can't even touch the crowds that an Osmonds reunion can if it weren't so pathetic to see how low on the totem pole he truly is. Nah, it's still funny.

Still not accepting the fact that you cannot even get tickets to Slash's tours these days, such is the demand?

The quality of Slash's albums is subjective (I am personally critical of them myself) but they certainly have a wider listening crowd than '5 nerds'.

Smooth, you are just an anti-Slash nutter because you placed your cards on ginger bollocks sometime in the naughties and he turned into Kip Winger. You placed your bet on the wrong horse. No amount of, ''Axl is shit but Slash is shitter'', can mask your emotional problem.

You're actually as delusional as you come off as in your posts. All this time I thought it would be impossible for so much stupidity to reside in one man and gave you the benefit of the doubt that it was an act. It's not my fault that the truth about your idol stings your anus, I can't change the facts. The facts are that Slash draws smaller crowds for less cost per ticket in every single corner of the globe and his album sales drop drastically between every new release. I know it stings when somebody you love like you love Slash fails so hard after so much effort, but there's nothing that I can do for you. I can't bury my head in the sand and bring myself to believe the exact opposite of reality like you. I just don't have it in me.

Idol? Slash was not even my favourite member of Guns N' Roses and Guns N' Roses are not even my favourite band.

Slash's crowds have been aggrandising every tour: fact - a fact you cannot admit to yourself. I have already given you evidence of this but you refuse to acknowledge the truth.

Also about sales, have you seen the sales of the latest ACDC in comparison to Black Ice? The industry has crashed. Slash puts out albums because it is, what he does. Motorhead and Neil Young have a similar work ethic. Slash's albums seem to be successful enough to form a financial viable business plan or record companies would not put them out - Classic Rock would not release their fanpacks. His fans have something to enjoy every year; his setlists have an injection of new songs. How can you criticise a process which is far more exciting than Axl's glitter balls and nostalgia fests, with the same five-year-old stodgy setlist?

Nowhere did I say that he wasn't doing better than himself with each passing tour. With all of the work he puts into it he should be. For all of the work he puts into it he should be doing better than Axl's stale as fuck touring band and he's not. Name another band with a recognisable name like Slash that puts as much work into their music and is doing worse than Axl's band. When you find one look at how washed up you believe that they are. There are no facts that I cannot admit to myself, I'm not the one trying to turn a massive failure into some sort of success.

I do not know where you find this, so called, 'success', for Axl's band. I regard, playing Vegas residencies to be much lower on the totem pole than selling out theaters world wide. Brazil - you have a point. Outside Brazil, Axl has destroyed his markets. He does not even bother to tour North America now.

PS

What qualifies a 'massive failure' in your eyes. Can you sell European theaters out? Can you record a rock album? Or are you seriously delusional that you believe Axl and Slash should be playing stadia again like 1992?

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

[Free Bird]

You all are right.

Smooth is actually pretty much 100% correct - if you get past his usual slash-hating-gimmick thing he does.

Slash's popularity is decreasing with every album release. He can't fill tour numbers like GnR does.

But this really doesn't have much to do with slash "specifically." Like somebody said, even Mick Jagger and Jimmy Page - absolute hall of fame legends - don't do as well with "solo" albums/tours as they do with their normal bands. The Axl Rose album/tour wouldn't do as well as a Guns n Roses album/tour would.

So Smooth is correct, he is just presenting it the wrong way in his usual attempt to downgrade Slash's career.

I just read an article about the Billboard sales totals for 2014 and I think only THREE bands sold a million copies, none of them rock bands.

And.........Slash and Axl are getting older. Rock is all about age. No offense to anybody, but it really is. Appetite was the sound track to my high school years. Illusions was the soundtrack to my college years. Chinese Democracy? That was an album from my favorite band. I didn't buy posters. I didn't invite my homies over so we could drink beer and spend the entire night listening to the album over and over. No song off the album symbolized my "dating" experience with a girl. I didn't take a road trip where we listened to CD 50 times over a three day period.

An album from your music idols has a different effect on you at 18 years old than it does at 40 years old.

