Satanic Baphomet statue unvealed in Detroit

[Iron MikeyJ]

As someone that lives in the state that this statue is in, I can honestly say this whole thing really bothers me. Not only am I against the statue, but the whole idea behind Satanism I find to be very unsetteling. I know their are different kinds of satanists, so I'm not trying to generalize the whole group, but I really have to ask wtf and why? I can accept someone being an atheist, but Satanism? Really?

I was reading fb comments the other day about this statue, and a woman for on there preaching the wonders of satanism. I proceeded to click on her profile and check her out. She is a married woman with 2 children, which really upset me. I know many people on here find religion to be a joke, and I accept their opinions. But having said that, teaching your children to be little satanists seems very wrong to me. Even if this woman isn't teaching the per say, I'm sure her beliefs are spilling over on her kids.

I just find the idea of someone being so far against Christianity and all other religions so far that they identify themselves as satanists to me that is very revealing about themselves. Think about it, if you believe in the idea of good and evil, yet you choose the side of evil, how can I respect anything about you? To me, Evil is murder, rape, torture, pain, etc. For an individual to choose that side, wow. Now I know not all satanists condone rape and murder. But to them I would say "you are choosing the side of the quote unquote master of evil, how can you honestly not also support the evil that man does? Imo that's like a crack head talking about a meth head. It's just hard for me to understand how a "religion" could condone the evil that man does, all while worshipping supernatural evil.

[Len Cnut]

As someone that lives in the state that this statue is in, I can honestly say this whole thing really bothers me. Not only am I against the statue, but the whole idea behind Satanism I find to be very unsetteling. I know their are different kinds of satanists, so I'm not trying to generalize the whole group, but I really have to ask wtf and why? I can accept someone being an atheist, but Satanism? Really?

I was reading fb comments the other day about this statue, and a woman for on there preaching the wonders of satanism. I proceeded to click on her profile and check her out. She is a married woman with 2 children, which really upset me. I know many people on here find religion to be a joke, and I accept their opinions. But having said that, teaching your children to be little satanists seems very wrong to me. Even if this woman isn't teaching the per say, I'm sure her beliefs are spilling over on her kids.

I just find the idea of someone being so far against Christianity and all other religions so far that they identify themselves as satanists to me that is very revealing about themselves. Think about it, if you believe in the idea of good and evil, yet you choose the side of evil, how can I respect anything about you? To me, Evil is murder, rape, torture, pain, etc. For an individual to choose that side, wow. Now I know not all satanists condone rape and murder. But to them I would say "you are choosing the side of the quote unquote master of evil, how can you honestly not also support the evil that man does? Imo that's like a crack head talking about a meth head. It's just hard for me to understand how a "religion" could condone the evil that man does, all while worshipping supernatural evil.

As far as their religion they say like, it's about indulgence instead of abstinence. So uh...just like normal life then? They don't choose evil, it's just a bunch of bullshit posturing, put em in a room, start slapping em around, see how long they believe in evil, it's just ridiculous middle class mindgames, no one believes in evil.

So satanists get burgled and they go 'well good for them, i see evil is rife, muwahahaha, i now have no stereo, praise Satan!' i don't find it unsettling, i find it hilairious. Sort of like Wiccans. 'I'm a witch!', oh yeah, here's a fuckin' broom then, go on, away you go, lets see ya then!'

Edited July 28, 2015 by Len B'stard

[moreblack]

As someone that lives in the state that this statue is in, I can honestly say this whole thing really bothers me. Not only am I against the statue, but the whole idea behind Satanism I find to be very unsetteling. I know their are different kinds of satanists, so I'm not trying to generalize the whole group, but I really have to ask wtf and why? I can accept someone being an atheist, but Satanism? Really?

I was reading fb comments the other day about this statue, and a woman for on there preaching the wonders of satanism. I proceeded to click on her profile and check her out. She is a married woman with 2 children, which really upset me. I know many people on here find religion to be a joke, and I accept their opinions. But having said that, teaching your children to be little satanists seems very wrong to me. Even if this woman isn't teaching the per say, I'm sure her beliefs are spilling over on her kids.

