The Boxing Thread

[DieselDaisy]

It is a valid point that boxing is always a bit of a disappointment compared to Balboa v Drago. 

[Len Cnut]

17 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

It is a valid point that boxing is always a bit of a disappointment compared to Balboa v Drago. 

I'm gonna post a couple of fights here to counter this:

 

 

 

I'd take each one of those over Drago Balboa

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

I'm gonna post a couple of fights here to counter this:

 

 

 

I'd take each one of those over Drago Balboa

The hits need to sound like gunshots. There needs to be slow motion shots with all the spittle and sweat flying. Defending is prohibited. And there needs to be mid-fight declamations such as, ''he is made of iron''.

It also helps if the fight brings down communism.

 

[Len Cnut]

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The hits need to sound like gunshots. There needs to be slow motion shots with all the spittle and sweat flying. Defending is prohibited

This is pretty much the pattern of the above fights

[DieselDaisy]

Dempsey v Tunney, sitting next to Al Capone. 

 

[Len Cnut]

9 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

For me it's Ali Vs Liston 2 It would be short lived but I have to put that conspiracy to bed in my own mind.

What went wrong in that fight is bad refereeing.  Here's the thing, Ali catches him with a weird odd shot that gets him in the temple while his head was down so he didn't see it.  What happened then was bad refereeing by former HW champ Jersey Joe Walcott, who I believe never officiated again, at least not on world level.  Ali starts jumping up and down and running around the ring mouthing off, at which point its the refs job to get him in a neutral corner and pick up the count.  Walcott can't control Ali and Liston is staying down, waiting to hear a count which he don't hear cuz Walcotts busy with Ali.  Then when he finally gets Ali back he picks up the count and Liston gets up in time.  At that point its Walcotts job to check Liston then say 'fight on', now in the middle of checking Liston, if you watch the video, Walcott just walks away from the action, leaving Ali and Liston standing there.  Left to their own devices they start fighting for a few seconds until Walcott comes back and calls the fight off, declaring Ali the winner.  Now the reason Walcott, very unprofessionally, walked away was because Nat Fleischer, editor of Ring Magazine and the official time keeper called Walcott over and was shouting 'THE COUNT IS TEN, THE COUNT IS TEN' to denote that Liston had been down for a 10 count, which is why Walcott then stopped the fight.

Basically a clusterfuck all round.

[Len Cnut]

 

But that is a clean shot...you see the punch connect, you see Listons head jerk on contact, you see Ali's chest muscles contracting on contact, there's no decent argument for their not being a punch.  Liston just didn't see it coming and not only that he was sort of lunging into it, all of this makes for a really clean shot.

[Len Cnut]

12 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

From what I gather it was a blatant fix I mean a world heavyweight title fight in pretty much a sports Gym? In front of a few thousand if that people?

 

Dodgey dodgey dodgey 

The fight was held in Lewiston Maine in an arena, it wasn't a sports gym, I think it was like a hockey rink or something, hockeys a big thing over there, I dunno.  The reason it was held there was because Ali had just announced he was a black muslim, Malcolm X had just been assassinated and basically nobody wanted to hold the fight, so they found this isolated outpost that would welcome the media attention, Ali was poison at that point, you can actually hear the crowd booing him when his name was announced.  I wouldn't completely discount the fix thing insofar as Liston was mob connected but they'd have to be some ballsy motherfuckers to even attempt a fix here, I mean the first one was investigated as a fix, Ali was a political hot potato at the time, then coupled with the threat of one or the other getting killed, which was real at the time, they'd have to be some serious nutters to try and fix it.  Then again Blinky Palermo and the various mobsters Liston was connected to were serious nutters. 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Len Cnut

[Len Cnut]

Liston gave Ali a slap once.  At a casino.  He was a mean motherfucker and was at the craps tables losing and then Ali started mouthing off shouting at him, doing all that 'big ugly bear' stuff so Liston slapped him and said, and I quote 'listen to me you fuckin' n!gger hooray for tolerance!, you get in my face one more time and I'll put you in the fuckin' ground'.  Apparently Ali retired sheepishly after that and to be honest I don't blame him

[DieselDaisy]

Didn't Ali turn up at Liston's house shouting things on his lawn?

[Len Cnut]

13 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Didn't Ali turn up at Liston's house shouting things on his lawn?

With a jar of honey and one of those fuckin' brace things, whatcha call em, I dunno, some bear trapping shit   In a coach no less

[Iron MikeyJ]

3 hours ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Right lads hypothetically if you could og back in time and sit in the audience for 1 fight and 1 fight only what fight is it?

 

For me it's Ali Vs Liston 2 It would be short lived but I have to put that conspiracy to bed in my own mind.

 

@Iron MikeyJ Yours I assume would be a Tyson fight but what 1? 

Tyson vs Ruddock 1 or 2 (although I would probably pick 2 over 1). But those are my favorite 2 fights ever. Not knocking Ali or anyone to come before (or after for that matter), but even the Thrilla in Minilla and rumble in the jungle seem boring to me compared to those two Tyson fights. 

Mike had better performances, yes. But if I'm honest, if I'm gonna see any fight EVER live and in person, I wouldn't want to watch Tyson level Spinks or someone else in rounds 1-3. So that also why I would choose those fights. 