Hell, Steven Pearcy of Ratt just played the Whisky in Hollywood - and couldn't sell 250 tickets. Twenty years ago Ratt was playing in front of 20,000 people. Today, at one of Los Angeles most famous venues, the dude wasn't able to sell 250 tickets at 20 bucks each.

********

Slash is still putting out albums and touring, and making enough money at it to continue on............which is awesome for him, and great for his fans.

But he will never put out a platinum album or sell 10,000 tickets a night again - unless he reunites with Axl Rose.

That's just the facts of life when you are a GUITAR player leading a band, combined with his age and the age of most of his fan base, and the times that we live in today.

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

Axl currently is using the brand Guns n Roses - so because of that he'll always do better than ex-members of the band. A Duff or Izzy solo album will never sell as much as a Guns n Roses album.

So you guys fighting with each other are all basically correct. People are just presenting the facts in biased ways.

All Diesel and I are saying is that the album sales of Slash are getting lower but his current tour is more succesful than his last solo efforts.

On some venues he played before 15000 people on this tour. I consider this as a success for an old rocker.

[Apollo]

You all are right.

Smooth is actually pretty much 100% correct - if you get past his usual slash-hating-gimmick thing he does.

Slash's popularity is decreasing with every album release. He can't fill tour numbers like GnR does.

But this really doesn't have much to do with slash "specifically." Like somebody said, even Mick Jagger and Jimmy Page - absolute hall of fame legends - don't do as well with "solo" albums/tours as they do with their normal bands. The Axl Rose album/tour wouldn't do as well as a Guns n Roses album/tour would.

So Smooth is correct, he is just presenting it the wrong way in his usual attempt to downgrade Slash's career.

I just read an article about the Billboard sales totals for 2014 and I think only THREE bands sold a million copies, none of them rock bands.

And.........Slash and Axl are getting older. Rock is all about age. No offense to anybody, but it really is. Appetite was the sound track to my high school years. Illusions was the soundtrack to my college years. Chinese Democracy? That was an album from my favorite band. I didn't buy posters. I didn't invite my homies over so we could drink beer and spend the entire night listening to the album over and over. No song off the album symbolized my "dating" experience with a girl. I didn't take a road trip where we listened to CD 50 times over a three day period.

An album from your music idols has a different effect on you at 18 years old than it does at 40 years old.

Hell, Steven Pearcy of Ratt just played the Whisky in Hollywood - and couldn't sell 250 tickets. Twenty years ago Ratt was playing in front of 20,000 people. Today, at one of Los Angeles most famous venues, the dude wasn't able to sell 250 tickets at 20 bucks each.

********

Slash is still putting out albums and touring, and making enough money at it to continue on............which is awesome for him, and great for his fans.

But he will never put out a platinum album or sell 10,000 tickets a night again - unless he reunites with Axl Rose.

That's just the facts of life when you are a GUITAR player leading a band, combined with his age and the age of most of his fan base, and the times that we live in today.

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

Axl currently is using the brand Guns n Roses - so because of that he'll always do better than ex-members of the band. A Duff or Izzy solo album will never sell as much as a Guns n Roses album.

So you guys fighting with each other are all basically correct. People are just presenting the facts in biased ways.

All Diesel and I are saying is that the album sales of Slash are getting lower but his current tour is more succesful than his last solo efforts.

On some venues he played before 15000 people on this tour. I consider this as a success for an old rocker.

And I agree.

I think Slash is having a successful career. And the latest album has gotten great reviews.

Smooth is right though in terms of how successful Slash actually is. He just adds all the extra added negativity to his points, which is really not necessary, but that's his "thing" on here.

Slash is doing great for himself.

[moreblack]

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

I'd be interested in seeing if that's really the case, I'm pretty sure without the GNR name he wouldn't have the safety net to pull it off successfully. The thing is, when you go solo, it all falls on you, and you have to work your butt off to make the new project work. Axl can't be bothered to work whilst having the GNR name, I don't see that changing if he ever went on his own. There's a greater than good chance he will not always do better in a solo career.

[Apollo]

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

I'd be interested in seeing if that's really the case, I'm pretty sure without the GNR name he wouldn't have the safety net to pull it off successfully. The thing is, when you go solo, it all falls on you, and you have to work your butt off to make the new project work. Axl can't be bothered to work whilst having the GNR name, I don't see that changing if he ever went on his own. There's a greater than good chance he will not always do better in a solo career.