I just find the idea of someone being so far against Christianity and all other religions so far that they identify themselves as satanists to me that is very revealing about themselves. Think about it, if you believe in the idea of good and evil, yet you choose the side of evil, how can I respect anything about you? To me, Evil is murder, rape, torture, pain, etc. For an individual to choose that side, wow. Now I know not all satanists condone rape and murder. But to them I would say "you are choosing the side of the quote unquote master of evil, how can you honestly not also support the evil that man does? Imo that's like a crack head talking about a meth head. It's just hard for me to understand how a "religion" could condone the evil that man does, all while worshipping supernatural evil.

As far as their religion they say like, it's about indulgence instead of abstinence. So uh...just like normal life then? They don't choose evil, it's just a bunch of bullshit posturing, put em in a room, start slapping em around, see how long they believe in evil, it's just ridiculous middle class mindgames, no one believes in evil.

So satanists get burgled and they go 'well good for them, i see evil is rife, muwahahaha, i now have no stereo, praise Satan!' i don't find it unsettling, i find it hilairious. Sort of like Wiccans. 'I'm a witch!', oh yeah, here's a fuckin' broom then, go on, away you go, lets see ya then!'

And it's not like it's only them doing all the killing and the other evil stuff either.

[Len Cnut]

As someone that lives in the state that this statue is in, I can honestly say this whole thing really bothers me. Not only am I against the statue, but the whole idea behind Satanism I find to be very unsetteling. I know their are different kinds of satanists, so I'm not trying to generalize the whole group, but I really have to ask wtf and why? I can accept someone being an atheist, but Satanism? Really?

I was reading fb comments the other day about this statue, and a woman for on there preaching the wonders of satanism. I proceeded to click on her profile and check her out. She is a married woman with 2 children, which really upset me. I know many people on here find religion to be a joke, and I accept their opinions. But having said that, teaching your children to be little satanists seems very wrong to me. Even if this woman isn't teaching the per say, I'm sure her beliefs are spilling over on her kids.

I just find the idea of someone being so far against Christianity and all other religions so far that they identify themselves as satanists to me that is very revealing about themselves. Think about it, if you believe in the idea of good and evil, yet you choose the side of evil, how can I respect anything about you? To me, Evil is murder, rape, torture, pain, etc. For an individual to choose that side, wow. Now I know not all satanists condone rape and murder. But to them I would say "you are choosing the side of the quote unquote master of evil, how can you honestly not also support the evil that man does? Imo that's like a crack head talking about a meth head. It's just hard for me to understand how a "religion" could condone the evil that man does, all while worshipping supernatural evil.

As far as their religion they say like, it's about indulgence instead of abstinence. So uh...just like normal life then? They don't choose evil, it's just a bunch of bullshit posturing, put em in a room, start slapping em around, see how long they believe in evil, it's just ridiculous middle class mindgames, no one believes in evil.

So satanists get burgled and they go 'well good for them, i see evil is rife, muwahahaha, i now have no stereo, praise Satan!' i don't find it unsettling, i find it hilairious. Sort of like Wiccans. 'I'm a witch!', oh yeah, here's a fuckin' broom then, go on, away you go, lets see ya then!'

And it's not like it's only them doing all the killing and the other evil stuff either.

Exactly, i find the governments we vote in a lot scarier than a bunch of metallers in one room flat with a red lightbulb in, listening to Slayer and watching Hammer Horror movies Goin' out and vandalising tombstones at night or whatever. There's more people getting turned over in the name of Jesus and Allah and that than there are over Satan I'll bet. I see what Mikeys saying, bit creepy and that...but only if you take it seriously.

Behind these ideas and images we have in our heads folks are just folks and like, a bloke dressed from head to toe in black with fucked up eyeball contacts in and sullen eyes that worships Satan is, when you get rid of all the costume, is just a bloke called Gerald who went to a different school to you or something. Point being we're all human underneath all the bollocks, there's no one to be afraid of in life, not really.

