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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.

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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.

But thats sort of an 'if my Auntie had bollocks' type of argument isnt it? The Stones didnt just have stamina and resilience, they also kept up a high level of quality over a long period of time with consistent releases, you can apply that 'if' to any band in musical history that ever released a couple of very good albums and put them up there with The Stones, it wont wash though.

All this could've been would've been bollocks, you are what you are, you're judged on what you achieve and what didn't happen simply didn't happen, end of, there is no indication GnR could've been anything like The Stones, quite frankly they didn't show anything like the prodigious talent required, on ANY level. First of all output of top end tunes, where are they, bearing in mind the volume that The Stones chucked em out at? Exactly, fucking nowhere. The Stones were finely tuned to groove, GnR weren't, and thats a fundamental really, GnR leaned towards a kind of a Metal sensibility, which immediately disqualifies them really.

They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

No groove on songs like Brownstone or the second half of Lies? When a band has Patience, Locomotive, Sweet Child O Mine, November Rain, and You Could Be Mine in their repertoire its safe to say they are a jack of all trades. Your comments would be more apropos of Motley Crue and not a band like GnR.

Thats my point though, its just a couple of songs, they generally tended to lean towards a more Metal type feel.

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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.

But thats sort of an 'if my Auntie had bollocks' type of argument isnt it? The Stones didnt just have stamina and resilience, they also kept up a high level of quality over a long period of time with consistent releases, you can apply that 'if' to any band in musical history that ever released a couple of very good albums and put them up there with The Stones, it wont wash though.

I understood this question as "if GN'R hadn't broken apart, could they have become the new Stones", not "if they hadn't broken apart AND been massively more talented" :D In my opinion the answer is yes to that first question. I feel the talent was so strong that they easily could have rivalled the Stones today. If they had only kept it together. So there is a small if, but still things to discuss.

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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.
But thats sort of an 'if my Auntie had bollocks' type of argument isnt it? The Stones didnt just have stamina and resilience, they also kept up a high level of quality over a long period of time with consistent releases, you can apply that 'if' to any band in musical history that ever released a couple of very good albums and put them up there with The Stones, it wont wash though.
I understood this question as "if GN'R hadn't broken apart, could they have become the new Stones", not "if they hadn't broken apart AND been massively more talented" :D In my opinion the answer is yes to that first question. I feel the talent was so strong that they easily could have rivalled the Stones today. If they had only kept it together. So there is a small if, but still things to discuss.

Well if you were just answering the question of the thread then why did you quote my post, when you quote my post the presumption is you are addressing it specifically as opposed to just a plain answer to the question of the thread title.

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Rolling Stones didn't have that "I want to bury my last album" attitude, because those songs from the previous album were carried over into the next one, but by 1989, the Stones were already a part of history and living legends, GNR had a smash hit album but longevity was definitely not in the cards at that time.

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I can count with one hand the number of actually good Stones songs.

Wow! I normally agree with pretty much most of what you say but this is absurd. We're a trillion miles apart on this one. GnR alone has covered a handful of great Rolling Stones songs.

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I can count with one hand the number of actually good Stones songs.

Wow! I normally agree with pretty much most of what you say but this is absurd. We're a trillion miles apart on this one. GnR alone has covered a handful of great Rolling Stones songs.
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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.
But thats sort of an 'if my Auntie had bollocks' type of argument isnt it? The Stones didnt just have stamina and resilience, they also kept up a high level of quality over a long period of time with consistent releases, you can apply that 'if' to any band in musical history that ever released a couple of very good albums and put them up there with The Stones, it wont wash though.
I understood this question as "if GN'R hadn't broken apart, could they have become the new Stones", not "if they hadn't broken apart AND been massively more talented" :D In my opinion the answer is yes to that first question. I feel the talent was so strong that they easily could have rivalled the Stones today. If they had only kept it together. So there is a small if, but still things to discuss.

Well if you were just answering the question of the thread then why did you quote my post, when you quote my post the presumption is you are addressing it specifically as opposed to just a plain answer to the question of the thread title.