I don't know man. I'm talking in general, the lead singer has a much better chance to be successful than the guitar player.

Maybe Clapton withstanding.

In terms of a solo album/tour:

Plant or Page?

Lennon/McCartney or Harrison?

Vince Neil or Mick Marrs?

Lemmy or whoever is the guitar player for Motorhead?

Jagger or Richards?

Bono or the Edge?

DLR or Eddie VH?

Freddie Mercury or Brian May?

Ozzy or Jake E Lee or any of his guitar players?

Heck - Brett Michaels or CC DeVille?

Lead singers are almost always going to be a bigger draw than the guitar player.

[DieselDaisy]

Smooth has not been right about a single thing in this bloody thread. And I do not agree with Apollo's lead singer argument either.

[Damn_Smooth]

Smooth has not been right about a single thing in this bloody thread. And I do not agree with Apollo's lead singer argument either.

Keep burying your head in the sand as you blindly worship your god. The real world knows better.

[DieselDaisy]

Smooth has not been right about a single thing in this bloody thread. And I do not agree with Apollo's lead singer argument either.

Keep burying your head in the sand as you blindly worship your god. The real world knows better.

Pity I do not really like Slash's Conspirator albums and have criticised them on this very forum.

Pity Stradlin is my favourite GN'R member.

[Damn_Smooth]

Smooth has not been right about a single thing in this bloody thread. And I do not agree with Apollo's lead singer argument either.

Keep burying your head in the sand as you blindly worship your god. The real world knows better.

Pity I do not really like Slash's Conspirator albums and have criticised them on this very forum.

Pity Stradlin is my favourite GN'R member.

Bigger pity that your blind defense that flies in the face of both fact and logic betrays your true emotions. Maybe you should come out of the closet and just admit to yourself what an irrationally blind Slash fanboy you are. You might lead a happier life and your hatred of "ginger pubes" that defines you could be relieved.

[WhazUp]

Axl is the lead singer, so he will always do better in a solo career than his guitar player will.

I'd be interested in seeing if that's really the case, I'm pretty sure without the GNR name he wouldn't have the safety net to pull it off successfully. The thing is, when you go solo, it all falls on you, and you have to work your butt off to make the new project work. Axl can't be bothered to work whilst having the GNR name, I don't see that changing if he ever went on his own. There's a greater than good chance he will not always do better in a solo career.

I wonder if Axl would have the chops to keep a solo career alive in the form of interesting albums? I bet he could do a great Elton John piano type of record of him playing piano and singing with basic rhythm tracks backing him up.

[Turn_It_Up]

Name other active rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets. I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Edited January 3, 2015 by Turn_It_Up

[Damn_Smooth]

Name other rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets? I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Eric Clapton, John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix come immediately to mind. Wait no more.

[Turn_It_Up]

Name other rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets? I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Eric Clapton, John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix come immediately to mind. Wait no more.

So that's only 3, 2 of which are ancient and deceased. And the other ancient. Kinda makes my point.

But I'm talking about active rock guitarists in today's climate, the last 5 years. We all know(including the artists themselves) that guitarist solo careers are far more limited in appeal and niche.

There isn't a fanboy alive who would expect him to be outdrawing a brand like GNR(or even VR). It's absurd that it's as close as it is as this point with GNR...

Edited January 3, 2015 by Turn_It_Up

[Damn_Smooth]

Name other rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets? I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Eric Clapton, John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix come immediately to mind. Wait no more.

I'm talking about active guitarists in today's climate, the last 5 years. We all know(including the artists themselves) that guitarist solo careers are far more limited in appeal and niche.

There isn't a fanboy alive who would expect him to be outdrawing a brand like GNR(or even VR). It's absurd that it's as close as it is as this point with GNR...

Name a guitarist from the last 5 years with Slash's name recognition then. Slash is rightfully put at or near the top of every greatest guitar player ever list there is for his work in Guns, he should only be compared to his peers. No matter how much it upsets you. And with Axl doing everything possible to destroy any following he has, it is way more than reasonable to expect Slash to outdraw him when he's doing everything he possibly can to be successful.