Edited July 28, 2015 by Len B'stard

[moreblack]

As someone that lives in the state that this statue is in, I can honestly say this whole thing really bothers me. Not only am I against the statue, but the whole idea behind Satanism I find to be very unsetteling. I know their are different kinds of satanists, so I'm not trying to generalize the whole group, but I really have to ask wtf and why? I can accept someone being an atheist, but Satanism? Really?

I was reading fb comments the other day about this statue, and a woman for on there preaching the wonders of satanism. I proceeded to click on her profile and check her out. She is a married woman with 2 children, which really upset me. I know many people on here find religion to be a joke, and I accept their opinions. But having said that, teaching your children to be little satanists seems very wrong to me. Even if this woman isn't teaching the per say, I'm sure her beliefs are spilling over on her kids.

I just find the idea of someone being so far against Christianity and all other religions so far that they identify themselves as satanists to me that is very revealing about themselves. Think about it, if you believe in the idea of good and evil, yet you choose the side of evil, how can I respect anything about you? To me, Evil is murder, rape, torture, pain, etc. For an individual to choose that side, wow. Now I know not all satanists condone rape and murder. But to them I would say "you are choosing the side of the quote unquote master of evil, how can you honestly not also support the evil that man does? Imo that's like a crack head talking about a meth head. It's just hard for me to understand how a "religion" could condone the evil that man does, all while worshipping supernatural evil.

As far as their religion they say like, it's about indulgence instead of abstinence. So uh...just like normal life then? They don't choose evil, it's just a bunch of bullshit posturing, put em in a room, start slapping em around, see how long they believe in evil, it's just ridiculous middle class mindgames, no one believes in evil.

So satanists get burgled and they go 'well good for them, i see evil is rife, muwahahaha, i now have no stereo, praise Satan!' i don't find it unsettling, i find it hilairious. Sort of like Wiccans. 'I'm a witch!', oh yeah, here's a fuckin' broom then, go on, away you go, lets see ya then!'

And it's not like it's only them doing all the killing and the other evil stuff either.

Exactly, i find the governments we vote in a lot scarier than a bunch of metallers in one room flat with a red lightbulb in, listening to Slayer and watching Hammer Horror movies Goin' out and vandalising tombstones at night or whatever.

Yeah, somehow it's the ones that think they're doing the greatest good, that are the most evil. But are still seen as heros by some.

[Len Cnut]

Also Michael, as a Zep fan i thought you'd be alright with all that. I mean I'm not a Zep specialist but they were into all that Crowley bollocks, weren't they?

On an aside, i was reading in John Lydons biography that Bonzo used to record his drums in a stone cottage, how cool is that? No wonder they sound so fuckin'...like...strong and dense and reverberative.

[DieselDaisy]

Hey, keep Hammer Horror out of this.

[moreblack]

Also Michael, as a Zep fan i thought you'd be alright with all that. I mean I'm not a Zep specialist but they were into all that Crowley bollocks, weren't they?

On an aside, i was reading in John Lydons biography that Bonzo used to record his drums in a stone cottage, how cool is that? No wonder they sound so fuckin'...like...strong and dense and reverberative.

Page was the one into the Crowley stuff, the other guys didn't really care. Bonzo and Plant were just working class guys and Jones was a family man.

BUT if any band could preach about indulgence instead of abstinence with the clout and budget to match, it's probably them.

As for the drums, not quite a stone cottage, but here's where the Levee Breaks drums were recorded:

[classicrawker]

I think George pretty much nails it in these two videos

[classicrawker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn1nvw-c9kQ

[Iron MikeyJ]

I know Page was into a lot of that stuff, and that's his peragative. I learned a while ago to separate my own personal beliefs from those of my favorite musicans, if I hadn't I would be shacking up with some brazialian nany, right?lol.

But as for this topic, as you guys have said, and I have read elsewhere that a lot of satanism is just about abundunce, do what you want, rebellion, and what not. Which is all fine with me, but why associate with Satan is my question? That's where they lose me. If you are going to sit in a dark room listening to slayer, than whatever man. But if you are congregating with fellow "Satanist", wearing pigs and goat masks, and sacrficing goats and drinking the blood, well that is some weird Shit imo. Also, as I said before, if you are a mother and are raising children in this atmosphere, isn't that even more perverted than anything organized religions have to offer? But they sit around and mock organized religion, yet they practice this Shit? Seems very hypocritical imo.