I wasn't just addressing the question in the first post. I addressed your opinion that GN'R could never have become the new Stones because they didn't have the required talent which in my opinion is negated by the very fact that AFD and UYI were tremendous sales successes, even more so than RS were with their first three records. So, if they had been able to keep it up, they would probably he even bigger than the Stones today.

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They had nothing like the wit, talent, style or even the correct musical sensibilities to be a Stones, The Stones are The Stones, in their particular thing they stand alone, there's no one to beat The Stones at what they do, least of all GnR. They're nowhere in the league of The Stones, on any level. And I ain't even that much of a Stones fan.

Based on reception of AFD and UYIs, and their sales, there is no doubt in my mind that if GN'R had continued to release great music like that, over as many decades as The Stones have, they would now be in the same league. Of course that didn't happen, because GN'R didn't have The Stones' stamina and resilience, but based on sales and popularity, I think they could have made it over time.
But thats sort of an 'if my Auntie had bollocks' type of argument isnt it? The Stones didnt just have stamina and resilience, they also kept up a high level of quality over a long period of time with consistent releases, you can apply that 'if' to any band in musical history that ever released a couple of very good albums and put them up there with The Stones, it wont wash though.
I understood this question as "if GN'R hadn't broken apart, could they have become the new Stones", not "if they hadn't broken apart AND been massively more talented" :D In my opinion the answer is yes to that first question. I feel the talent was so strong that they easily could have rivalled the Stones today. If they had only kept it together. So there is a small if, but still things to discuss.
Well if you were just answering the question of the thread then why did you quote my post, when you quote my post the presumption is you are addressing it specifically as opposed to just a plain answer to the question of the thread title.

I wasn't just addressing the question in the first post. I addressed your opinion that GN'R could never have become the new Stones because they didn't have the required talent which in my opinion is negated by the very fact that AFD and UYI were tremendous sales successes, even more so than RS were with their first three records. So, if they had been able to keep it up, they would probably he even bigger than the Stones today.

If sales were the yardstick of talent then Miley Cyrus would be up there with the best of em.

And once again, 'if they had been able to keep it up' is a massive if and the way i see it is the ones that do it deserve credit for what they did and the ones that didnt dont.

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GNR were controversial and had hit rock songs in the 90s like Stones were and did in the 60s and 70s. Maybe it didnt last as long, GNR went up in smoke like the Pistols. Thats kind of what they the band thought was cool. Only Axl want a more lasting career in my opinion.

There was this idea that GNR had taken over from the Stones or ACDC but those bands lasted and U2 too. But GNR had this mythology.

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GUNS material goes toe to toe with any other band other than IMO Pink Floyd and maybe the Doors, there is no sense in comparing longevity just look at what they produced in the time that they did and hardly anyone can touch them - it's irrelevant comparing the stones etc ---- stones are good but guns are better if you want to compare slices to slices

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GUNS material goes toe to toe with any other band other than IMO Pink Floyd and maybe the Doors, there is no sense in comparing longevity just look at what they produced in the time that they did and hardly anyone can touch them - it's irrelevant comparing the stones etc ---- stones are good but guns are better if you want to compare slices to slices

Slices to slices, Stones have Aftermath, Beggars, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile, Some Girls and Tattoo You which you could call ''truly great albums'' whereas Guns only really have Appetite.

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GUNS material goes toe to toe with any other band other than IMO Pink Floyd and maybe the Doors, there is no sense in comparing longevity just look at what they produced in the time that they did and hardly anyone can touch them - it's irrelevant comparing the stones etc ---- stones are good but guns are better if you want to compare slices to slices

Slices to slices, Stones have Aftermath, Beggars, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile, Some Girls and Tattoo You which you could call ''truly great albums'' whereas Guns only really have Appetite.

ummm lies to me is almost just as good as appetite

and if you may lets not compare album but handfuls of songs and in my opinion Guns may win by a whisker

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You cannot dare to speak of Guns N' Roses in the same sentence as The Rolling Stones. No comparison. No comparison worth making.

why?

Sympathy for the devil is better than the original. The original version is only good when you are in the mood for that. GNR version is universal

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