[Turn_It_Up]

Name other rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets? I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Eric Clapton, John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix come immediately to mind. Wait no more.

I'm talking about active guitarists in today's climate, the last 5 years. We all know(including the artists themselves) that guitarist solo careers are far more limited in appeal and niche.

There isn't a fanboy alive who would expect him to be outdrawing a brand like GNR(or even VR). It's absurd that it's as close as it is as this point with GNR...

Name a guitarist from the last 5 years with Slash's name recognition then. Slash is rightfully put at or near the top of every greatest guitar player ever list there is for his work in Guns, he should only be compared to his peers. No matter how much it upsets you. And with Axl doing everything possible to destroy any following he has, it is way more than reasonable to expect Slash to outdraw him when he's doing everything he possibly can to be successful.

Not upset at all, I've always preferred Slash in a band and had realistic(ie, low) commercial expectations for solo ventures. If anything, he's wildly exceeded what should be normal expectations for an 80's rock guitarist who for the most part disappeared from the scene after Snakepit...and until VR. Sure he did some cool collaborations and session work, but for most of the general public he disappeared shortly after Guns and for many years.

But to your point which is key--let's compare him to his actual contemporaries. Do you not think his album sales and concert draws dwarf the likes of Morello's Night Watchman, Frusciante's solo career, etc? And was there a fan alive who was expecting Morello to outsell RATM or Frusciante to outsell RHCP? That's just lunacy.

There's no denying that Slash has worked his ass off and has a solo career that, commercially speaking, buries his contemporaries. He's had 3 albums in about 5 years debut on the Top 10 Billboard Chart and I can't think of any other solo contemporaries who have come close to registering once. Other than Morello and Frusciante I struggle to even think of other rock guitarist solo careers making a serious go of it in today's industry...

Edited January 3, 2015 by Turn_It_Up

[DieselDaisy]

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

Wrong any every account. When was he last in Europe? 2012. I went! It was an arena tour - yes - but significant rows of sears were devoid of people (this was not the case when Axl last played the United Kingdom, in 2006). What is better, to play half empty arenas or sold out theaters? Axl has had gigs scheduled, cancelled in North America, due to poor ticket sales. I seem to recall a show in the north east of the United States or Canada being removed (I remember someone here travelling to it). The 'UCAP' was a charade, a smoke screen, window dressing to disguise flagging sales as an 'event'. I do not think I am that wrong when I say, the period 2013-14 has pretty much been, for Will Bailey, Brazil, Vegas, Brazil, Vegas...

Why do you ignore the fact that Slash was a club artist with Snakepit, yet is now a theater artist? Truth to inconvenient for your anti-Slash fanaticism?

PS

In fact, Slash is doing even better than I thought. I missed his last tour but, in the UK, Slash is essentially an arena artist. This is how much his star is brighter, than formally, based on venue capacity:

Snakepit Tour, UK, 2000

- Camden Underworld (500 capacity)

- Sheffield's, Corporation (1000 max - I was at this show)

Slash's last UK tour, 2014

- Manchester Arena (21,000)

- First Direct Arena, Birmingham (15, 643)

- Wembley Arena (12, 500)

- SSE Hydro, Glasgow (13, 000)

Still, Smooth will ignore these, facts.

Edited January 3, 2015 by DieselDaisy

[Damn_Smooth]

Name other rock guitarists with more successful solo careers in terms of album sales and concert tickets? I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Still waiting...

Eric Clapton, John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix come immediately to mind. Wait no more.

I'm talking about active guitarists in today's climate, the last 5 years. We all know(including the artists themselves) that guitarist solo careers are far more limited in appeal and niche.

There isn't a fanboy alive who would expect him to be outdrawing a brand like GNR(or even VR). It's absurd that it's as close as it is as this point with GNR...

Name a guitarist from the last 5 years with Slash's name recognition then. Slash is rightfully put at or near the top of every greatest guitar player ever list there is for his work in Guns, he should only be compared to his peers. No matter how much it upsets you. And with Axl doing everything possible to destroy any following he has, it is way more than reasonable to expect Slash to outdraw him when he's doing everything he possibly can to be successful.

