parisrocks Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Reading Marc Canter's book, I saw quotes from then management saying that Guns received an unprecedented 6 album deal.Does anyone have the details of this contract? You'd think it'd be a matter of public record. I wanna know if it was 6 studio albums, I wanna know if Lies counts toward the album count as an EP, I wanna know what Live Era and GH's count toward, and I wanna know if the contract survived all the record company mergers and the statute of limitations?1. Appetite2. Lies3. Illusion 14. Illusion 25. Spaghetti6. Chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Jay Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I believe Lies doesn't count, neither Live Era and GH.But there's still the possibility of contract modifications over time, the deal may have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dando Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I believe Lies doesn't count, neither Live Era and GH.But there's still the possibility of contract modifications over time, the deal may have changed.Lies, live era and the live Vegas 2012 cd won't count, I'm sure after chinese came out there was something about gnr not having a record label deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 AFDLies (contains original songs and regarded as a full length album)UYI (for one record not two)TSI? (i'm doubtful because it doesnt contain a single original song and somewhat part of the UYI saga)CDProbably the other releases (Live Era, GH, Vegas DVD) are some part of the deal too...Nobody knows really, we have heard a lot of specualtion about this but never a full official standpoint (probably because the deal changed from time to time, idk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's pure speculation, I don't think anyone here knows for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 That was the original 1986 deal but the problem is that they were renegotiating their contract 1991-2, and then Axl took over the band and presumably renegotiation took place as it was a new band. Then there were negotiations on CD, from around 1997 onwards. We do not have the facts of the negotiations so basically, we don't know! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jesus Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 GN'R would probably do better under its own label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) On my count for album releases (including EP)AFDLies (this was a legitimate release and it was successful, but does it count)UYI I & II (1 record)TSI (this one I'm not sure)Chinese.They still owe more records but... I highly doubt that they will release 2 to 3 more albums of original music. Edited March 9, 2015 by Tom2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixes Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Why would a covers album not count? It's still an album that was released commercially.What if you're a band or singer that doesn't write their own songs or music? Wouldn't whatever album they released count towards their contract?And live albums are a quick and easy way for a lot of bands to fulfill their contracts. Some bands have a falling out with their record label and refuse to submit anything new so they compromise and release a live album or a greatest hits album to fulfill their album quota. Edited March 9, 2015 by Sixes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I dont know about the 6 Album contract, but Geffen/Universal did put a lot of money on CD in 1997 to 2000, they wanted it to be released in 1999 or 2000, but Axl kept on delaying, so why dint Geffen sue Axl for delaying so much? I guess a Record company tells a band to release an album every 3 or 4 years, I know in some bands this is not the Case like AC/DC released an Album after 7 yearsSo well dint Geffen had the right to sue Axl for delaying and not releasing when they put so much money on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I thought GNR owed 1 more album to the label and that was why they rejected the second album in 2011 because they want a reunion album. Sounds like nonsense to me but interesting rumor either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbhutto Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 GN'R would probably do better under its own label.Couldn't get much worse lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlISTHEMAN Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 On my count for album releases (including EP)AFDLies (this was a legitimate release and it was successful, but does it count)UYI I & II (1 record)TSI (this one I'm not sure)Chinese.They still owe more records but... I highly doubt that they will release 2 to 3 more albums of original music.They have already announced CD 2 and CD 1 remix. One album with original work and another with remix from last album. I don't expect them to have a Chinese democracy 3 or 4 but I DO except a CD 2 and remix album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for Uni 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It used to matter if an artist owed an album. If an artist failed, they dropped them from the label and either released the tapes or kept the tapes and would sell them back for a ridiculous amount of money. Universal controls the publishing anyway so the back catalog's all in house. I still think the A4D DVD opened the discusssion to new GNR music. Odds are the remix will be fan club released and people would get their membership buying it. It's better than a laminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for UniIncluding Chinese, or two after Chinese? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Słash Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It used to matter if an artist owed an album. If an artist failed, they dropped them from the label and either released the tapes or kept the tapes and would sell them back for a ridiculous amount of money. Universal controls the publishing anyway so the back catalog's all in house. I still think the A4D DVD opened the discusssion to new GNR music. Odds are the remix will be fan club released and people would get their membership buying it. It's better than a laminate. So whatever sales A4D DVD does will go to the former members who contributed? Ashba only contributed to Ballad of Death and nothing else, who decides how much % will go to whom cause the songs are from Appetite and UYI and CD, its a mix of 3 albums, so who decides that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It used to matter if an artist owed an album. If an artist failed, they dropped them from the label and either released the tapes or kept the tapes and would sell them back for a ridiculous amount of money. Universal controls the publishing anyway so the back catalog's all in house. I still think the A4D DVD opened the discusssion to new GNR music. Odds are the remix will be fan club released and people would get their membership buying it. It's better than a laminate. So whatever sales A4D DVD does will go to the former members who contributed? Ashba only contributed to Ballad of Death and nothing else, who decides how much % will go to whom cause the songs are from Appetite and UYI and CD, its a mix of 3 albums, so who decides that? Publishing royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Slash and Duff might get a little more because there's still a partnership with them and Axl but Slash couldn't release the GNR songs in America when he put Stoke out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for UniIncluding Chinese, or two after Chinese?After Chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for UniIncluding Chinese, or two after Chinese? After ChineseInteresting. Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for UniIncluding Chinese, or two after Chinese? After ChineseInteresting. Thanks for the info!That's ok. It is not new info though. It has been mentioned before Edited March 10, 2015 by Mysteron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I am guessing from what Merck said back in the day that Guns still need to do two new albums for UniIncluding Chinese, or two after Chinese? After ChineseInteresting. Thanks for the info! That's ok. It is not new info though. It has been mentioned beforeIt was new to me at least ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleep Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Greatest Hits album was definitely included. I believe the label released it without Axl and co's permission because they were owed another album hence the lack of input from the three musketeers on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parisrocks Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Great point. Duh! I shoulda realized that. It's the whole reason there was a Greatest Hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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