Even though I technically picked 2 (and I was asked for 1 and 1 only, lol). As an interesting side note I would pick Tyson vs Holyfield 1 as my 3rd choice. Although I would try and slip Mike a note (like in Back to the Future), and tell him "Box the man, dont head hunt him, dont try and overwhelm him with your power. Use your head movement and show him you are the better BOXER, not the harder puncher. If you do that, you'll beat him and your legacy will be different." 

[Iron MikeyJ]

My thoughts on Ali vs Listpn 2...

It wasnt a phantom punch, Ali hit him, and hit him pretty hard. Could Liston gotten up? Yes, but he wanted out. He probably bet on Ali to win himself, and got a pay day. I dont take anything away from Ali for it though, Liston didn't know how to handle that kind or "crazy."

[Len Cnut]

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Even though I technically picked 2 (and I was asked for 1 and 1 only, lol). As an interesting side note I would pick Tyson vs Holyfield 1 as my 3rd choice. Although I would try and slip Mike a note (like in Back to the Future), and tell him "Box the man, dont head hunt him, dont try and overwhelm him with your power. Use your head movement and show him you are the better BOXER, not the harder puncher. If you do that, you'll beat him and your legacy will be different." 

The reason he was head-hunting was cuz his head movement was gone by that point.  If I had the back to the future machine I'd go to the late 80s and tell him to stop being a cunt and train properly.  Quite frankly from the first Bruno fight onwards he was really feeling himself and his power and reputation and was just looking to bang people the fuck out.  The sad truth is in the state he was he could've never beaten Holyfield.  It just wasn't there anymore with him.  

[Len Cnut]

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Right lads hypothetically if you could og back in time and sit in the audience for 1 fight and 1 fight only what fight is it?

Ali Frazier, first fight.  Fuckin' Frank Sinatra, Woody Allen, John and Yoko all in the crowd, Burt Lancaster commentating, Kenny Norton in the crowd...and aside from all that celeb bullshit it was one of the greatest fights that ever was.  Mike Tyson too, any fight simply because its just a childhood dream.  Preferably pre-Holyfield fights.  One of the greatest buzzes of my childhood was those few little moments before one of his fights, when Michael Buffer got on it, I was a kid at the time and it was the wee hours of the morning but you'd feel SOOO fuckin' awake, buzzin', it was just the coolest thing.  Ali Liston I would be a good shout too, that was some historic shit.  Then any Ali fight between Zora Folley and the second Liston fight, just to see Ali in that bouncing prime.  Dempsey vs Firpo, just for that back and forth excitement.  I'd have to not know the result though.  

[Len Cnut]

 

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[Len Cnut]

Gervonta Davis takes on Abner Mares in the new year, that should be a good fight, a real test for Tank Davis, let see how he gets on, being Mayweathers boy and all.

[Len Cnut]

 

[moreblack]

Jesus what was that? I know he's always yelling about easy money but...

[Len Cnut]

Its only an exhibition fight, i dont see why everyones making such a fuss I mean, have you seen many exhibition fights?  I’ve never seen them be made such a fuss of before now, theres one of Ali fighting an NFL player out there whilst about a stone over his fighting weight, its just a chance for a bunch of rich Japanese people to cop an eyeful of the greatest boxer of his generation, they are not supposed to be competitive and theres a reason why they don’t get listed on a fighters pro record.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Len Cnut

[moreblack]

So are exhibition fights fake?

[Len Cnut]

12 minutes ago, moreblack said:

So are exhibition fights fake?

They’re not fights as such, they are an exhibition of skills, a public sparring session, its just the names involved are such that people flock to see them for the sake of seeing the big noise who the exhibition was set around, Bruce Lee is an example, those demos he did at Long Beach, its almost that kind of principle.  The fact that Floyd took it upon himself to wipe this boy out in the first round is kinda bad sport on his part, you’re just supposed to let a few jabs go, move around the ring, showcase a little of something without really digging your heels in.  Its certainly not a competitive fight and doesn’t masquerade as one to where you could say there is some subterfuge going on which would then put it in the category of fake or fixed.  The only thing remarkable about this fight is the money Floyd is getting and the only reason he’s getting that money is cuz its in Japan, a country fond of its contact sports and as such a good market, otherwise Floyds not likely to get 9 figures for knocking some little boy around here in the west.

its like Ali v Inoki (an extreme example), Ali v the NFL guy, those ones Mike Tyson did in Vegas, those 3 rounders, the ones Ray Leonard did on those cruiseliners, they’re certainly not real fights.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Len Cnut

[moreblack]

So Floyd pushed the gas too much with this kid when he had no reason to?

[Len Cnut]

15 minutes ago, moreblack said:

So Floyd pushed the gas too much with this kid when he had no reason to?

Basically yeah, didnt even push the gas, its that much of a mis-match...but exhibition matches generally are.  Quite frankly he never really pushed the gas with McGregor either but they had to make that one look reasonably competitive of they would’ve hung em from the rafters.  He just knew a) he couldnt punch and b) he’d be blowing out of his arse inside 4 rounds.

But watch the fight, Floyds laughing at this kid, look at his face.  Was a bit out of order really, at least by my reckoning.  For a start the kids about 2 weight divisions below Floyd, if Floyd had sat down on his shots he could’ve knocked him senseless.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Len Cnut