Not upset at all, I've always preferred Slash in a band and had realistic(ie, low) commercial expectations for solo ventures. If anything, he's wildly exceeded what should be normal expectations for an 80's rock guitarist who for the most part disappeared from the scene after Snakepit...and until VR. Sure he did some cool collaborations and session work, but for most of the general public he disappeared shortly after Guns and for many years.

But to your point which is key--let's compare him to his actual contemporaries. Do you not think his album sales and concert draws dwarf the likes of Morello's Night Watchman, Frusciante's solo career, etc? And was there a fan alive who was expecting Morello to outsell RATM or Frusciante to outsell RHCP? That's just lunacy.

There's no denying that Slash has worked his ass off and has a solo career that, commercially speaking, buries his contemporaries. He's had 3 albums in about 5 years debut on the Top 10 Billboard Chart and I can't think of any other solo contemporaries who have come close to registering once. Other than Morello and Frusciante I struggle to even think of other rock guitarist solo careers making a serious go of it in today's industry...

Who in their right mind thinks that Frusciante and Morello are in Slash's league. Neither 8ne of them have ever been regarded as the last true guitar god.

[Damn_Smooth]

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

Wrong any every account. When was he last in Europe? 2012. I went! It was an arena tour - yes - but significant rows of sears were devoid of people (this was not the case when Axl last played the United Kingdom, in 2006). What is better, to play half empty arenas or sold out theaters? Axl has had gigs scheduled, cancelled in North America, due to poor ticket sales. I seem to recall a show in the north east of the United States or Canada being removed (I remember someone here travelling to it). The 'UCAP' was a charade, a smoke screen, window dressing to disguise flagging sales as an 'event'. I do not think I am that wrong when I say, the period 2013-14 has pretty much been, for Will Bailey, Brazil, Vegas, Brazil, Vegas...

Why do you ignore the fact that Slash was a club artist with Snakepit, yet is now a theater artist? Truth to inconvenient for your anti-Slash fanaticism?

PS

In fact, Slash is doing even better than I thought. I missed his last tour but, in the UK, Slash is essentially an arena artist. This is how much his star is brighter, than formally, based on venue capacity:

Snakepit Tour, UK, 2000

- Camden Underworld (500 capacity)

- Sheffield's, Corporation (1000 max - I was at this show)

Slash's last UK tour, 2014

- Manchester Arena (21,000)

- First Direct Arena, Birmingham (15, 643)

- Wembley Arena (12, 500)

- SSE Hydro, Glasgow (13, 000)

Still, Smooth will ignore these, facts.

Half filled arenas at higher ticket prices are better than full theaters at less cost, even though you conveniently ignore the fact that the only time anything was half full was when he was playing multiple nights in the same location.Your memory is faulty if you believe your bullshit that any shows were canceled due to poor ticket sales, that was something made up by delusional Slash fanboys such as yourself to make you feel better about your position in life.

Why do you make up your delusional belief that I'm ignoring anything when I have no need to cover anything up to protect my god like you do? You're the one that ignores facts to defend your 'black pubes hudsy' (to use an insult that you would be stupid enough to find clever as shit)?

Mexico and Australia are neither in Vegas or Brazil, but of course Deisel will ignore these facts.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Damn_Smooth

[DieselDaisy]

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

Wrong any every account. When was he last in Europe? 2012. I went! It was an arena tour - yes - but significant rows of sears were devoid of people (this was not the case when Axl last played the United Kingdom, in 2006). What is better, to play half empty arenas or sold out theaters? Axl has had gigs scheduled, cancelled in North America, due to poor ticket sales. I seem to recall a show in the north east of the United States or Canada being removed (I remember someone here travelling to it). The 'UCAP' was a charade, a smoke screen, window dressing to disguise flagging sales as an 'event'. I do not think I am that wrong when I say, the period 2013-14 has pretty much been, for Will Bailey, Brazil, Vegas, Brazil, Vegas...

Why do you ignore the fact that Slash was a club artist with Snakepit, yet is now a theater artist? Truth to inconvenient for your anti-Slash fanaticism?