There seems to be two separate forms of sataninst, those that are really atheists that for some reason disguise themselves as sataniats, which I don't understand. IMO that's the same as being an athestis but claiming to be cathloc. Then their are the true goat sacrificing, devil worshippers. Which those kind are unearving imo. But it's really the first group that I don't understand.

Having said all of this, I am not denying they have the right to exist, and practice whatever they want to practice. My problem tends to stem from the fact that they are making this big stance at the moment. Its just more of this "accept everybody" crap that's going on these days. This is an example of pushing the envelope, just to push the envelope. What happened to being told no?

Edited July 28, 2015 by Iron MikeyJ

[bran]

I think George pretty much nails it in these two videos

carlin was a wise man, world would have been better off with a couple of hundred million like him.

[classicrawker]

I know Page was into a lot of that stuff, and that's his peragative. I learned a while ago to separate my own personal beliefs from those of my favorite musicans, if I hadn't I would be shacking up with some brazialian nany, right?lol.

But as for this topic, as you guys have said, and I have read elsewhere that a lot of satanism is just about abundunce, do what you want, rebellion, and what not. Which is all fine with me, but why associate with Satan is my question? That's where they lose me. If you are going to sit in a dark room listening to slayer, than whatever man. But if you are congregating with fellow "Satanist", wearing pigs and goat masks, and sacrficing goats and drinking the blood, well that is some weird Shit imo. Also, as I said before, if you are a mother and are raising children in this atmosphere, isn't that even more perverted than anything organized religions have to offer? But they sit around and mock organized religion, yet they practice this Shit? Seems very hypocritical imo.

There seems to be two separate forms of sataninst, those that are really atheists that for some reason disguise themselves as sataniats, which I don't understand. IMO that's the same as being an athestis but claiming to be cathloc. Then their are the true goat sacrificing, devil worshippers. Which those kind are unearving imo. But it's really the first group that I don't understand.

Having said all of this, I am not denying they have the right to exist, and practice whatever they want to practice. My problem tends to stem from the fact that they are making this big stance at the moment. Its just more of this "accept everybody" crap that's going on these days. This is an example of pushing the envelope, just to push the envelope. What happened to being told no?

Is it any weirder then eating a piece of bread and drinking wine claiming it is the body and blood of Christ? or that birth control and premarital sex is a verboten.

Or worst of all that being Gay is evil yet your priests are buggering alter boys and your church covers it up?

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones yes?

I have no dog in this fight, as I am an atheist, but I find it very odd that some here are against Satanists practicing their religion. And with all due respect Mikey on one hand you claim to be tolerant to their religion and then go on to criticize it and infer some should just say no to that practice?

[DieselDaisy]

But satanism is not a religion. It is merely a bunch of Slayer fans tossing themselves off.

[moreblack]

But satanism is not a religion. It is merely a bunch of Slayer fans tossing themselves off.

Thing is, we can make that sort of sweeping dismissive statement, about pretty much any religion we don't get.

[classicrawker]

But satanism is not a religion. It is merely a bunch of Slayer fans tossing themselves off.

It is not a religion according to whom exactly? WHo gets to determeine what is and what is not a religion?

If Mormonism and Scientology are considered a religion why would Satanism not be considered a religion.

And DD with all due respect the Christian religion and the Bible are no less silly than what the Satanists practice IMHO.

I was raised Catholic and was a church goer until I was 16 yrs old. had my first communion and confirmation and suffered though Saturday catechism having a nun pound the bible into my young head so Christians have no right to criticize how others worship their imaginery deities.

You mentioned believers tossing themselves about?

[DieselDaisy]

It is simple to answer that. Christianity, for instance, is built upon two thousand years of canonical texts, council creeds and edicts. Satanism is a spotty kid with a copy of Reign in Blood and Number of the Beast. Satanism is also deliberately inflammatory, by essentially taking the Abrahamic concept of evil and choosing to worship that (rather than the Abrahamic concept of good) in order to create a rhetorical and controversial point and look ''far out dude''. They probably look at their smelly BO infected Metallica shirts - shit, I'm sounding like Len - and going, ''dude, skulls and blood. Devil rawks dude''.

