username05 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Did GNR fulfill their contract to interscope or are they still tied to them? At least 3 songs from the leaks are attributes to Black Frog, and could be a cause for dispute with future publishers. It's clear that legal battles with different sides took a lot of tole on Axl in 2000s...and wrecked havoc on any planning( I wouldn't be surprised if album was on hold from 2004 to 2006 simply because of legal limbo). I'm interested at what point is the band now? Since it would be a lot easier to anticipate what's about to happen. There has been plenty of times when axl or others were not allowed to discuss since legal proceedings were taking place. Dis anything change, and had any previous mystery been solved? Edited September 25, 2019 by username05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 UMG is the label. From my understanding they are still under contract that goes back to Geffen. It’s probably been renegotiated countless times through the years. There’s probably still an advance tied to a release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username05 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Creed said: dont think so. thats why beta and Fernando are managers and there is nobody who pushes him for a release of anything. That doesn't mean that there are no legal limits from previous contracts, or even worse...some songs might be left under contract with a 3rd party or whatever. If interscope was paying for CD sessions they probably keept some sort of rights to unpublished and published material. I wonder I'd axl managed to obtain all rights, or will inter dictate something with future publishing. Hence the Black frog note on CDs is ominous. Edited September 25, 2019 by username05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, username05 said: That doesn't mean that there are no legal limits from previous contracts, or even worse...some songs might be left under contract with a 3rd party or whatever. If interscope was paying for CD sessions they probably keept some sort of rights to unpublished and published material. I wonder I'd axl managed to obtain all rights, or will inter dictate something with future publishing. Hence the Black frog note on CDs is ominous. Publishing company is not the same as a record label. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I believe the contract is with Universal, they own Interscope 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said: I believe the contract is with Universal, they own Interscope Interscope Geffen A&M Records was established in 1999, following the PolyGramand MCA Music Entertainment merger (which created UMG). The label group was created by combining the MCA labels Interscope and Geffen Records with the PolyGram-owned A&M, which, at the time, became dormant. The label operated as one of the newly formed Universal Music Group's four umbrella companies, the other three being The Universal Motown Republic Group, Verve Records and The Island Def Jam Music Group.[1] As a result of the merger, a significant percentage of artists and bands were dropped from A&M and Geffen, and though both continued to exist as labels, 280 jobs were eliminated and A&M's Charlie Chaplin lotoffices were closed. The reorganization, expected to produce $300 million in savings annually, was described by the Los Angeles Times as underscoring the "changing economics and direction of the music business."[2][3] As independent labels, A&M and Geffen were revered and had achieved substantial commercial and artistic success. Both had been sold by their founders, however, and both had suffered from budget restraints and unproductive band signings over the previous years. At the time of the merger neither label had records in the Billboard Top 40 while Interscope had "defined the new sound of young America" with hit records from artists including Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Tupac Shakur, Nine Inch Nails, No Doubt, Limp Bizkit, and Bush, among others. Interscope co-founders Jimmy Iovine and Ted Field were named co-chairmen of IGA at its launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Also the above deal shelved Duff’s album Beautiful Disease when they dropped him This is a good lesson in publishing vs labels. Duff owned the rights to his publishing but not the actual recordings when the label dropped him. That’s why and how he ended up rerecording those Beautiful Disease songs for the first Loaded record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Creed said: dont think so. thats why beta and Fernando are managers and there is nobody who pushes him for a release of anything. LOL so funny yet so sadly TRUE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username05 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, guitarpatch said: Also the above deal shelved Duff’s album Beautiful Disease when they dropped him This is a good lesson in publishing vs labels. Duff owned the rights to his publishing but not the actual recordings when the label dropped him. That’s why and how he ended up rerecording those Beautiful Disease songs for the first Loaded record. that would make Interscope owner of all the Buckethead recordings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Yes, they are still with Interscope. https://www.interscope.com/artists/guns-n-roses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Creed said: but somehow they must have fullfilled the contract, cause i can not remember any pushing after the CD release. They haven’t fulfilled the contract. It’s why they can’t just release an album in the past or these demos on a whim. The contract is from the old industry model. They have prenegotiated advances for releases The marketing was a huge issue after the Best Buy deal. They essentially wiped their hands and provided no support once they got a check. Part of that was supposedly the reason why CDII never came. They wanted to see a plan from the label who wasn’t willing to sink costs/manpower on top of an advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, guitarpatch said: They haven’t fulfilled the contract. It’s why they can’t just release an album in the past or these demos on a whim. The contract is from the old industry model. They have prenegotiated advances for releases The marketing was a huge issue after the Best Buy deal. They essentially wiped their hands and provided no support once they got a check. Part of that was supposedly the reason why CDII never came. They wanted to see a plan from the label who wasn’t willing to sink costs/manpower on top of an advance. Can’t really blame the label too much other than the Bob Ezrin fiasco. They poured a fuck ton of money into that project and just wanted to recoup their investment. Best Buy probably got them back to even and they didn’t want to invest millions more on marketing after CD didn’t sell as well as expected. Now that Slash and Duff are back they are probably willing to invest in marketing again because sales and streams will be strong and a new release will also peak interest in the back catalog Edited September 25, 2019 by Arnuld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Arnuld said: Can’t really blame the label too much other than the Bob Ezrin fiasco. They poured a fuck ton of money into that project and just wanted to recoup their investment. Best Buy probably got them back to even and they didn’t want to invest millions more on marketing after CD didn’t sell as well as expected. Now that Slash and Duff are back they are probably willing to invest in marketing again because sales and streams will be strong and a new release will also peak interest in the back catalog It sold like any other major release at the time by 2008 standards. You also don’t spend/create a marketing budget after the initial wave. You do that months out. They never had a plan and wanted out from the beginning. There was no support from the label If it weren’t for Best Buy they’d sit on it and write off the losses for tax purposes every quarter. That’s how that project was viewed by 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 I'd guess any new release that is 100% new material from the current band will be released under their own label with a distribution deal with someone.... they are all about making money now so why not a record label too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, megaguns1982 said: I'd guess any new release that is 100% new material from the current band will be released under their own label with a distribution deal with someone.... they are all about making money now so why not a record label too? They might still be bound to an album (if not multi-album) contract with interscope/umg tho. Edited September 26, 2019 by rocknroll41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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