PS

In fact, Slash is doing even better than I thought. I missed his last tour but, in the UK, Slash is essentially an arena artist. This is how much his star is brighter, than formally, based on venue capacity:

Snakepit Tour, UK, 2000

- Camden Underworld (500 capacity)

- Sheffield's, Corporation (1000 max - I was at this show)

Slash's last UK tour, 2014

- Manchester Arena (21,000)

- First Direct Arena, Birmingham (15, 643)

- Wembley Arena (12, 500)

- SSE Hydro, Glasgow (13, 000)

Still, Smooth will ignore these, facts.

Half filled arenas at higher ticket prices are better than full theaters at less cost, even though you conveniently ignore the fact that the only time anything was half full was when he was playing multiple nights in the same location.Your memory is faulty if you believe your bullshit that any shows were canceled due to poor ticket sales, that was something made up by delusional Slash fanboys such as yourself to make you feel better about your position in life.

Why do you make up your delusional belief that I'm ignoring anything when I have no need to cover anything up to protect my god like you do? You're the one that ignores facts to defend your 'black pubes hudsy' (to use an insult that you would be stupid enough to find clever as shit)?

Mexico and Australia are neither in Vegas or Brazil, but of course Deisel will ignore these facts.

Facts,

- I have just demonstrated that Slash plays arenas.

- Some of the Slash dates were sell outs, or near sell outs (I know the AL tour was sold out as I could not get tickets).

- When I saw Axl live in 2012, it was not a multiple night and the arena was only 2/3rds full.

- Axl dates have certainly been cancelled before due to poor sales, case in point, Albany, NY, November 2011. I think there are one or two others as well.

Back to the drawing board, Smooth.

Edited January 3, 2015 by DieselDaisy

[KeyserSoze]

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

Wrong any every account. When was he last in Europe? 2012. I went! It was an arena tour - yes - but significant rows of sears were devoid of people (this was not the case when Axl last played the United Kingdom, in 2006). What is better, to play half empty arenas or sold out theaters? Axl has had gigs scheduled, cancelled in North America, due to poor ticket sales. I seem to recall a show in the north east of the United States or Canada being removed (I remember someone here travelling to it). The 'UCAP' was a charade, a smoke screen, window dressing to disguise flagging sales as an 'event'. I do not think I am that wrong when I say, the period 2013-14 has pretty much been, for Will Bailey, Brazil, Vegas, Brazil, Vegas...

Why do you ignore the fact that Slash was a club artist with Snakepit, yet is now a theater artist? Truth to inconvenient for your anti-Slash fanaticism?

PS

In fact, Slash is doing even better than I thought. I missed his last tour but, in the UK, Slash is essentially an arena artist. This is how much his star is brighter, than formally, based on venue capacity:

Snakepit Tour, UK, 2000

- Camden Underworld (500 capacity)

- Sheffield's, Corporation (1000 max - I was at this show)

Slash's last UK tour, 2014

- Manchester Arena (21,000)

- First Direct Arena, Birmingham (15, 643)

- Wembley Arena (12, 500)

- SSE Hydro, Glasgow (13, 000)

Still, Smooth will ignore these, facts.

Half filled arenas at higher ticket prices are better than full theaters at less cost, even though you conveniently ignore the fact that the only time anything was half full was when he was playing multiple nights in the same location.Your memory is faulty if you believe your bullshit that any shows were canceled due to poor ticket sales, that was something made up by delusional Slash fanboys such as yourself to make you feel better about your position in life.

Why do you make up your delusional belief that I'm ignoring anything when I have no need to cover anything up to protect my god like you do? You're the one that ignores facts to defend your 'black pubes hudsy' (to use an insult that you would be stupid enough to find clever as shit)?

Mexico and Australia are neither in Vegas or Brazil, but of course Deisel will ignore these facts.

Facts,

- I have just demonstrated that Slash plays arenas.

- Some of the Slash dates were sell outs, or near sell outs (I know the AL tour was sold out as I could not get tickets).

- When I saw Axl live in 2012, it was not a multiple night and the arena was only 2/3rds full.

- Axl dates have certainly been cancelled before due to poor sales, case in point, Albany, NY, November 2011. I think there are one or two others as well.