It is just a load of spotty metal kids basically.

[moreblack]

We're already starting on a false premise of what it is or isn't. That sounds like the cartoon version.

Edited July 28, 2015 by moreblack

[Bumblefeet]

I don't know enough of satanic cults and their followers but I do feel the whole "satanic" metal culture as well as horror movies following "The Exorcist" was sort of a counterculture thing with artists rebelling against Christianity and its rules and beliefs by creating satanic myth and folklore that had similar "rules" and even morale. Gothic horror like Hellraiser with Pinhead as an anti-jesus with his apostles. So much horror culture had that Christian influence that looking back at it, it comes across rather silly and dated (thankfully).

I think this Baphomet statue thing is foremost a form of trolling as it originated from wanting to place that statue next to one with the ten commandments, pushing the freedom of religion and condemning the government for having allowed a religious statue there in the first place. It's meant to piss off those idiotic religious committees and honestly idiots who like to enforce their message but are not tolerant for that of others. So in a sense that statue of Baphomet is more an art piece created to provoke and question rule of law and freedom of speech rather than be taken all that serious. The more conservative and extreme a religion is in a country, the more extreme the metal music will get (look at the scandinavian countries where they've even burned down churches lol).

Still, looking at the statue I like it. I'd put it on a tourist brochure and would visit it if I was in the neighborhood.

[classicrawker]

It is simple to answer that. Christianity, for instance, is built upon two thousand years of canonical texts, council creeds and edicts. Satanism is a spotty kid with a copy of Reign in Blood and Number of the Beast. Satanism is also deliberately inflammatory, by essentially taking the Abrahamic concept of evil and choosing to worship that (rather than the Abrahamic concept of good) in order to create a rhetorical and controversial point and look ''far out dude''. They probably look at their smelly BO infected Metallica shirts - shit, I'm sounding like Len - and going, ''dude, skulls and blood. Devil rawks dude''.

It is just a load of spotty metal kids basically.

I don't pretend to understand your intolerance to those who don't share your beliefs and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but why do you care as they are not impacting your life? Why do some Christians feel the need to dictate how others live their lives when it has no direct impact on them?

Edited July 28, 2015 by classicrawker

[Apollo]

It is simple to answer that. Christianity, for instance, is built upon two thousand years of canonical texts, council creeds and edicts. Satanism is a spotty kid with a copy of Reign in Blood and Number of the Beast. Satanism is also deliberately inflammatory, by essentially taking the Abrahamic concept of evil and choosing to worship that (rather than the Abrahamic concept of good) in order to create a rhetorical and controversial point and look ''far out dude''. They probably look at their smelly BO infected Metallica shirts - shit, I'm sounding like Len - and going, ''dude, skulls and blood. Devil rawks dude''.

It is just a load of spotty metal kids basically.

I don't pretend to understand your intolerance to those who don't share your beliefs and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but why do you care as they are not impacting your life? Why do some Christians feel the need to dictate how others live their lives when it has no direct impact on them?

Don't you have a bit of intolerance towards those who don't share your beliefs in gay marriage or in the belief of Christianity? And you are a pretty big basher of republicans on here as well.

So why would it be OK for you to bash and mock ideas/people you don't believe in?

If some guy who lives in Idaho believes in God, doesn't believe in gay marriage and thinks Reagan was a better president than Obama.......how does that impact your life?

You do just want the Christians are doing. But for them it's "then dictating" to others what to do. But when you do it.........it's just you sharing your belief, which you feel strongly is right?

I guess I don't get the double standard.

[DieselDaisy]

I don't pretend to understand your intolerance to those who don't share your beliefs and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but why do you care as they are not impacting your life? Why do some Christians feel the need to dictate how others live their lives when it has no direct impact on them?

They want to unveil the eyesore in Arkansas State Capitol next to the (Christian) Ten Commandments which is a public place and deliberately controversial. I'm merely commenting on it, on the ridiculousness of the movement and the statue. I mean I'm not that bothered if it is any consolation; I do not live in Detroit after all; I would be more inclined to get care more about the cricket results.