Back to the drawing board, Smooth.

yeah if my memory is correct i think the Biloxi show in 2011 was canceled because of low ticket sales and tickets were excepted in Nashville or Memphis the next night

[Damn_Smooth]

Are you incapable of understanding what you read? Nowhere did I say Axl's band was a success. You're flat out wrong about him being limited to Brazil and Vegas though seeing as he's been through Europe twice on the never-ending tour and outdrew Slash both times with the same set list and higher ticket prices. Same goes for North America where he outdrew Slash at way higher ticket prices on the UCAP leg of the never-ending tour. So in conclusion, Axl doing his absolute best to fail at everything is still ahead of a Slash that is doing his absolute best to succeed, which does indeed make Slash a massive failure of epic proportions whether your blind worship of him allows you to understand it or not.

And I could easily sell out European theaters if I was once famous for anything because those fools are second only to Brazillians for being easily impressed.

Wrong any every account. When was he last in Europe? 2012. I went! It was an arena tour - yes - but significant rows of sears were devoid of people (this was not the case when Axl last played the United Kingdom, in 2006). What is better, to play half empty arenas or sold out theaters? Axl has had gigs scheduled, cancelled in North America, due to poor ticket sales. I seem to recall a show in the north east of the United States or Canada being removed (I remember someone here travelling to it). The 'UCAP' was a charade, a smoke screen, window dressing to disguise flagging sales as an 'event'. I do not think I am that wrong when I say, the period 2013-14 has pretty much been, for Will Bailey, Brazil, Vegas, Brazil, Vegas...

Why do you ignore the fact that Slash was a club artist with Snakepit, yet is now a theater artist? Truth to inconvenient for your anti-Slash fanaticism?

PS

In fact, Slash is doing even better than I thought. I missed his last tour but, in the UK, Slash is essentially an arena artist. This is how much his star is brighter, than formally, based on venue capacity:

Snakepit Tour, UK, 2000

- Camden Underworld (500 capacity)

- Sheffield's, Corporation (1000 max - I was at this show)

Slash's last UK tour, 2014

- Manchester Arena (21,000)

- First Direct Arena, Birmingham (15, 643)

- Wembley Arena (12, 500)

- SSE Hydro, Glasgow (13, 000)

Still, Smooth will ignore these, facts.

Half filled arenas at higher ticket prices are better than full theaters at less cost, even though you conveniently ignore the fact that the only time anything was half full was when he was playing multiple nights in the same location.Your memory is faulty if you believe your bullshit that any shows were canceled due to poor ticket sales, that was something made up by delusional Slash fanboys such as yourself to make you feel better about your position in life.

Why do you make up your delusional belief that I'm ignoring anything when I have no need to cover anything up to protect my god like you do? You're the one that ignores facts to defend your 'black pubes hudsy' (to use an insult that you would be stupid enough to find clever as shit)?

Mexico and Australia are neither in Vegas or Brazil, but of course Deisel will ignore these facts.

Facts,

- I have just demonstrated that Slash plays arenas.

- Some of the Slash dates were sell outs, or near sell outs (I know the AL tour was sold out as I could not get tickets).

- When I saw Axl live in 2012, it was not a multiple night and the arena was only 2/3rds full.

- Axl dates have certainly been cancelled before due to poor sales, case in point, Albany, NY, November 2011. I think there are one or two others as well.

Back to the drawing board, Smooth.

Facts

1 or 2 sellouts in mini-Brazil in front of his home country does not come close to making up the difference in ticket prices.

You said shows were cancelled in '12-'13. To the best of my knowledge '11 doesn't fall in that time period. Neither does '10 when they were canceled in Uruguay.

I wouldn't take the word of a blind grey pubes saulsey fanboy about Axl's attendance.

Done drawing.

[DieselDaisy]

So we have now established that Slash plays arenas; Slash has had successful arena tours; Axl has had shows cancelled because of poor sales; Axl has played empty arenas that were not, multiple nights. Just what aspect of your original argument are you still clinging onto here, Smooth? Give it up. You have been pummeled in a debate. There is no shame in admitting defeat. You can find other things to rant about Hudson like his stupid new tattoo or his marriage breaking up.