[bran]

I don't know enough of satanic cults and their followers but I do feel the whole "satanic" metal culture as well as horror movies following "The Exorcist" was sort of a counterculture thing with artists rebelling against Christianity and its rules and beliefs by creating satanic myth and folklore that had similar "rules" and even morale. Gothic horror like Hellraiser with Pinhead as an anti-jesus with his apostles. So much horror culture had that Christian influence that looking back at it, it comes across rather silly and dated (thankfully).

I think this Baphomet statue thing is foremost a form of trolling as it originated from wanting to place that statue next to one with the ten commandments, pushing the freedom of religion and condemning the government for having allowed a religious statue there in the first place. It's meant to piss off those idiotic religious committees and honestly idiots who like to enforce their message but are not tolerant for that of others. So in a sense that statue of Baphomet is more an art piece created to provoke and question rule of law and freedom of speech rather than be taken all that serious. The more conservative and extreme a religion is in a country, the more extreme the metal music will get (look at the scandinavian countries where they've even burned down churches lol).

Still, looking at the statue I like it. I'd put it on a tourist brochure and would visit it if I was in the neighborhood.

This 100%

[classicrawker]

It is simple to answer that. Christianity, for instance, is built upon two thousand years of canonical texts, council creeds and edicts. Satanism is a spotty kid with a copy of Reign in Blood and Number of the Beast. Satanism is also deliberately inflammatory, by essentially taking the Abrahamic concept of evil and choosing to worship that (rather than the Abrahamic concept of good) in order to create a rhetorical and controversial point and look ''far out dude''. They probably look at their smelly BO infected Metallica shirts - shit, I'm sounding like Len - and going, ''dude, skulls and blood. Devil rawks dude''.

It is just a load of spotty metal kids basically.

I don't pretend to understand your intolerance to those who don't share your beliefs and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but why do you care as they are not impacting your life? Why do some Christians feel the need to dictate how others live their lives when it has no direct impact on them?

Don't you have a bit of intolerance towards those who don't share your beliefs in gay marriage or in the belief of Christianity? And you are a pretty big basher of republicans on here as well.

So why would it be OK for you to bash and mock ideas/people you don't believe in?

If some guy who lives in Idaho believes in God, doesn't believe in gay marriage and thinks Reagan was a better president than Obama.......how does that impact your life?

You do just want the Christians are doing. But for them it's "then dictating" to others what to do. But when you do it.........it's just you sharing your belief, which you feel strongly is right?

I guess I don't get the double standard.

I respect others opinions even if I don't agree with them Apollo. When we discuss politics it is nothing but a fun give and take for me and both sides are guilty of insulting the other side.

The difference is I don't want to control what other do when it has no impact on me while some of the Christians don't want gay marriage, abortion, and other religions like Satanism when it has not impact on their lives.

I respect DD's right to mock Satanism but this idea that they should not practice their religion is intolerant as it has not impact on his life as he is not forced to practice this.

I don't pretend to understand your intolerance to those who don't share your beliefs and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but why do you care as they are not impacting your life? Why do some Christians feel the need to dictate how others live their lives when it has no direct impact on them?

They want to unveil the eyesore in Arkansas State Capitol next to the (Christian) Ten Commandments which is a public place and deliberately controversial. I'm merely commenting on it, on the ridiculousness of the movement and the statue. I mean I'm not that bothered if it is any consolation; I do not live in Detroit after all; I would be more inclined to get care more about the cricket results.

Fair enough. Just to show you I am impartial I don't think either religious symbol should be displayed in a Government facility as I believe in separation of Church and State but have no problem with display in a non government public setting.

Cricket? I believe I ate some of those roasted on my last trip to Asia. Pretty tasty one you get past the legs.

[bran]

just reading this thread a lot of people take the black metal/metal satanist stuff way too literally and never went into what it was really about it in the first place(outside of bumblefeet)

also as for CR and his political discussion, me and him have had some good debates about stuff and it has always been civil with both us and we even agreed on quite a few things and if not at least saw where we were coming from.

Edited July 28, 2015 by bran